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		<title>By: JIM</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/03/28/condescension-and-leaving-political/#comment-312696</link>
		<dc:creator>JIM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 09:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush wasted trillions on a War in the FOG of Cheney antics.
It was all useless,  and caused no good, to America.
But, I am glad, Osama is ( DEAD ON ARRIVAl of SEAL T/ 6).
You seem bright, and a very good observer of the world.
Ron Paul seems to bug people, in select circles.
But, I wonder if so many are clueless whey so many IRAQ combat Vets support RON PAUL ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush wasted trillions on a War in the FOG of Cheney antics.<br />
It was all useless,  and caused no good, to America.<br />
But, I am glad, Osama is ( DEAD ON ARRIVAl of SEAL T/ 6).<br />
You seem bright, and a very good observer of the world.<br />
Ron Paul seems to bug people, in select circles.<br />
But, I wonder if so many are clueless whey so many IRAQ combat Vets support RON PAUL ??</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Conant</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/03/28/condescension-and-leaving-political/#comment-259424</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Conant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I did and mostly I found a litany of tired red herrings used by folks who, rather than critiquing and critically assessing, are content to ridicule someone who is.  For example:   “America has been very good to you, Joe. If you like Russia so much, why don’t you just move there?”

To which I might well reply to the neo-cons today (who, by the way are mostly bigoted, white, and well-off):  &quot;This is America today, love it or leave it.&quot;  

As though a trite litany of the mindless euphemisms employed by the reactionaries of my youth (those mostly distraught by the passage of the Voting Rights and Civil Rights Acts) are really useful in any analysis.  But, perhaps you learned otherwise in your family counseling classes...

My suggestion would be that you engage in a disciplined analysis of your discourse and from there attempt to employ some dialectical discursive analysis.  But, like most neo-cons and neo-con apologists, I rather suspect you won&#039;t... :-)

P.s.  I&#039;m posting this dialogue to my Facebook account for the amusement of my FB friends from across the political spectrum -- Hope you don&#039;t mind... lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I did and mostly I found a litany of tired red herrings used by folks who, rather than critiquing and critically assessing, are content to ridicule someone who is.  For example:   “America has been very good to you, Joe. If you like Russia so much, why don’t you just move there?”</p>
<p>To which I might well reply to the neo-cons today (who, by the way are mostly bigoted, white, and well-off):  &#8220;This is America today, love it or leave it.&#8221;  </p>
<p>As though a trite litany of the mindless euphemisms employed by the reactionaries of my youth (those mostly distraught by the passage of the Voting Rights and Civil Rights Acts) are really useful in any analysis.  But, perhaps you learned otherwise in your family counseling classes&#8230;</p>
<p>My suggestion would be that you engage in a disciplined analysis of your discourse and from there attempt to employ some dialectical discursive analysis.  But, like most neo-cons and neo-con apologists, I rather suspect you won&#8217;t&#8230; <img src='http://neoneocon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>P.s.  I&#8217;m posting this dialogue to my Facebook account for the amusement of my FB friends from across the political spectrum &#8212; Hope you don&#8217;t mind&#8230; lol</p>
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		<title>By: neo-neocon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/03/28/condescension-and-leaving-political/#comment-259423</link>
		<dc:creator>neo-neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roy Conant: well, I guess you didn&#039;t look very hard.

On the right sidebar, under &quot;categories,&quot; the very first one is called &quot;A mind is a difficult thing to change: my change story.&quot;  &lt;a href=&quot;http://neoneocon.com/category/a-mind-is-a-difficult-thing-to-change/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Click on it&lt;/a&gt;, scroll down to the bottom, and start reading the explanatory tome in chronological order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy Conant: well, I guess you didn&#8217;t look very hard.</p>
<p>On the right sidebar, under &#8220;categories,&#8221; the very first one is called &#8220;A mind is a difficult thing to change: my change story.&#8221;  <a href="http://neoneocon.com/category/a-mind-is-a-difficult-thing-to-change/" rel="nofollow">Click on it</a>, scroll down to the bottom, and start reading the explanatory tome in chronological order.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Conant</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/03/28/condescension-and-leaving-political/#comment-259420</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Conant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny how one side castigates the other for essentially irrational and inexplicable political beliefs.  While asserting you have left the fold and have been ostracized, you provide no concrete analysis of the events and circumstances of your conversion.  Can it be your conversion was motivated by an inability to articulate and rationalize a discomfitting cognitive dissonance between who you really are and who you professed to be?

