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  1. The reason why politics is so disgusting is because of apathetic people who don’t really care if one side wins or not, culminating in no real incentive for one side to be better than the other if the apathetic voters are just not going to care.

    There are too many people whom dislike strong feelings and positions. The gray of apathy seems to be more their metier.

  2. still realizing, concerning…

    You are too sure that you are right. Once you are sure you’re right and you’re sure the opposition is cheating you’ll start cheating yourself.

    What, I’ll start cheating??? Further, am I too sure I am right in my belief the MSM is blatantly liberal-left and biased? Growing up as a Liberal-Leftist Jew here in Washington D.C., I doubt it.

  3. “small, reversible steps”

    Right. Imagine the reaction should Israel begin to reverse one of the steps.

  4. The general rule of internet politics is that when somebody says “Here, look at this link — it proves my point”. Well, it almost never does. I see this all the time. On the right and the left. It’s amazing. Bisharat is just another example.

    Joseph Samuel Friedman:
    You are too sure that you are right. Once you are sure you’re right and you’re sure the opposition is cheating you’ll start cheating yourself. It’s why politics is so disgusting to so many people.

  5. we could rely on the Times to make sure his article was fair before they printed it

    What right do we have to insist that the Times ensure fairness? If they persist in permitting yellow journalism, we can propagate the attitude that the Times is only fit for clipping coupons and stuffing bird cages.

  6. no neo-neo, I don’t at all, I’m merely stating (btw as a fellow almost or completely ex-dem, civl rights working, ex aclu, ex vietnam protest organizing, woken up on 9/11, conversing w/arabs every ), that if Bisharat’s premise or even the Pentagon’s premise (falsely claimed apparently)is that arab desire for nukes comes from an Israeli nuclear deterrent force, the idea is one of the most fantastically absurd premises I have ever heard.

    The arabs, and the muslims want the jews OUT, or perhaps preferable, dead (if we take the presesnt execrable leader of Iran, the PLA, KSA, Rafsanjani, and various muslim leaders seriously). They believe via the quran that the jews are evil, and therefore doomed, and that since the quran is the immutable word of god, THEY must be not only correct in this desire, but it is their individual responsibility to ensure this outcome.

    Anyone who asserts that reducing it’s deterrent against uniformly hostile, neighbors, history, and promises is a way to reduce threats against it is not fit to put pen to advisory paper since they don’t have a clue about reality.

    Sad to say. But reality is reality.
    Love your blog, you make your points gently.

    I have heavier shoes, I’m afraid

    http://vwt.d2g.com:8081

  7. How can anyone get that idea?

    Israel having nukes, is definitely a motivation for Iran to get nukes. They are enemies after all, but it is probably not their primary defacto, mission critical or we’re all dead, reason.

    If the Israelis actually used a nuke… well, that might be a different, it would actually stop Iran from conducting nuclear generation almost immediately.

    I wonder if we can goad Israel and Iraq into doing something clandestine on this thing together… not with the CIA in their current shape perhaps, and the military definitely does not have the “deviousness” for that kind of Op.

    Oh, well, guess more people have to die before Iran gives up. Shrugs, if that’s how the cookie crumples, I’ll just wait till a new leader wants to eat it up faster.

  8. First error…
    Basic Premise

    ” Israel’s nuclear capability has clearly fueled WMD ambitions within the Middle East.”

    Are you kidding?

    WHat is fueling the desire for nuclear weapons in Iran, Iraq (previously), etc., with the sole exeption of Pakistan (<>India), is LIVING JEWS who refuse to be victims and apparently, move their state to the Duchy of Grand Fenwick, thus ending their non dhimmi-dom on the sacred muslim waqf. (Of course this would be only until the fatah ..look that up sports fans… reaches them again)

    The idea that Israeli nukes fuel the desire for certain groups to use nukes to destroy Israel is ignorant.

    So sorry.

    Therefore, btw, Israel taking any steps to reduce or eliminate its nukes will only be seen as Allah weakening the enemy mind in preparation for the final blow

  9. ” Anticipating the 1962 visit of American inspectors, Israel reportedly constructed a fake wall at Dimona to conceal its weapons production.”

