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  1. David. Your point about statusism is interesting. If you are right, even to a partial extent, it would be depressing, because that says very sad things about the intellectual and emotional maturity of the folks in question.

    While my life is only one life and thus my encounters amount to a small sample, they agree with your point.
    Too bad.

  2. I think that modern “progressivism” is, to a very substantial extent, a status marker rather than a coherent set of ideas. Status-hungry NYT readers get the products they think will mark them properly from the ads in the NYT magazine, and the opinions serving the same function from the news and editiorial pages.

  3. This post reminds me of an old anecdote I once heard:

    A republican candidate was campaigning in the Old South (back when it was staunchly democratic).

    At one stop, every time he paused in his speech, an old timer would interrupt to proclaim loudly:

    “My granpappy was a demmycrat, my pappy was a demmycrat, an’ I’m a demmycrat”

    After a few instances of this, the politician grew exasperated and said to the old timer:

    “Well let me ask you this, sir: if your granpappy was a republican, and your pappy was a republican, what would that make you?”

    “A jackass!!!”

    UB

  4. For me it was the systemic, almost ritual abrogation of individual responsibility foisted by Liberals that drove me further and further to the Right. When it became apparent that islamic terrorism was directed at all of Western civilization, the same ideology that generally refuses to hold individuals accountable for their actions became in my mind somewhat of a menace to our collective well being.

  5. I have gone through a similar process of re-defining my political identity over the last few years, although the distance I travelled from liberalism to conservatism seems shorter than what you describe.

    The road to from liberal to conservative thinking, has many lanes: foreign policy, social issues, economics, others.

    I find that some people that grew up in a liberally-minded household may become more conservative over time on one or two of these areas, but not all.

    Most people with a liberal background don’t end up living in a cabin in Montana; they tend to became centre or right of centre and they may still retain some liberal attitudes.

  6. The religion issue is probably accurate, but I don’t think any of you have gone far enough.

    Politics has been the religion of intellectuals throughout my lifetime… doesn’t matter whether they are liberals or conservatives.

    Even on this blog, the belief that politics can achieve what people once looked for in religious belief prevails.

    The denial of the spiritual, non-intellectual side of humans and the elevation of the purportedly logical side is now a global phenomenon of the over-educated modern person.

    Witness the gay marriage debate. Here we can see the epitome of the elevation of “reasoned” argument over tradition and faith. The argument that “it’s just plain wrong and crazy” or “that it violates the will of God” marks one as a yokel.

    Both sides embrace politics as religion.

  7. As long as Liberalism continues down the totalitarian Road to Serfdom, I will reject such tyranny.

    After re-reading “Radical Son”, I understand why Horowitz embraced such transformation. I believe what separates us are not political parties, ie Republican or Democrat, but are the ideals of Equality vs Liberty which separate us.

    Liberalism believes Equality leads to a just and free society, whereas Conservatism believes Liberty leads to a just and free society.

    Clearly Horowitz saw the resulting influence of Liberalism is that
    Equality inevitably leads to Collective Serfdom whereas Liberty leads to Individual Freedom.

    When we attempt to Equalize everyone we subject them to tyranny under Collective group-think which ultimately destroys the foundation of Liberty.

  8. The abity to change and adapt to circumstances set homo sapiens apart from the rest if creation. My identity grows as well as changes, but the core of me remains essentially the same.

  9. Much better to let the whole edifice remain in place

    Yes, we liberals do feel Western Civilization should remain in place, free and unafraid.

    After all, we invented it.

  10. The title and theme of your essay captures the essence of Nathaniel Hawthorne’s “The Birth-Mark.” (www.bioethics.gov/ bookshelf/birthmark.html). In that story, the scientist husband becomes obsessed with removing a small birthmark from his wife’s face. However, in removing the birthmark, the scientist ends up killing his otherwise perfect wife. From the story: “As the last crimson tint of the birthmark – that sole token of human imperfection – faded from her cheek, the parting breath of the now perfect woman passed into the atmosphere, and her soul, lingering a moment near her husband, took its heavenward flight.”

