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		<title>By: armchair pessimist</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/07/29/imagology-vs-reality/#comment-111841</link>
		<dc:creator>armchair pessimist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 16:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Others who know more please correct me if I err here, but the population of Eastern Europe seem to have stronger ties to that continent  than the rest of us.  Perhaps 45 years in the red  nuthouse gave them their sanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Others who know more please correct me if I err here, but the population of Eastern Europe seem to have stronger ties to that continent  than the rest of us.  Perhaps 45 years in the red  nuthouse gave them their sanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Nolanimrod</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/07/29/imagology-vs-reality/#comment-111833</link>
		<dc:creator>Nolanimrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 14:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerard - outstanding exegesis!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerard &#8211; outstanding exegesis!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/07/29/imagology-vs-reality/#comment-2821</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you love impala then you&#039;ll love my web site &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://www.carsnet.com&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;impala&lt;/A&gt;. I&#039;ve been involved with impala since 1960 and my impala web site has been up since 1995. If you love impala you need to check it out. Thanks for letting me post on your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you love impala then you&#8217;ll love my web site <a HREF="http://www.carsnet.com" REL="nofollow">impala</a>. I&#8217;ve been involved with impala since 1960 and my impala web site has been up since 1995. If you love impala you need to check it out. Thanks for letting me post on your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: neoliberal</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/07/29/imagology-vs-reality/#comment-2822</link>
		<dc:creator>neoliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There seems to me to be a danger in assuming that our &#039;Western&#039; media machines are less likely to indulge in imagological manipulation than those of the imagined terrorist nations. CNN seems a prime candidate for close scrutiny if you ask me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to me to be a danger in assuming that our &#8216;Western&#8217; media machines are less likely to indulge in imagological manipulation than those of the imagined terrorist nations. CNN seems a prime candidate for close scrutiny if you ask me.</p>
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		<title>By: gumshoe</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/07/29/imagology-vs-reality/#comment-2823</link>
		<dc:creator>gumshoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As for blogs replacing the MSM, please give us a ring when 95% of the blogosphere does not reference items in that very same MSM.&quot;&lt;BR/&gt;-Anonymous&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;methinks you exaggerate.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;it&#039;s not so much replacing the MSM&lt;BR/&gt;as having a Watch Dog&lt;BR/&gt;(not a Lap Dog,not an Attack Dog)&lt;BR/&gt;regard their once private and pristine domain.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;as McLuhan noted...&lt;BR/&gt;new technologies throw a &lt;BR/&gt;very bright light on the old,&lt;BR/&gt;an reveal them in startlingly &lt;BR/&gt;new ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As for blogs replacing the MSM, please give us a ring when 95% of the blogosphere does not reference items in that very same MSM.&#8221;<br />-Anonymous</p>
<p>methinks you exaggerate.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s not so much replacing the MSM<br />as having a Watch Dog<br />(not a Lap Dog,not an Attack Dog)<br />regard their once private and pristine domain.</p>
<p>as McLuhan noted&#8230;<br />new technologies throw a <br />very bright light on the old,<br />an reveal them in startlingly <br />new ways.</p>
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		<title>By: E.M.H.</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/07/29/imagology-vs-reality/#comment-2824</link>
		<dc:creator>E.M.H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, dear God everyone, I posted this under the wrong story. I&#039;m very sorry. The previous post was supposed to go under the profiling post Neo Neo made.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;My apologies, everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, dear God everyone, I posted this under the wrong story. I&#8217;m very sorry. The previous post was supposed to go under the profiling post Neo Neo made.</p>
<p>My apologies, everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: E.M.H.</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/07/29/imagology-vs-reality/#comment-2825</link>
		<dc:creator>E.M.H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think many folks should remember the Israeli&#039;s attitude: Profiling is the first step that leads to questioning and further investigation; in and of itself it is not an accusation of guilt. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But I admit, I am concerned about misuse. For example, profiling should not be used in any way other than determining who needs to be questioned in pre-emptive security procedures (such as pre-boarding inspections at airports). That, in my opinion, is proper use for profiling. I do worry about using profiling in place of actual gathering of evidence once a suspect is apprehended. I&#039;m also worried about using profiling to bias opinion towards guilt in an otherwise neutral act. But that can be safeguarded against. I think those are reasonable questions to ask regarding any profiling plan, and can also be the basis for constructing checks against misuse of profiling, but I do not see them as being arguments for avoiding it altogether.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I do admit that I found the contra opinion to profiling to be excessive at times. I remember taking a journalism class in college quite a while ago (back in &#039;89, 90, thereabouts). It had a computer simulator for practicing interviewing. You were given a situation, then selected from a list who to question first (the bystander, the police officer, etc.), then selected from another list the questions to ask (&quot;What happened?&quot; &quot;When did this happen?