    Unusual sentence structure. Not, Israel reportedly anticipated a 1962 visit and built a fake wall, rather it is that they anticipated first, and then the report came about that the wall was fake… Not a very linear thought process at all. Consistent with distort first, then claim that the evidence was fake but still believable. Half assertion, half ass covering in case.

    “Nor has Israel been required to sign the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. “

    Are the Democrats and anti-Israelis under the misapprehension that Israel is a state of the United States, and therefore is Constitutionally required to sign the same treaties that we have? Or are they refering to Israeli’s voters not requiring the signing of the NNT… I prefer to pick the one that has the most sinister connotations.

    “The apparent rationale: Weapons of mass destruction in the hands of an ally are simply not an urgent concern.”

    There’s that sentence structure again. First you had “anticipating” then “reportedly”. Now you have “apparent” before “not an urgent concern”.

    Weapons of mass destruction in the hands of an ally are simply not an urgent concern, the apparent rationale of the X. That is a slightly different emphasis, and has a different subliminal effectiveness. One has to wonder why he chose one syntax for the 1962 sentence and another one for Israel. Perhaps because one sentence he believed and another he didn’t? Pick the one that conforms to human nature.

    Putting the disclaimer first, puts the reader on more wariness, and thus gives a greater percentage chance that the information will not diffuse easily across the memory wall. A way to manipulate reader perceptions, without the average reader noticing it. I doubt most people know why advertisers show certain things in advertisements either, but it is the same skill. Literature, instead of visual/auditory.

    “Since then, no U.S. administration has effectively pressured Israel to either halt its program or to submit to inspections under the International Atomic Energy Agency.”

    I wonder if this attitude is some kind of trust in the US or an assumption that we pull the strings of Israel. If that is truelly the psychological rendition of the Palestinians and the propagandists in favor of fueling Palestinian hydrogen fires, then perhaps it might be beneficial to tweak it some. To manifest some human response that is predictable and beneficial. How to do this without failing and making obvious false threats, now that is the details.

    If this “Palestinian” believes that Israel has no sovereignty in relation to the United States, what the hell gives him the idea that the United States will give a bunch of racist, lying, pockers a State on anything but a nuclear mushroom foundation?

    Self-deception is such a useful survival tool, because it relies upon the weakness of the object being distorted, in this case the US. It has succeded to such an extent, because most opponents are weak, and if they are not weak, enough of the denialists will survive to procreate. Which made it nature’s favorite tactic. Perhaps it is time for the US to show some of nature’s tactics, and show people just why power doesn’t just side with the weak all the time. If not by our own hands, then by the hands of our proxies, proxies who are much more bloodthirsty and “honor code” orientated than the Israelis. Israelis were never a warrior culture, like the Kurds. They got almost eliminated from the face of the Earth as an ethnic group, and they refuse to marry outside blood to dilute the ethnic relations to the point where nobody can tell who is a Jew or not, which is why they went to Israel in the first place. Unfortunately for them, I guess, the wars for survival didn’t end once they got to Israel. Although leaving Europe was a very good idea.

    I am always surprised at the contrast between America and Israel. Both have a strong sense of pride, and of religious values. But the differences are amazing. America is an idea, thus what is an American may be in the majority “Caucassian” but also includes Tiger Woods, multi-racial people, and multi-ethnic people. The blood gets dispersed and diluted to the point where German immigrants only have vaguely German traditions 2 generations later. In Israel, it is like the counter of assimilation. Instead of electro-plating stuff on something, it discards all the junk. What they get is a vital spirit, but not much else. Certainly not a lot of bloodthirstyness that came with the Scots and the pragmatism of the Asians and the family closeness of the Italians (which are surprisingly like the Iraqis).

    Sad to say it, but only the strong survive in this world (or those lucky to be born in strong nations). And it ain’t the meek, but the diverse, and the manifold unified masses. Chaos to Order, the conversion is necessary for national strength and stability.

    “increasing military cooperation (particularly in the naval sphere) to deter Iranian naval interference”

    Maybe the word “blockade” has fallen out of political and military use, but I still think it would be quite effective in Iran. And without American casualties as would a land raid/campaign.

