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old mark e smith never liked trendie lefties - hated the beatles with a passion and thought hippies were a bunch of middle class weaklings who ought to get a proper job. The Fall are still going although he has a record as an employer that would match some ofthe worst hire and fire bandit capitalist…….

you would think i would hate it ….but it is very good…and you never know what he is going to come up with next

read this

ENGLISH SCHEME

1982 i think

How many of them can we make die?

www.leitkulturevolution.de

Agree with you about Lennon. I loathed the Beatles and am repulsed to this day by McCartney as much as I was by the mean spirited nasty individual that Lennon was.

As far as the divorce goes though, she hasn’t got a leg to stand on.

The jury is out on strummer.

John Lennon was the archetype of the posturing rich lefties you spend so much time despising.Look at the New York album if nothing else.

I am prepared to believe that all rock stars are conservatives - a bunch of rich dull people. Bono! ha. how boring and silly do you want to get. The Sex Pistols - rubbish, south of England punk as radical as McDonalds, and about as satisfying.

However. They all mouthed left wing ideas because they knew the spirit of the time would not let them do much else. It does not make the arguments much more right or wrong and it is surely one of the more desperate bits of scrabbling around for support that you lot have engaged in. but not much more than most days - any post in a storm eh neo.

Lynard Skynard were a bunch of fine musicians who just happened to be a tad racist. If you agree with their political opiions i will have endless fun passing skynard quotes across.

Who cares what a bunch of coke snorting rich self-obsessed people say. that isn’t the real world. For someone who professes to despise the MSM (pah! how silly is this whole thing) you seem to spend an awful lot of time worrying about it neo. McCartneys divorce, American wahteveritis called and now this. Turn the tv off and start thinking about the real world -not the version the MSM give you.

best radical song ever - Chicken in Black - Johnny Cash

Best right wing song ever

Pay your rates - the Fall

or The English Scheme - The FAll

that guy was a neo con before you even thought of it.

and yrdwnkr if we are on about music you remind me of the charater in Big Black’s song Kerosene - go find it. you wil love it - promise

elmondo — I’ve read a fair amount of Dave Marsh and I don’t think this is snide or condescending. It’s just accurate.

The good news, though, is that people–even young people–don’t take rock all that seriously anymore. Bruce Springsteen and Michael Stipe were openly touring against Bush in 2004 to little effect. I can’t find the Stipe quote now, but I remember him being mystified that fans came to the concerts but seem to have little interest in the message he and Springsteen were peddling.

Similarly, MTV’s Rock the Vote! has been going since 1990 with little impact.

It’s a scifi kind of song about a society that has been taken over by a superior, sinister force. The father is with the resistance and leaves instructions to his wife to take care of the kids, pray to God, and bide time until they can rise to fight again. It’s the antithesis of Lennon’s “Imagine.”

Take the children and yourself
And hide out in the cellar
By now the fighting will be close at hand
Don’t believe the church and state
And everything they tell you
Believe in me, I’m with the high command

Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?
Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?

My reaction isn’t disagreement. It’s simply that I’m pretty sure Mellencamp himself would react rather poorly to being linked in any way, shape, or form with “conservatives”; he’s pretty much in the mold of Bruce Springsteen, maybe just a hair sharper in his opinions. Yes, I know the list isn’t trying to say that he’s conservative, it’s just rendering judgement on one of his songs, but still… if the myths around here in Bloomington are to be believed (now you all know where I live), his ability to fly off the handle is supposed to be legendary.

To be fair, those are all 3rd hand accounts, and I have no personal experience in that regard (just for fun, I’m only 3 degrees of separation from him, but no, I haven’t met him personally ).

And back to the list:
“Any claim that rock is fundamentally revolutionary is just kind of silly,” he said. “It’s so mainstream that it puts them” — liberals — “in the position of saying that at no time has there ever been a rock song that expressed a sentiment that conservatives can appreciate. And that’s just silly.”

Um… isn’t there a difference between saying a song “…(expresses) a sentiment that conservatives can appreciate”, and outright calling it conservative? One’s a shade of distinction, the other is a broad stroke, painting the entire object in question. Yes, I know he’s only having fun and being superficial — I mean, c’mon! I don’t care what anyone else says, someone who puts the label “conservative” on anything by the Beatles, the Stones, or The Who has definitely got to be tongue-in-cheek about it — but still, regardless of any fun or superficiality, there’s a gap between what he said and calling something a “conservative song”. He’s being a bit sloppy in his arguments.

I’m not taking offense at all of this; I’m a conservative myself, after all. It’s just that I’m amazed at the chutpaz he’s showing in making this list. There’s no way some songwriter with a song on the list isn’t going to react poorly to his/her song being listed, even if it is all in fun. On the other hand, why bother? Putting aside the fact that this is all in fun, is it really necessary to inject political views into rock? As Ann Althouse said in her own post on this topic, the list more of a Rorschach test of the reader than anything else (link).

Or is that the point?

‘Nother thought:
Dave Marsh, the longtime rock critic and avowed lefty, saw it as a desperate effort by the right to co-opt popular culture. “What happened was, my side won the culture war, in the sense that rock and related music is the dominant musical form, not only in the U.S. but around the world…”

Wow… that’s pretty snide, and condescending besides, don’t'cha think?

http://www.tednugent.com/

Ymaskar, you’re a freakin’ encyclopedia!

Great Gonzos is a ‘best of’ album.

Here’s his National Review interview:

http://www.nationalreview.com/kudlow/kudlow051702.asp

Something wicked this way comes

People who read my comments here, may remember that I wrote about what the Japanese term “genkai” and what the West knows mostly as “Rate of Fire”. The Japanese word is much more rich and appropriate, because it applies to people instead of just firearms and inanimate objects.

One thing I said in relation to this, is that propaganda and psychological warfare is MORE destructive than Weapons of Mass Destruction. Why? Well, simply because the genkai on WMDs is much lower than that on propaganda.

And we see it now. If you killed as many people with WMDs as Mao killed with purges, you could never be as popular as Mao. But because Mao killed using propaganda as a tool, Mao is loved for his killing. The limits are higher, because propaganda can be repeated over and over, while WMDs can perhaps be used only twice in a hundred years.

Human nature is pretty consistent. Intimidation is very effective because human nature is so consistent.

So in the end, propaganda is much more dangerous than WMDs simply because you can use it more often. It is as if you had an endless con-game, stealing a few hundred dollars from everyone that passes you by instead of a big out armed robbery of Fort Knox.

I’m telling you, Napoleon wasn’t kidding when he said the morale to the physical is as 3 is to 1. Neither was Sun Tzu kidding when he said that the achime of skill is to win a war without fighting.

8. “Bodies,” by The Sex Pistols. ; buy CD on Amazon.com
Violent and vulgar, but also a searing anti-abortion anthem by the quintessential punk band: “It’s not an animal / It’s an abortion.”