    I would assume that Zell Miller feels the same way.

  11. David Horowitz has written of Liberalism as a Cause. And liberals see themselves as the transformational figures, the center of this Cause. (Here is his profile of Hillary Clinton: http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=18) The attaining of a utopia with Liberals as the paternalistic keepers of this society is the goal. As mentioned by several above, to give up the Cause is to give up on this political gospel entirely and to reduce themselves to the level of the normal people they now try to save.

    Most Conservatives I know are more concerned with practical solutions that work within the framework of the known world- not changing that known world entirely. Perhaps the “Neocon” goal of spreading Democracy would then be labeled a Cause by Liberals, but Neocons see it as the only rational response to the world today. And the emphasis is not the Neocons themselves, but the results that are attained.

  12. My in laws are far more conservative than I am. Lifelong Democrats. A large chunk of the union members I’ve worked with in my life are more conservative than I am (especially regarding homosexuality). Lifelong Democrats. I consider myself as liberal now as I was when I was a “lifelong Democrat” and during my nine years in the AF. I’m probably considered conservative now, though my beliefs haven’t changed at all. I’m now a registered Republican (wanted to vote for Arnie). It’s the “conservative, Republican Christians” that I hang out with who seem to have more tolerance towards homosexuality than the secular (or agnostic) Democrats I’ve known (oh, and the religious Democrats).

    Topsy turvey world, the conservative listens to NPR and his Democrat partner (work partner) listens to Rush Limbaugh.

    Kalroy

  13. For Boomers, and perhaps others, liberalism was also a fashion identity. I would accuse few of having their political beliefs for coolness alone, but I think it is a partial reason for almost every liberal. As evidence I would cite 1) the overwhelming percentage of people who make their living by entertainment and fashion are liberal; 2) the frequency with which socially disparaging comments are made about conservatives, focussing on those “yahoos” who follow NASCAR and listen to country music. Sarah Stillman’s screed in HuffPo, for one example, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
    sarah-stillman/whatas-up-with-
    airport-_b_4877.html*
    mentions the uncool clothes, as do several of the commenters. Mark Steyn has compared Maureen Dowd to a Queen of Snark high school girl who passes judgement on the cool and uncool (makes a damning case, too); 3) the similar description given by George Orwell, C.S. Lewis, T.S. Eliot, and Malcolm Muggeridge of socialists in the 1940’s; and 4) The argument by sneer and condescension, which are elements of social pressure, rather than intellectual arguments put forth when one leaves the fold.

    To leave liberalism thus means becoming one of “them,” though one can become apolitical and escape altogether.

    * two spaces inserted in the link for readability, the first between .com/ and sarah, the second between with- and airport. Sorry.

  14. LIberal means good; conservative means bad.

    But, there is something else. To abandon an ideology is to lose your map of the world, and the world becomes chaos, with you adrift and feeling helpless in it. To cling to an ideology is to stay in the comfort and safety of having a map. Even if the map is wrong it is comforting to have it. All things can be explained because all things are clearly shown on the map.

    That is why it is so painful to switch ideologies. You go into very dangerous, chaotic, unknown territory. What to do? Grab the map of your enemies? Does Michael Moore transform from wise guide to fool? while Mark Styne switches from evil deceiver to wise guide? Yes, eventually, but it takes courage, and time.

  15. Is it easier to go from liberal to conservative than the reverse? seems there has been quite a few who made the move like neo-neocon but i have not encountered many who done the opposite.

  16. Liberals are pretty rare these days. For example, the following people are leftists, not liberals, in the US sense: George Galloway, Jane Fonda, Helena Cobban, Justin Raimondo, Cindy Sheehan. Neither is Christopher Hitchens a liberal. I consider myself a paleo-liberal since I support Universal health care (or single-payer) and some affirmative action for the descendants of slaves. On the other hand I am adamantly opposed to Islamofascism and the more extreme forms of multi-culturism (often criticized on the Frontpage website, which is otherwise too Republican for my tastes).