    “diplomatically isolating Iran by calling for the demilitarization of the Straits and adjacent islands,”

    I prefer an ultimatum to Iran, in the form that if they don’t do what we say, we’re going to take away their sea routes, their navy, and any other vessel that violates US occupied seas. One would think that this would be a lot more feasible and easier than invading or creating land/air threats, but then again, maybe the State Department and their international laws has had something to do with how come the US military can’t use the world’s best and largest navy as any other than a mine clearing sweat job. Bush might want to get a clue and start using the Navy as it was meant to be used, and stop obeying this sissy, enemy funed, “international treaties” or whatever he justifies with why he can’t use the Navy in an offensive capacity. RIght now, our Navy is freaking protecting the commerce of the majority of the world, and we don’t get dick in tributes even at that. If we can’t derive an income from it, if we can’t use it for national security goals that land/air power cannot achieve, then what the heck are we paying for a navy that outmasses the 7th other largest navies combined? Again, pick the one that conforms to human nature. If we don’t do it now, we might have to do it when we don’t got any other choice, and with chances of success far lower. Or we do it cause we want vengeance for an attack, which would be very … not useful.

    “They’re developing it to destroy Israel…”

    Iran’s more worried about the US than Israel. Israel isn’t a danger to Iran, we are. And a fatal one given enough time and money, resources and will. Israel and Palestine are just fuel sources for their power trip. To the fanatics, it might be different, but the mullahs can’t be too fanatical living at the top the way they do now.

    THe stated purpose of self-defense is pretty inconsistent with human nature. Because if a self-proclaimed enemy had nukes, and you didn’t, and you told him you were getting nukes to defend yourself but hadn’t built any actual nukes yet, just what do you think this self-proclaimed enemy would do with this information? Pick the action consistent with human nature. Humans when they know that they either have to use them or lose them, will use them. About as effective as telling a murder you are going to buy a gun, and that he should not attack you because of that fact… yes very human.

    “This is not an isolated case; it seems that, when op-ed pieces (or even straight news pieces) are written based on documents about policy recommendations, those recommendations are frequently distorted almost beyond recognition (remember Duelfer?).”

    This is why the President needs to prepare the nation psychologically using whatever tricks the EXECUTIVE Branch has in its disposal, not to make his mistakes any less smelly, but to counteract the enemy. He’d do well just to make things even, which he obviously isn’t doing, although he has been trying and for that I give him my approval.

    “What is the obligation of editors at newspapers such as the LA Times to fact-check these pieces by reading the original reports, and to see if the articles fairly represent what’s actually in them?”

    They can lie all they want to. Politicians lie for a reason, and one of those reasons is to counter other lies. Then again, you don’t need to lie to verbally flail opinions.

    Messing with the press in this situation would require drastic measures, and I don’t think the Prez or the Elite Senate will back such measures. So it’s got to go with Plan B, free speech to counter other free speech, however distorting. Good lawyers, to counter other good lawyers. Won’t make the trial any more just, but it will prevent it from being less just.

    “Of course, if the first were true (we could rely on the Times to make sure his article was fair before they printed it) the second (identifying his agenda) would not be necessary–it would be irrelevant.”

    And of course, if the first is not true, then the second would not be true either. Because both requires honesty and integrity of one form or another. Lack in the first, produces lack in the second. Lack in the second, produces lack in the first. An honest reporter would make sure that his sentence structures are unbiased, and make an adequate disclosure. A dishonest reporter and writer would do neither, because doing the disclosure shines a big spotlight on the distorted body. And that is a big no no.

    I think many of my new-found conservative friends here in the suburbs are very complacent about this, they are the ones that must be convinced and this is veeeery frustrating!

    This is one of those reasons why having a President use the full powers of his office, legal, extra-legal, black black ops, deception, and all is so important. Individual citizens just don’t have the impact to change people’s minds. They can get out the vote, they can elect Presidents, but they can’t do the President’s job for the President. Which is to harness national will, national resources, and national power through the focus/prism of the Presidency.