If so, welcome to the world of the neo-cons whose bluster and bravado, loneliness, and inability to find or embrace innovative solutions to persistent problems cause them to solve their social/political schizophrenia by finding common cause with   subsuming themselves in the quaking jelly of fearful reactionaries whose solutions lie in a mythically ideal and non-existent past.

When I began reading your blog about becoming a neo-neocon, I thought I might find a disciplined dialectic....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny how one side castigates the other for essentially irrational and inexplicable political beliefs.  While asserting you have left the fold and have been ostracized, you provide no concrete analysis of the events and circumstances of your conversion.  Can it be your conversion was motivated by an inability to articulate and rationalize a discomfitting cognitive dissonance between who you really are and who you professed to be?</p>
<p>If so, welcome to the world of the neo-cons whose bluster and bravado, loneliness, and inability to find or embrace innovative solutions to persistent problems cause them to solve their social/political schizophrenia by finding common cause with   subsuming themselves in the quaking jelly of fearful reactionaries whose solutions lie in a mythically ideal and non-existent past.</p>
<p>When I began reading your blog about becoming a neo-neocon, I thought I might find a disciplined dialectic&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: John Romeo</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/03/28/condescension-and-leaving-political/#comment-249995</link>
		<dc:creator>John Romeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 14:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An Individual changes sides only when they act against their own best interest. Everyone is on a different side of most issues. Left and Right are narratives of grouping. We the people are each sovereign nations of one. 

We have a constitution because we disagree, not because we agree. If you read the constitution you will not see one word in the document about political parties; left or right; conservative or liberal.

This is because we are all on one side: The side of individual liberty. Therefore, with respect to politics, I am only on the side of a constitutional government limits power.

Since Presidents, members of Congress, and Judges all swear to uphold the constitution and don&#039;t, make them all Benedict Arnolds. Changing your view makes you a good American. Forcing your view on others is tyranny.

Is your friend a friend when they want to force you to accept the government takeover of the banks, GM and Healthcare and trillions of dollars of debt. A wise old line from a blues song says, &quot;If you watch your good friends real carefully your enemies can&#039;t do you no harm.&quot;

John Romeo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An Individual changes sides only when they act against their own best interest. Everyone is on a different side of most issues. Left and Right are narratives of grouping. We the people are each sovereign nations of one. </p>
<p>We have a constitution because we disagree, not because we agree. If you read the constitution you will not see one word in the document about political parties; left or right; conservative or liberal.</p>
<p>This is because we are all on one side: The side of individual liberty. Therefore, with respect to politics, I am only on the side of a constitutional government limits power.</p>
<p>Since Presidents, members of Congress, and Judges all swear to uphold the constitution and don&#8217;t, make them all Benedict Arnolds. Changing your view makes you a good American. Forcing your view on others is tyranny.</p>
<p>Is your friend a friend when they want to force you to accept the government takeover of the banks, GM and Healthcare and trillions of dollars of debt. A wise old line from a blues song says, &#8220;If you watch your good friends real carefully your enemies can&#8217;t do you no harm.&#8221;</p>
<p>John Romeo</p>
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		<title>By: South San Diego</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/03/28/condescension-and-leaving-political/#comment-247965</link>
		<dc:creator>South San Diego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 07:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I can do &lt;b&gt;bold lettering&lt;/b&gt; too!  Hahahahahaha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I can do <b>bold lettering</b> too!  Hahahahahaha.</p>
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		<title>By: South San Diego</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/03/28/condescension-and-leaving-political/#comment-247961</link>
		<dc:creator>South San Diego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 07:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Commissars?  Hahahahahaha.  Red-baiting is so 20th century! Dude, the Modern Era ended with the Cold War. Now why on Earth would we listen to you, the &quot;powers that be&quot;, the SEIU fossils, or the North Koreans who constitute the oppressor class? Some self-reflective speculation there, Ymarsaker!

We are the free workers - you see us in the Solidarność movement against the Communists, in the streets of Seattle against the corporatists, in kibbutzes and anarchist collectives, in womens/worker/immigrant cooperatives.  We make decentralizing (and yes, money-making) tools like Facebook, Twitter, and the blog system that you use.

We simply tire of middle-class neo-Modernists prancing around our neighborhoods pretending to know us better than we do, beating us upside the head with ideology... and irresponsibly retreat to their comfortable worlds while we clean up their mess. If any ax-grinding is gonna take place today, this surely would be the most obvious.