&quot; etc.). There was one question &quot;Was he white, black&quot; or somesuch... the answer you got was &quot;human being&quot;, then the person you were questioning would &quot;refuse to talk&quot; any further, simulating offense to your question. And that was a setup for a lecture about assuming guilt based on race, and how you should avoid asking any questions that can be construed as asking after a person&#039;s racial characteristics. On the one hand, I understand the concern about assuming guilt based on anything other than hard evidence of a crime, but on the other hand, skin color and race are as much objective descriptions as height and clothing are. I asked if it was really inexcuseable to ask (the answer predictably was &quot;yes&quot;), but what I took away from that class was not an aversion to asking after race, but rather an opinion that the school as well as the teacher were less trying to teach and more trying to program that any racial questions have racist origins. And now to today: Avoiding the issue of racial characteristics of terrorists is sort of ignoring hard, factual details regarding the reality behind who terrorists are, but it seems as though a whole generation of people have had the &quot;any racial question is racism&quot; hammered into them and therefore don&#039;t confront the reality of the situation. And that&#039;s a shame. It seems as though we&#039;re purposefully hobbling ourselves by holding this attitude. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I agree with Neo here. Yes, not all terrorists fit the profile. Yes, not all young Muslim males are terrorists. Yes, not all who fit the profile are terrorists. But,it&#039;s crazy to ignore the correlation. And I say that as a young S.E. asian male with roots on an island (Mindanao, Philippines) known for having a muslim insurgency, which puts me smack dab in the middle of that stupid profile. &lt;B&gt;I&lt;/B&gt; don&#039;t like brining extra scrutiny down on myself, but even &lt;B&gt;I&lt;/B&gt; can&#039;t deny that the profile is a useful tool for determining who gets extra scrutiny. It&#039;s a choice between being insulted and being blown up; I&#039;ll take bruised dignity any day over the alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think many folks should remember the Israeli&#8217;s attitude: Profiling is the first step that leads to questioning and further investigation; in and of itself it is not an accusation of guilt. </p>
<p>But I admit, I am concerned about misuse. For example, profiling should not be used in any way other than determining who needs to be questioned in pre-emptive security procedures (such as pre-boarding inspections at airports). That, in my opinion, is proper use for profiling. I do worry about using profiling in place of actual gathering of evidence once a suspect is apprehended. I&#8217;m also worried about using profiling to bias opinion towards guilt in an otherwise neutral act. But that can be safeguarded against. I think those are reasonable questions to ask regarding any profiling plan, and can also be the basis for constructing checks against misuse of profiling, but I do not see them as being arguments for avoiding it altogether.</p>
<p>I do admit that I found the contra opinion to profiling to be excessive at times. I remember taking a journalism class in college quite a while ago (back in &#8217;89, 90, thereabouts). It had a computer simulator for practicing interviewing. You were given a situation, then selected from a list who to question first (the bystander, the police officer, etc.), then selected from another list the questions to ask (&#8220;What happened?&#8221; &#8220;When did this happen?&#8221; etc.). There was one question &#8220;Was he white, black&#8221; or somesuch&#8230; the answer you got was &#8220;human being&#8221;, then the person you were questioning would &#8220;refuse to talk&#8221; any further, simulating offense to your question. And that was a setup for a lecture about assuming guilt based on race, and how you should avoid asking any questions that can be construed as asking after a person&#8217;s racial characteristics. On the one hand, I understand the concern about assuming guilt based on anything other than hard evidence of a crime, but on the other hand, skin color and race are as much objective descriptions as height and clothing are. I asked if it was really inexcuseable to ask (the answer predictably was &#8220;yes&#8221;), but what I took away from that class was not an aversion to asking after race, but rather an opinion that the school as well as the teacher were less trying to teach and more trying to program that any racial questions have racist origins. And now to today: Avoiding the issue of racial characteristics of terrorists is sort of ignoring hard, factual details regarding the reality behind who terrorists are, but it seems as though a whole generation of people have had the &#8220;any racial question is racism&#8221; hammered into them and therefore don&#8217;t confront the reality of the situation. And that&#8217;s a shame. It seems as though we&#8217;re purposefully hobbling ourselves by holding this attitude. </p>
<p>I agree with Neo here. Yes, not all terrorists fit the profile. Yes, not all young Muslim males are terrorists. Yes, not all who fit the profile are terrorists. But,it&#8217;s crazy to ignore the correlation. And I say that as a young S.E. asian male with roots on an island (Mindanao, Philippines) known for having a muslim insurgency, which puts me smack dab in the middle of that stupid profile. <b>I</b> don&#8217;t like brining extra scrutiny down on myself, but even <b>I</b> can&#8217;t deny that the profile is a useful tool for determining who gets extra scrutiny. It&#8217;s a choice between being insulted and being blown up; I&#8217;ll take bruised dignity any day over the alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/07/29/imagology-vs-reality/#comment-2826</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike the communists referenced in Kundera, Al-Jazeera does not fabricate the imagery they use for propaganda; it is actual war footage.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Is that not a momentous distinction?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;As for blogs replacing the MSM, please give us a ring when 95% of the blogosphere does not reference items in that very same MSM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike the communists referenced in Kundera, Al-Jazeera does not fabricate the imagery they use for propaganda; it is actual war footage.</p>
<p>Is that not a momentous distinction?</p>
<p>As for blogs replacing the MSM, please give us a ring when 95% of the blogosphere does not reference items in that very same MSM.</p>
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		<title>By: Dymphna</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/07/29/imagology-vs-reality/#comment-2827</link>
		<dc:creator>Dymphna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Olivia1, I agree...that&#039;s why I like Michael Yon so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Olivia1, I agree&#8230;that&#8217;s why I like Michael Yon so much.</p>
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		<title>By: olivia1</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/07/29/imagology-vs-reality/#comment-2828</link>
		<dc:creator>olivia1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first person immediacy of news reporting blogs will hopefully get us closer to the grandmother&#039;s world...but, of course, only for those of us who care and have the time to read them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first person immediacy of news reporting blogs will hopefully get us closer to the grandmother&#8217;s world&#8230;but, of course, only for those of us who care and have the time to read them.</p>
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