    People like neo and myself reject the left because of its paranoia, its vindictive and hateful anti-Americanism, the offensive and silly GLBTQA rules (see this Frontpage article. That doesn’t mean you aren’t still a Liberal in some sense.

    Think about it, the current US medical system is the most expensive in the world yet you can lose your coverage if you lose your job. Your children lose their medical coverage! True conservatives think that too much medical coverage is the problem — yet most people know that the problem is too little.

    The left has embraced the terrorist movement in a sort of replay of the Hitler-Stalin pact, and people of decency jump ship. The left is even absorbing some of the anti-Semitism of the Islamofascists. There was a Hamas leader named Yassin whose primary claim to fame and lifes work was persuading teenagers to commit suicide and murder. When the Israelis, in self-defense, killed him, the left complained and were outraged since Yassin was in a wheelchair and provided healthcare to people. Well, the Pentagon provides a lot of healthcare, too. People of decency, like many liberals, are repelled by the left’s support of terrorism.

    I think you push the group-identity theme a bit too far. Many people who’ve left the left (!) weren’t members of organizations they could quit and didn’t join any new ones, the just shifted their ideas based on what they saw, read, and heard about.

    There’s a word for nearly-a-religion and that’s “Ideology”. The liberal and left have a wide nearly all -encompassing ideology. I think the word religion implies worship. And I don’t think it’s psychologically the same unless you’re a Unitarian, maybe. The stress and dissonance involved in believing in a caring diety in this culture makes for a difference. Also, religion usually involves some self-restraint, and that is a taboo in Western society. Especially sexual self-restraint. So I think there’s a difference. But the idea of the left/liberal side of things being “Like” a religion in an emotional/psychological way is basically right.

    Some conservatives separate religious ideas from politics but some don’t. I know some very religious people who say they always vote Democrat.

    Being violently opposed to the people who suicided airliners into the World Trade Center doesn’t mean you can’t be a liberal, it means you can’t be a leftist.

  17. Liberals are pretty rare these days. For example, the following people are leftists, not liberals, in the US sense: George Galloway, Jane Fonda, Helena Cobban, Justin Raimondo, Cindy Sheehan. Neither is Christopher Hitchens a liberal. I consider myself a paleo-liberal since I support Universal health care (or single-payer) and some affirmative action for the descendants of slaves. On the other hand I am adamantly opposed to Islamofascism and the more extreme forms of multi-culturism (often criticized on the Frontpage website, which is otherwise too Republican for my tastes).

    People like neo and myself reject the left because of its paranoia, its vindictive and hateful anti-Americanism, the offensive and silly GLBTQA rules (see this Frontpage article. That doesn’t mean you aren’t still a Liberal in some sense.

    Think about it, the current US medical system is the most expensive in the world yet you can lose your coverage if you lose your job. Your children lose their medical coverage! True conservatives think that too much medical coverage is the problem — yet most people know that the problem is too little.

    The left has embraced the terrorist movement in a sort of replay of the Hitler-Stalin pact, and people of decency jump ship. The left is even absorbing some of the anti-Semitism of the Islamofascists. There was a Hamas leader named Yassin whose primary claim to fame and lifes work was persuading teenagers to commit suicide and murder. When the Israelis, in self-defense, killed him, the left complained and were outraged since Yassin was in a wheelchair and provided healthcare to people. Well, the Pentagon provides a lot of healthcare, too. People of decency, like many liberals, are repelled by the left’s support of terrorism.

    I think you push the group-identity theme a bit too far. Many people who’ve left the left (!) weren’t members of organizations they could quit and didn’t join any new ones, the just shifted their ideas based on what they saw, read, and heard about.

    There’s a word for nearly-a-religion and that’s “Ideology”. The liberal and left have a wide nearly all -encompassing ideology. I think the word religion implies worship. And I don’t think it’s psychologically the same unless you’re a Unitarian, maybe. The stress and dissonance involved in believing in a caring diety in this culture makes for a difference. Also, religion usually involves some self-restraint, and that is a taboo in Western society. Especially sexual self-restraint. So I think there’s a difference. But the idea of the left/liberal side of things being “Like” a religion in an emotional/psychological way is basically right.

