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Lost in translation: the girl from Ipanema — 14 Comments

  1. American version=Witty, plenty of refrain and repetition, as well as supreme visualization. Catchy. Light

    Brazile Version=Philosophical perspective bordering on the sublime, almost melancholy. Color orientated.

    A commentary on thedifferences in culture perhaps.

  2. I have a terrible confession to make.

    Good thing it’s on a most-likely dead thread, eh?

    The melody from “Girl From Ipanema” is the soundtrack to my life.

    Waiting to step off the ramp as a young Marine.

    Standing in the line at the DMV.

    Contemplating a piece of steel on the anvil.

    In position over a waterhole on opening day.

    Stuck in traffic.

    It drives my wife NUTS.

    I have no desire to change the situation at all, though.

    Da – – da da da
    Da – – da da….

  3. That’s one of my favorite childhood songs, and the lyrics, whenever I hear them, instantly transport me back to lovely summers on the beach.

    Funnily enough, I read this the evening after I’d explained to my children that we don’t listen to modern pop music in the house because I, as a mother, simply cannot allow them to hear songs that are “nasty” (they’re little). I explained that songs from my youth were about love (most songs), or silliness (Marzy Dotes), or places, or other things. Modern songs, I said, are about violence and hate, and are mean about women, and whine a lot. The lovely Girl from Ipanema just brings home how correct I think I was in describing music from the past.

  4. Lovely post, Neo. There’s a story about how Stan Getz made a point of trying to stop Astrud Gilberto receiving any royalties. My friend Gene Lees wrote about that, and many other Getz misdemeanours, in his “Jazzletter”. I know he takes a dim view of the English lyrics of Ipanema. He knew Jobim well, and spent time in Rio collaborating with him (he’s responsible for the lovely “Quiet Nights of Quiet Stars”, aka “Corcovado”). BTW, the best version of Jobim’s songs I’ve heard lately is by the Morelenbaum-Sakamoto group. Their CDs “Casa” and “A Day in New York” are gems.

  5. The story of the woman to sing this song, Astrud Gilberto, is lovely and interesting as well.

  6. Thank you for this delightful treat! Having long and tirelessly enjoyed the famous “Getz-Gilberto” album, I’ve often wondered at the specifics of the Portuguese lyrics to this song (and the rest), which to my ears only roll by as lovely sounds. But I’d not have guessed that there was so much more to be found in the original words. The new translation you provided adds another dimension to my love of this classic — I’ve just pasted a copy into the song’s “Lyrics” field in my iTunes library for future reference.

    A related recent acquisition that I’ve been enjoying very much is Stan Getz & Charlie Byrd’s (instrumental) “Jazz Samba”. I’ve also loved Bebel’s two albums so far (“Next to You” is a song she sings in English, but it still leaves me teary-eyed with a lump in my throat). I look forward to looking into ambisinistral’s other recommendations. Thanks for the link!

  7. The story on YARGB was moving, wasn’t it?

    Your translation, particularly,

    Ah, why am I so alone
    Ah, why is everything so sad
    The beauty that exists
    The beauty that is not mine alone
    that also passes by on its own…

    is the sum of the human condition from the first moment we recognize “not-I” and want to possess it. The person who can move beyond wanting to possess beauty — the great view from the terrace, the beautiful face, the intensely haunting song — without also desiring in some way to have it is the person who has moved to serenity…

    Some few of us do.

    Meanwhile, whether or not the story of the sadness that lies in wait for the girl from Ipanema is the old familiar sorrows that accumulate with the passage of time. Often, I think Shakespeare knew them too well and only pasted on his redemptive endings, as if in a hurry to get past them.

  8. Thanks for noticing us.

    My favorite poet is Edgar Allen Poe.

    Years ago I had a chance to hear a reading of Poe by none other than the late Vincent Price.

    Vincent Price reading the Raven was one of those things you just do not forget.

  9. Neo,

    It’s remarkable how much poetry carries over into your literal translation of the song lyrics.

    Poetry is of course famously precisely what is lost in translation, and we accept that cliché uncritically, but I am not at all sure it’s entirely true.

    I know a fair amount of ancient Greek and have played around with quite clumsy and literal translations of some of the lyric poets, like Sappho, and with Homer. Such efforts almost always seem to have a bit of poetry in them, perhaps in spite of their translator.

    I find most moving:

    Ah, why am I so alone
    Ah, why is everything so sad
    The beauty that exists
    The beauty that is not mine alone
    that also passes by on its own…

    Perhaps because of the arresting metonymy of “beauty” used in this way…

    Jamie Irons

  10. Neo,

    Wow, those really are beautiful lyrics. Thanks for pointing out this post to me. And thanks for the last link — I’ve bookmarked her in my little collection of samba type blogs.

    I know there are a few different versions of how the song was composed. I found it fascinating that there was an actual Girl From Ipanema. Like I said elswhere, in my mind’s eye, she was always the pretty girl sauntering down to the beach and turning heads. It was fascinating to put an actual face to her, and melancholoy to see bad blood years down the road.

    BTW, if you like Brazillian music I recommend you give a listen to Monica Salmaso. Particularily her newset CD iaié¡. She has a beautiful voice has some extremely interesting instrumental backings.

  11. Neo. I love your blog…you write brilliantly and we, your readers, eagerly await each daily treat as is borne out by your commenters. I’m thankful your son was successful with his gentle persuasion. I came to you via RogerLSimon when you were profiled & identify with your surprise & unhappiness at dinner parties et al occasions where Bush vilification & “Republicans are stupid & evil” (and other more insidious comments) flow as freely as the merlot and chardonnay. It has bothered me greatly. Reading on your blog that others suffer the same types of circumstances has helped (misery enjoys company? It’s actually therapeutic!). Unlike you, I come to this similar place from a more Conservative background, however, being in the arts, I am constantly surrounded by friends (also family) who are mostly liberal and vocal about all of this in a most upsetting & insulting way. But sorry…to the subject at hand…your title caught my eye, as I had just sung “Ipanema,” (as it might be written on a song list for musicians)this past weekend at a jazz gig (I usually sing it as one of the Latin tunes). I have always loved it no matter how many hundreds of times I’ve sung it (in English) over the last 25 years or so. The story from musicians, and I’m not positive that it’s completely true (only mostly true), is that Joao Gilberto, the Brazilian guitarist/singer who was married to Astrud, was working in his home with Stan Getz for the Bossa album. She wasn’t a trained singer, but was around and apparently was humming or singing the tune…they decided to add her to the recording and it was so charming…Getz loved her sound…well, the rest is history…but it seems her singing was not all that Stan Getz admired about the lovely Astrud…stories go that Joao was furious about a rumored affair and he & Getz never recorded together again, but I do believe they did a famous Carnegie Hall appearance a year later. Still, as to whether it would have been as successful with the original lyric translation (I agree it is exquisite. Portuguese is indeed a musical&poetic language), I think it would have been popular no matter what. It was the perfect marriage of music & rhythm, sound of the guitar & sax, the arrangement, and of course, the lovely voice of Astrud Gilberto.

  12. Dymphna, your point is so well taken. Serenity comes when we not only accept that we cannot own every good and beautiful thing, but also that ultimately, we can own nothing. Feelings of love, awe, respect, empathy, accomplishment and duty are the best things in life; freely available to any and all, anywhere, any time. Imbibe of them freely and be eternally wealthy!

  13. I’m sure the original Portuguese version is beautiful, but I like the usual translation just fine. It’s almost impossible to translate poetry or song lyrics, and a paraphrase is often the best that you can do. A literal translation won’t be poetic, and you can’t sing it.

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