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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5552</link>
		<author>Ymarsakar</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;B&gt;Ordinary human beings are capable of "absolute evil." &lt;/B&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It's a good thing that some of the humans in America are not ordinary, isn't it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Ordinary human beings are capable of &#8220;absolute evil.&#8221; </b></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a good thing that some of the humans in America are not ordinary, isn&#8217;t it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5553</link>
		<author>Ymarsakar</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Or... the Iraqis just want to beat Saddam in an even match of wits, on trial, on national camera.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Justice is giving someone what they deserve, no more, no less. Saddam doesn't deserve the rights of a normal Iraqi, that he witheld from everyone he didn't like. Saddam simply deserves to be defeated on a level playing field.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;To give Saddam human rights is an injustice. TO give him a fair trial, where both sides have equal firepower, that is justice.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It would not be justice if Saddam's lawyer was better than the Iraqis. It would not be justice if Saddam had more rights than his victims. Saddam has the right to live or die based upon the decisions of those more powerful than him, exactly the choice he gave to his victims.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;We in the west, fallen to the state of decadent order, no longer have a system where each side is even in a trial. It is increasingly becoming uneven. Unbalanced and unstable.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Perhaps a new justice system, in Iraq, may be more vibrant and balanced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or&#8230; the Iraqis just want to beat Saddam in an even match of wits, on trial, on national camera.</p>
<p>Justice is giving someone what they deserve, no more, no less. Saddam doesn&#8217;t deserve the rights of a normal Iraqi, that he witheld from everyone he didn&#8217;t like. Saddam simply deserves to be defeated on a level playing field.</p>
<p>To give Saddam human rights is an injustice. TO give him a fair trial, where both sides have equal firepower, that is justice.</p>
<p>It would not be justice if Saddam&#8217;s lawyer was better than the Iraqis. It would not be justice if Saddam had more rights than his victims. Saddam has the right to live or die based upon the decisions of those more powerful than him, exactly the choice he gave to his victims.</p>
<p>We in the west, fallen to the state of decadent order, no longer have a system where each side is even in a trial. It is increasingly becoming uneven. Unbalanced and unstable.</p>
<p>Perhaps a new justice system, in Iraq, may be more vibrant and balanced.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5554</link>
		<author>Anonymous</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Nonsense to indifference? &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;If you follow media issues, you'll find the interview interesting; if you're right wing, you'll find the interview illuminating; if you've gone  tribal, you'll callously dismiss the interview rather than check it out.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonsense to indifference? </p>
<p>If you follow media issues, you&#8217;ll find the interview interesting; if you&#8217;re right wing, you&#8217;ll find the interview illuminating; if you&#8217;ve gone  tribal, you&#8217;ll callously dismiss the interview rather than check it out.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5555</link>
		<author>Anonymous</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Robert Fisk has never spoken truth to power, only nonsense to indifference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Fisk has never spoken truth to power, only nonsense to indifference.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5556</link>
		<author>Anonymous</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5556</guid>
					<description>Another exceptional moment of speaking truth to power:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;A HREF="http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/20/1411211" REL="nofollow"&gt;Robert Fisk: War is the "Total Failure of the Human Spirit"&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another exceptional moment of speaking truth to power:</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/20/1411211" REL="nofollow">Robert Fisk: War is the &#8220;Total Failure of the Human Spirit&#8221;</a></p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: erasmus</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5557</link>
		<author>erasmus</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5557</guid>
					<description>Sigmund, Carl and Alfred:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;We agree that Hitler's evil "should" not be a part of the human condition, but I think it was, is, and will be. All we can do, IMHO, is try and identify and stop it before the copses pile up again.&lt;BR/&gt;That is also why I understand the current German attitude --they've come from the Jewish "never again" after the Holocaust to their own "never again" to militarism and violence. It may be foolish, when faced with Islamofascism, and even self-destructive, but I see why the pendulum has gone from the old extreme to the new one. Maybe it will swing to an enlightened middle soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigmund, Carl and Alfred:</p>