    Some conservatives separate religious ideas from politics but some don’t. I know some very religious people who say they always vote Democrat.

    Being violently opposed to the people who suicided airliners into the World Trade Center doesn’t mean you can’t be a liberal, it means you can’t be a leftist.

  18. Brad. Disagree.

    We are constantly told by our religions that we must be MORE brave, compassionate, and so forth. The implication is that we are inadequate in those areas.

    Liberal/progressives believe they have a surfeit of the virtues without having to work at it.

    Even if those virtues are the same–truth in labelling alert–their manifestation by individuals differs substantially.

  19. Neo quoted: “Memberships in organizations or collectives that serve as reference groups are typically emphasized as integral to the process of identity formation.”

    Might this be the source of much of the hostility towards traditional organizations (like the Boy Scouts or non-political women’s groups, etc) that is demonstrated by the Left?

    Richard,
    You are right that “humility” is absent from the Left; however, despite that specific difference I think Larry’s comparison to traditional religion is absolutely valid. The difference is probably related to what Neo lists as the qualities associated with progressiveness (“goodness, kindness, lack of bigotry, intelligence”). Note that the first three examples can easily be correlated to religious virtues (and could engender humility), whereas the last one is unrelated to religion and may be the source of arrogance.

  20. This reminds me of Thomas Sowell’s differentiation of the contrained vision vs. the utopian vision. For many people, I think that abandoning the constrained vision would actually come as a relief, whereas abandoning the utopian vision is tantamount to giving up all hope for humanity

  21. Some of my liberal friends have adjusted some of their beliefs under the pressure of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, so that in the end they and I see particular issues in the same way. Welfare reform is an example. Political correctness is another. But, interestingly, this agreement fails to heal the division between us, because these liberal friends (or former friends) insist that if I haven’t suffered through the same process of resistance and reluctance to come to terms with these uncomfortable truths that they have, then we really don’t see eye to eye at all. Far from being credited with farsightedness, I’m seen as having reached the right conclusions for the wrong reasons.

  22. I dunno, Larry. Most religions promote humility about as zealously as Marine Corps Drill Instructors dealing with rookies.

    Humility is not a visible characteristic of many liberal/progressives. I think this is neo’s point, although she can speak for herself.

  23. Neo: That’s because a liberal political identity tends to be so much more than a political identity–it’s also a moral and personal identity. Liberals tend to equate their own position with such abstract (and non-political) qualities as goodness, kindness, lack of bigotry, intelligence–oh, a host of wonderful virtues. Any identity that is so identified is going to be particularly difficult to shed.

    Doesn’t this also remind you of religion, at least a little? Isn’t a sense of moral identity, meaning and purpose in life among the things that a religion traditionally provides people? And might that not be part of the reason that liberals react so badly to “apostates”? Especially since so many liberals, particularly of the sort that describe themselves as “progressives”, have lost or abandoned religion in the traditional sense by now, or have retained only a tenuous, formulaic connection, or have veered off into various unsatisfying concoctions of “spirituality”. These people can become bonded to their political beliefs with a quasi-religious force that’s much more powerful than conscious or rational processes. And when those beliefs appear to be threatened, one could predict that, as with any religious belief system under strain, a certain percentage of adherents will retreat into a kind of political fundamentalism. Which I think we see.

    Another insightful post.

  24. Many liberals view their political identity from a moral and ethical perspective. I.E. from a ‘religious’ perspective, though they would never use that word.
    Failure to agree with them is ‘heresy’. Failure to behave properly is a ‘sin’.
    To change a liberal’s political identity is tantamount to a religious conversion. This is much more difficult to accomplish through logical argument.

    Conservatives on the other hand, tend to have a ‘religious’ sense that is separate from their political stance. They can change their political identity without denying who they are.

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