    If a General found out that his Lieutenants and his Captains were telling lies about the mission the General had outlined, the General would fire the Lieutenants and the Captains, replace them with people who got a pair, and then give a morale boosting speech to the troops to repair some of the damage. Bush trusted Tenet’s slam dunk, and didn’t even fire him, didn’t even talk about it.

    The American people are as much dissatisfied with Bush’s job conduct as we are with the fact that we are doing his job for him.

    Bush treats the military different than he treats the American public, and that is horribly bad for us. Although his comments at recent military bases have been indicative of some tactical change.

    I wonder if Bush is one of those characters that bring Order to Chaos. If he is, then he certainly doesn’t WANT to create Chaos. Which means he doesn’t tend to shake things up even when things need shaking up. Unless he is forced to. But when he is forced to, he brings a lot of Order to the Chaos. It is when Order has been established… that he tends to wear down. Like about now in Iraq.

  10. Since leaving the liberal fold I have found one disconcerting fact about the media and one that didn’t bother me while I was on the left and found the MSM basically representing and validating the center of my liberal universe. That fact is the blatant use of deceit the MSM will employ to make what they consider as important appear relevant in the context of today’s stories. This is the way of the liberal-left and very dangerous. One of many notorious examples is the Rather-gate “fake but true” documents, it didn’t matter that this was a set-up and not the truth because the underling story validated the prejudices of the leftist MSM. We must realize that to them facts don’t represent truth, the leftist agenda does, truth and facts be damned. This further points to the most ironic of ironies which is everything leftist-liberals accuse this President and his followers of doing are in fact exactly what those on the left and in the MSM are doing. The use of deceit, trickery, pretending to support that which they in fact do not. They feigned support for the War while it was popular, asserting their true position when convenient to do so, throwing around blame and making excuses for their changing sides.

    The fact is conservatives, while ideological, are not as activist in nature as liberals and those on the right that are activist on the critical issues of the day are for the most part neo-con “ex-leftists” types who are in honest open commentary and up-front with their biases. Outside career punditry, conservatives take up career jobs that are more market/business oriented and less involved in government, teaching, social engineering, etc. where through force and manipulation leftist-liberals seek to impose. What liberal professors and universities do is also criminal as far as I am concerned. The fact is conservatives must not just wake up and realize that leftist-liberals cheat and do not fight fair (most have realized this), they must also seek to lend more effort in countering the lies and deceit, certainly blogs and talk-radio has helped, but is not near enough. While conservatives may be more supportive of fighting the WOT, believe in free-markets, and that Iraqi’s will protect their own freedom once given it. The liberal-left actually believes in imposing their ideology among the free. I do think neo-cons (and neo-neo-cons) know what we are dealing with. I think many of my new-found conservative friends here in the suburbs are very complacent about this, they are the ones that must be convinced and this is veeeery frustrating! Most of the people I know that work for the Government vote liberal with teachers and social workers being the worst, while most in the private sector vote conservative which brings me a whole new reason for shrinking the size of Government, allowing for faith based initiatives, and implementing school choice.

  11. All Things Beautiful TrackBack Extraction Of The Stone Of Iranian Madness:

    “LATEST UPDATE: My friend over @ Neo-Neocon is fact checking the LA Times article discussing whether Israel should give up it’s nukes. Providing here the SSI–US Army War College document on which Bisharat, the author, based his article.”

  12. By this logic: In 1938, Britain should have begun the scrapping of its Spitfire and Hurricane fighters, and dismantled its radar system, in order to encourage Germany to take steps toward disarmament.

  13. It’s this behavior that insures my not reading opinions of anyone I don’t know and trust. I’d be happy if the straight news reporting was not distorted–that it was in fact straight reporting of all facets of a story: the good, the bad, and the ugly. Of course then we’d have to think. Mark

  14. It really shouldn’t matter what Israel has in terms of nuclear weapon or when or if it should be dismantled. Israel is not a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty and thus has the right to do so. Iran on the otherhand is a signatory to the NPT and is bound by it. If the supervising members of the NPT is not willing to enforce its own treaty they have essentially relinquish any say in Iran’s nuclear program. I blame the NPT supervising members that have appeased Iran. We know who they are.

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