<p>We agree that Hitler&#8217;s evil &#8220;should&#8221; not be a part of the human condition, but I think it was, is, and will be. All we can do, IMHO, is try and identify and stop it before the copses pile up again.<br />That is also why I understand the current German attitude &#8211;they&#8217;ve come from the Jewish &#8220;never again&#8221; after the Holocaust to their own &#8220;never again&#8221; to militarism and violence. It may be foolish, when faced with Islamofascism, and even self-destructive, but I see why the pendulum has gone from the old extreme to the new one. Maybe it will swing to an enlightened middle soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Sigmund, Carl and Alfred</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5558</link>
		<author>Sigmund, Carl and Alfred</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5558</guid>
					<description>Erasmus- I certainly concur that Hitler was 'human.'&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;That said, there are men that are so evil, so depraved, that any attempt draw parallels from their 'humaness' to our own, is a best, a questionable effort.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Hitler's closest familial descendants- some of whom live here, in the US, have chosen not to have children. They wish the family line to die out. These are not evil men- they are however, haunted and burdened- tragically- with an incredible evil. They are perhaps, an extraordinary answer to Hitler's legacy- they have decided that there is some evil that cannot be rehabilitated. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Theirs is an extraordinary display of nobility- these blameless men have taken it upon themselves to bury that evil, once and for all. As Hitler is rightfully despised, these men ought rightfully be admired.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Was Adolph Hitler 'human'? Yes, he was. That however, does not mean he was part of human community- and knowing that he loved his dog and was pleasant to his secretary does not- and should not- make his evil any part of the human condition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erasmus- I certainly concur that Hitler was &#8216;human.&#8217;</p>
<p>That said, there are men that are so evil, so depraved, that any attempt draw parallels from their &#8216;humaness&#8217; to our own, is a best, a questionable effort.</p>
<p>Hitler&#8217;s closest familial descendants- some of whom live here, in the US, have chosen not to have children. They wish the family line to die out. These are not evil men- they are however, haunted and burdened- tragically- with an incredible evil. They are perhaps, an extraordinary answer to Hitler&#8217;s legacy- they have decided that there is some evil that cannot be rehabilitated. </p>
<p>Theirs is an extraordinary display of nobility- these blameless men have taken it upon themselves to bury that evil, once and for all. As Hitler is rightfully despised, these men ought rightfully be admired.</p>
<p>Was Adolph Hitler &#8216;human&#8217;? Yes, he was. That however, does not mean he was part of human community- and knowing that he loved his dog and was pleasant to his secretary does not- and should not- make his evil any part of the human condition.</p>
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		<title>By: erasmus</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5559</link>
		<author>erasmus</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5559</guid>
					<description>Sigmund, Carl and Alfred:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The "recent film" that you say "wanted to humanize Hitler," was "Der Untergang," and the makers of it understand something you seem not to: Hitler was human. There is no need to "humanize." Human beings have done the evil he did, still commit it, and are likely to continue.&lt;BR/&gt;Precisely because Germans saw him as more than human, as a "psychic god," did they happily succumb to his appeal, touching in them the need to be led by a force greater than the weak and muddled human ones. &lt;BR/&gt;The film showed him being kind to his secretaries, attentive to his dog and loyal to his flunkies. But he was all that, and  cold, vicious, genocidal at the same time. &lt;BR/&gt;Read "Ordinary Men" by Robert Browning, the account of German policemen who carried out executions of Jews on the Eastern front. Ordinary human beings are capable of "absolute evil." &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt; &lt;BR/&gt;Hitler could be kind to his secretaries, attentive to his dog, loyal to his flunkies, all while approving the extermination of millions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigmund, Carl and Alfred:</p>
<p>The &#8220;recent film&#8221; that you say &#8220;wanted to humanize Hitler,&#8221; was &#8220;Der Untergang,&#8221; and the makers of it understand something you seem not to: Hitler was human. There is no need to &#8220;humanize.&#8221; Human beings have done the evil he did, still commit it, and are likely to continue.<br />Precisely because Germans saw him as more than human, as a &#8220;psychic god,&#8221; did they happily succumb to his appeal, touching in them the need to be led by a force greater than the weak and muddled human ones. <br />The film showed him being kind to his secretaries, attentive to his dog and loyal to his flunkies. But he was all that, and  cold, vicious, genocidal at the same time. <br />Read &#8220;Ordinary Men&#8221; by Robert Browning, the account of German policemen who carried out executions of Jews on the Eastern front. Ordinary human beings are capable of &#8220;absolute evil.&#8221; </p>
<p>Hitler could be kind to his secretaries, attentive to his dog, loyal to his flunkies, all while approving the extermination of millions.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5560</link>
		<author>Mitch</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5560</guid>
					<description>The Iraqis are getting it, God bless them.  Justice is always better than vengeance, and the sword of the law is better than the law of the sword.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Iraqis are getting it, God bless them.  Justice is always better than vengeance, and the sword of the law is better than the law of the sword.</p>
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		<title>By: Goesh</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5561</link>
