Care to comment on the out of control deficit?

Some of these dudes have like 600,000,000 GDP, and have 10% GDP growth. Big freaking deal, Confud wants to deceive himself into believing bigger perentage means jack when it is 11+ trillion vs 600 million. Google makes more than 600 million per year.

Ymar is just a product of the blathering pseudopatriot right. He thinks everyone outside america is jealous of them despite the fact that the US is way down the list on most economic and QL indicators.

No doubt, the OECD will be branded a socialist organization shortly.

Bets?

You’d better clarify which criminal code and which jursidiction you are talking about first though. Wise to be accurate after all.

Maybe you need a vision check or something Confud, because all of your comments are there. Don’t tell me you got sucked into the twilight zone after your deal with the Devil went bad…
Come on knob cheese breath. Answer the fucking question you little toe rag.

The British don’t get it. Americans are the younger, more brilliant, genius in the Anglo-Saxon family. The British got one lesson from their Troubles, and they seek to apply it to Israel and the US. Prejudiced and arrogant. America is the new and improved version, compared to the buggy alpha version that is Britain. Britain deserves respect for its age, sort of like the rickety disabled grandfather. But that don’t mean we’re going to emulate the old generation.

Mein Kampf ? The Ymar Republic?

3:28 PM, June 12, 2006

Oh I have a look at you blog from time to time. Ymar, if you are going to lie, you’ve got to be a bit cleverer.

You can’t just substitute MUSLIM for Brazilian Catholic and expect people to take you seriously.
Bottom of the class.

Why won’t you publish my comments? No balls?

There is a life and a vibrancy amongst the barbarians, the head choppers, the Islamic jihadists, that is not present in the decadent Western systems of beliefs.

I mean. Well. What can you say in reply. This is from the latest post on his highly comical blog.

If ever Neo’s therapist skills were needed it is with this young man. Get him some help. I am serious neo. Email him, the guy needs some positive encouragemnt and direction from someone he clearly admires.

Who was carrying on about militias in Birmingham?

That was pretty insane.

The muslims are coming! The muslims are coming!

Too much of a leap to think she could do any better than just rearrange the howling adjectives in her little schoolgirl rant.

The Simple Song of the Trolls:

Sickos, rascists, Oh. Mi. God.
You lot have really lost it this time.

Thats quite clever.

So that leaves yrmdwnkr as the thickest and comrade wasp as the maddest. Little apple thief is quite dumb but lacks the wonderful intellectual pretension to his stupidity that yrmdwnkr uses to entertain us all.

Not to mention his fantasy gaming nonsense..

On the absolute ranking scale for weapons, handguns and rifles are a mediocre 3.

It takes a greater comprehension of the warrior ethos, to know what the other 7 higher weapons are.

confud is one of the worst of the deranged left, someone who defends islamofascist thugs as freedom-fighters

4:24 PM, June 11, 2006

Tough choice. The wasp is a contender too.

I’ll get back to you.

no

confud is one of the worst of the deranged left, someone who defends islamofascist thugs as freedom-fighters

You’re thicker than Sally.

It takes a greater comprehension of the warrior ethos, to know what the other 7 higher weapons are.

No. Arafat was a vain fool who put his own selfish interests ahead of the people he claimed to represent. In the end he was a traitor to his cause by design or negligence.

He was a convenient whipping boy while the Israelis broke all the terms of the Oslo farce though.

That is a large part of why Hamas was elected.

Just to be clear, what would consider justice, deep down in your heart of hearts? Be brutally honest.

I don’t live in the “black and white” world you claim to live in so I admit I can’t answer that question. I’m also not sure it’s my place to answer it.

6:40 PM, June 10, 2006

That is a good question to which I don’t pretend to have a definitive answer. I really don’t. But what they are facing now is not just by any stretch of the imagination.

Just to play devil’s advocate, where does your calendar start? An argument could be made that the Jews were there first and had their land taken. Their temples on the Temple Mount pre-date any Muslim building (or Muslim person for that matter) by thousands of years. Just curious. If you want to get into historical oneupmanship you can go a long way back with that. Didn’t the Muslims take that land by force? Again, just asking to give you a chance to clarify your position.

6:58 PM, June 10, 2006

No, the history of the current conflict can only really start in 1947.