We are young, glib, versatile, multilingual, ideologically flexible, and rightfully pissed off about the irresponsible Boomers (both hippies and teabaggers) who continue to hog the microphone and want to turn my century into another ideological fight.

Look you of the upper/middle classes: we hold you in high regard and enjoy you... but we don&#039;t trust you. Nothing personal... we learn from experience. Stop consuming us to validate yourselves. And pay attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commissars?  Hahahahahaha.  Red-baiting is so 20th century! Dude, the Modern Era ended with the Cold War. Now why on Earth would we listen to you, the &#8220;powers that be&#8221;, the SEIU fossils, or the North Koreans who constitute the oppressor class? Some self-reflective speculation there, Ymarsaker!</p>
<p>We are the free workers &#8211; you see us in the Solidarność movement against the Communists, in the streets of Seattle against the corporatists, in kibbutzes and anarchist collectives, in womens/worker/immigrant cooperatives.  We make decentralizing (and yes, money-making) tools like Facebook, Twitter, and the blog system that you use.</p>
<p>We simply tire of middle-class neo-Modernists prancing around our neighborhoods pretending to know us better than we do, beating us upside the head with ideology&#8230; and irresponsibly retreat to their comfortable worlds while we clean up their mess. If any ax-grinding is gonna take place today, this surely would be the most obvious.</p>
<p>We are young, glib, versatile, multilingual, ideologically flexible, and rightfully pissed off about the irresponsible Boomers (both hippies and teabaggers) who continue to hog the microphone and want to turn my century into another ideological fight.</p>
<p>Look you of the upper/middle classes: we hold you in high regard and enjoy you&#8230; but we don&#8217;t trust you. Nothing personal&#8230; we learn from experience. Stop consuming us to validate yourselves. And pay attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/03/28/condescension-and-leaving-political/#comment-247699</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 01:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;I made the switch over to the Green/P&amp;F parties, despite the annoying middle class Boomers at their helms.&lt;/b&gt;

Basically that&#039;s the definition of a useful idiot/tool. He does what he is told to by the powers that be. When they give the order, he&#039;ll go on his supposed &quot;war&quot; rampage, but the goal will be decided by the Leftist commanders and commissars, not the blue collar drones and cannon fodder.

Well, the Left tends to recruit such in spades. Maybe they&#039;ll even make use of them, when SEIU needs more bodies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I made the switch over to the Green/P&amp;F parties, despite the annoying middle class Boomers at their helms.</b></p>
<p>Basically that&#8217;s the definition of a useful idiot/tool. He does what he is told to by the powers that be. When they give the order, he&#8217;ll go on his supposed &#8220;war&#8221; rampage, but the goal will be decided by the Leftist commanders and commissars, not the blue collar drones and cannon fodder.</p>
<p>Well, the Left tends to recruit such in spades. Maybe they&#8217;ll even make use of them, when SEIU needs more bodies.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/03/28/condescension-and-leaving-political/#comment-247698</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 01:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So basically SSD wants to force people to die for no reason like he believes neocons forced people to volunteer for Gulf War 1.

What kind of North Korean brainwashing is required for this one again?

It&#039;s why people with an axe to grind aren&#039;t given positions of authority. They can&#039;t be trusted to wipe themselves after. Hygiene issue.

&lt;b&gt;Neocons will pay.&lt;/b&gt;

When it comes to real war, you&#039;ll be the first one they pick off. You&#039;ll be singing a different tune then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So basically SSD wants to force people to die for no reason like he believes neocons forced people to volunteer for Gulf War 1.</p>
<p>What kind of North Korean brainwashing is required for this one again?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s why people with an axe to grind aren&#8217;t given positions of authority. They can&#8217;t be trusted to wipe themselves after. Hygiene issue.</p>
<p><b>Neocons will pay.</b></p>
<p>When it comes to real war, you&#8217;ll be the first one they pick off. You&#8217;ll be singing a different tune then.</p>
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		<title>By: South San Diego</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/03/28/condescension-and-leaving-political/#comment-247689</link>
		<dc:creator>South San Diego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 01:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing: you underestimate the power of class-allegiance. We will never trust the bourgeoisie, even if we&#039;re in it. Left or right, you&#039;re still the class enemy. So your &quot;courageous&quot; transformation to a neocon comes as no surprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing: you underestimate the power of class-allegiance. We will never trust the bourgeoisie, even if we&#8217;re in it. Left or right, you&#8217;re still the class enemy. So your &#8220;courageous&#8221; transformation to a neocon comes as no surprise.</p>
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