		<author>Goesh</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>What a magnificant statement. Like a boulder cast into a lake, the ripples of this trial will go far and wide, a possible cultural tsunami is developing, slowly brewing and rumbling and shaking. What will other arab tyrants think, the imams in Iran, Assad in Syria? What hope will be inspired amongst common people who cannot even question authority figures in their home lands? Will they be able to envision reformation when saddam walks the gallows and swings into eternity, a monster brought to justice, tried by those he oppressed? How utterly pathetic of the NYT and others of the Liberal camp to act as they are acting on behalf of saddam hussein.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a magnificant statement. Like a boulder cast into a lake, the ripples of this trial will go far and wide, a possible cultural tsunami is developing, slowly brewing and rumbling and shaking. What will other arab tyrants think, the imams in Iran, Assad in Syria? What hope will be inspired amongst common people who cannot even question authority figures in their home lands? Will they be able to envision reformation when saddam walks the gallows and swings into eternity, a monster brought to justice, tried by those he oppressed? How utterly pathetic of the NYT and others of the Liberal camp to act as they are acting on behalf of saddam hussein.</p>
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		<title>By: Sigmund, Carl and Alfred</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5562</link>
		<author>Sigmund, Carl and Alfred</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5562</guid>
					<description>There are absolutes, NYT, et al, notwithstanding.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I am reminded of the recent film that wanted to 'humanize' Hitler.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Evil is absolutely evil- and that is a lesson that Iraq the Model reminds his readers.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;We need to give Saddam some kind of due process, if for no other reason than to prove to ourselves that the rule of law is an integral part of of we are. Still, we- and every victim of Saddam, all know the necessary outcome.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Sometimes, the seven cent solution- the cost of a bullet, is indeed justice.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Absolutes are anathema to the NYT. Absolutes limit what are the boundries of morality- an idea and principle the NYT cannot abide- because absolutes remove their unquestioned authority and what they believe is their sacred right to set those moral boundries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are absolutes, NYT, et al, notwithstanding.</p>
<p>I am reminded of the recent film that wanted to &#8216;humanize&#8217; Hitler.</p>
<p>Evil is absolutely evil- and that is a lesson that Iraq the Model reminds his readers.</p>
<p>We need to give Saddam some kind of due process, if for no other reason than to prove to ourselves that the rule of law is an integral part of of we are. Still, we- and every victim of Saddam, all know the necessary outcome.</p>
<p>Sometimes, the seven cent solution- the cost of a bullet, is indeed justice.</p>
<p>Absolutes are anathema to the NYT. Absolutes limit what are the boundries of morality- an idea and principle the NYT cannot abide- because absolutes remove their unquestioned authority and what they believe is their sacred right to set those moral boundries.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Aubrey</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5563</link>
		<author>Richard Aubrey</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5563</guid>
					<description>There was decency clamoring to get out.&lt;BR/&gt;I am proud of my brothers and sisters in the US military that they were the proximate cause.&lt;BR/&gt;How noble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was decency clamoring to get out.<br />I am proud of my brothers and sisters in the US military that they were the proximate cause.<br />How noble.</p>
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		<title>By: meander</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5564</link>
		<author>meander</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5564</guid>
					<description>I had come across this post from Iraq the Madel a bit earlier and thought to myself "Why doesn't first person reaction like this ever make the MSM news?" It seems such a shame that only those of us who travel the blogsosphere get the opportunity to share such a personal story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had come across this post from Iraq the Madel a bit earlier and thought to myself &#8220;Why doesn&#8217;t first person reaction like this ever make the MSM news?&#8221; It seems such a shame that only those of us who travel the blogsosphere get the opportunity to share such a personal story.</p>
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		<title>By: contratimes</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5565</link>
		<author>contratimes</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5565</guid>
					<description>Indeed, it &lt;EM&gt;is&lt;/EM&gt; a profound lesson. I am encouraged. Thank you for sharing it.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Peace.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;BG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, it <em>is</em> a profound lesson. I am encouraged. Thank you for sharing it.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
<p>BG</p>
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		<title>By: Assistant Village Idiot</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5566</link>
		<author>Assistant Village Idiot</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-5566</guid>
					<description>Well, there's a lesson for all of us.</description>
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		<title>By: forum man</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-43949</link>
		<author>forum man</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2005/10/19/justice-of-trial/#comment-43949</guid>
					<description>great post</description>
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