As for you yboy, you should come over to Australia and talk to a mate of mine who lost his wife in the first Bali bombing. He’d love to ‘debate’ the facts with you. We’re a welcoming people Ymar and we enjoy robust debate. We’d love to hear how we are failing you direct from the horse’s ars…oops..mouth.

To reiterate the reasoning, Confud is here as an enemy provocateur in order to sabotage, steal, and to confuse the enemy, which would be anyone here that disagrees with him, including the blog author Neo.

Asking why Confud is here when he is not convincing anyone, is a no brainer question. Confud is not here to convince people, Confud is here to draw attention to himself, sabotage conversations and discussions, and make things about himself rather than anything truely important like Z Man dieing.

Kcom can engage 1 on 1 with Confud, and Confud will never give up, while other commenters have to scroll through a bunch of garbage comments that don’t mean anything except rehashed stuff about Israel.

In fact, Confud will stop talking on this thread, and transfer to the newest topic, just to make sure that people can’t ignore him. THen we’ll see another Kcom vs Confud on the newest topic. Then version two, on the newest new topic. Then version three, and so on and so forth.

This is why you shouldn’t engage with trolls. Agent provocateurs are rabid dogs. Either avoid them or put them down, but don’t play with them and then be surprised that you get bitten.

Just to play devil’s advocate, where does your calendar start? An argument could be made that the Jews were there first and had their land taken. Their temples on the Temple Mount pre-date any Muslim building (or Muslim person for that matter) by thousands of years. Just curious. If you want to get into historical oneupmanship you can go a long way back with that. Didn’t the Muslims take that land by force? Again, just asking to give you a chance to clarify your position.

Just to be clear, what would consider justice, deep down in your heart of hearts? Be brutally honest.

I don’t live in the “black and white” world you claim to live in so I admit I can’t answer that question. I’m also not sure it’s my place to answer it.

Good God, man. Give it up! Who do you think you’re convincing? Nobody here believes you. You’re wasting your time. You will never convince us that the bloodthirsty, murderous animals that pass for the “leaders” of Palestine are anything but terrorists.

No nation is perfect, lord knows, but Israel is nowhere near the awful, brutal place you portray. You will never convince me otherwise.

6:04 PM, June 10, 2006

I keep saying that you will have to convince yourself. But you won’t. You will not see the truth that is there in black and white. You will ignore the evidence which is so plain a 10 year old could work it out. It is all there in plain view, but the US populace will continue to hoodwink itself while these mongrels laugh all the way to the bank. And you will make statements like ………….” You will never convince us that the bloodthirsty, murderous animals that pass for the “leaders” of Palestine are anything but terrorists”………and continue to deny your racism.

There is no hope, ever, while people like you are a force in US politics that Palestinians will ever achieve any justice. It was their fecking land for Chrissakes. That is the starting point.

Please point out where I said they did. I don’t think you can, because I didn’t. Your repeated habit of putting words in my mouth and then arguing against those words is quite pointless.

You are also attempting to change the subject again by not addressing the actual point of the passage you cited. First you claimed it would not be to the military disadvantage of the Israelis to withdraw to the 1967 borders because the Palestinians only have a few AK-47s, but even when it’s pointed out to you, you completely ignore the fact that the Palestinians are not their only potential enemies. And not just potential, they’ve actually been at war with those countries in the past. Please tell me how it is that controlling less territory and having your population centers closer to the front lines is not a military disadvantage.

Below is another case in point where you insist on putting your own words in someone else’s mouth:

“You really should read the story of the politician who was assassinated. Your IDF heros and Israeli politicians aren’t quite who you think you are you know.”

As I mentioned earlier, I don’t have any Israeli heroes - it’s not my country. But I will always have more respect for a country that freely elects its leaders in democratic elections, has an independent judiciary, allows a variety of opinions to flourish along with a free press, has financial accountability, civilian control of the military and doesn’t celebrate sending teenage boys to blow up 10-year-old girls at pizza parlors. Especially the last one.

I’m not excusing it in any way shape or form, but maybe you could look at why they called themselves Black September. OK?”

So, it had something to do with the Olympics, then? Perhaps the IOC sent their troops into Jordan to rout out the Palestinians? I know I never did trust that Avery Brundage, what with all those shock commando units under his command. I mean, come on. At least when you make an argument, have a point. Tell me how anything that led to the creation of Black September justified, or even explained in any way, the actions of a group of people who took it upon themselves to shoot up the Olympic Games and murder its athletes. As someone else pointed out, what you say does sound an awful lot like excusing it because, other than that, what does one have to do with the other? (I honestly don’t think you mean that, but look at what you wrote.)

Good God, man. Give it up! Who do you think you’re convincing? Nobody here believes you. You’re wasting your time. You will never convince us that the bloodthirsty, murderous animals that pass for the “leaders” of Palestine are anything but terrorists.

No nation is perfect, lord knows, but Israel is nowhere near the awful, brutal place you portray. You will never convince me otherwise.

Check out the antics of the ’settlers’.

Look, there has to be a dialogue somewhere if ever this is going to stop. Hamas may be all the things you think (but probably quite a few you don’t as well) but, they were elected to represent the few Palestinians left in Palestine.

Killing their leaders helps no one. You guys are doing business all over the world with far worse people than them. Far worse.

I’m sure Sally, Ymar, Mary and the insect are rejoicing in this news, just as you accuse 6 million people of at each suicide bombing.

Look at the history, look at the maps, look at the people in power. How many generals in the IDF and cabinet members in government aren’t multimillionaires? How much US money has disappeared there?

See, confud, it’s the “but” that convinces me that you do. It’s the reason there’s a continual cycle of violence; neither side will just stop the killing. The difference, of course, is that when Israel accidentally kills civilians, Israelis investigate, apologize, and punish.

Palestinians intentionally attack civilians, and celebrate. And that’s why I will never support their “cause”.

Are you truly that ignorant of history? You don’t remember (or never heard about) Israel being attacked by Egypt and and Syria during the Yom Kippur War and having to fight Egypt, Jordan and Syria (backed by other non-border Arab countries) simultaneously in 1967? I’m no military tactician but even I know that it’s a military disadvantage to control less territory, have your enemy closer to your population centers, and put yourself at risk of having your country cut in two due to the fact that you have a large enemy salient in the middle of your territory. Of course, if real peace could be achieved all this would be irrelevant, but until that time comes, yes, it would be decided disadvantage from the Israeli point of view to withdraw to the 1967 borders. Please go study the history of the past 50 years and the history of warfare in general.

On the contrary K, it is you that needss to read history as opposed to Israeli propaganda. Nobody attacked Israel in 1967. It seems to be only Americans that still think it was. I’ve yet to meet an Israeli who believes this nonsense. Funny that.

You really should read the story of the politician who was assassinated. Your IDF heros and Israeli politicians aren’t quite who you think you are you know.

Its all out there. You need to read. We are of similar agess possibly and I remember the Munich outrage as well. I’m not excusing it in any way shape or form, but maybe you could look at why they called themselves Black September. OK?

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/slaughter-on-the-beach/2006/06/10/1149815360539.html

Sally, you’re such an obvious coward. Pfft.

Btw, Z-Man wasn’t in Israel.

Any of you care to condemn HTTP://WWW.GUARDIAN.CO.UK/FRONTPAGE/STORY/0,,1794536,00.HTML HREF+ HREF="" REL="nofollow">this action? or is their some good reason behind it? Is it targetted?

“Read the politics of the assassinated politician.

Whilst not sanctioning the act, he was not a nice guy.”

Kcom:

What’s that got to do with it? If it’s wrong, it’s wrong. Right?

I don’t know, k…methinks ol’ confud would have no problem with a jihadi blowing a few of us up…after all, we’re not “nice guys”.

Whilst not sanctioning the act, he was not a nice guy.”

What’s that got to do with it? If it’s wrong, it’s wrong. Right?

Most regular people who have personal beefs will keep it going on an older thread, they don’t usually drag it unto new ones. Here’s another psychotic person, and I mean psychotic seriously.

Mudville has some good agent provocateurs as well

As I said before, there are certain things you don’t talk about with Confud, otherwise it will engage his self-defense mechanisms and his prejudices will go into overdrive. The belief that he is on the side of righteousness concerning Palestine, is a keystone of his entire matrix identity. Knock that apart and Confud will be as good as dead.

I think I can do that by putting him in Israel, and having a suicide bomb go off killing a bunch of people he knows in front of him. That might work. Not guaranteed of course. Look at Nick Berg’s father. Some people can weave a self-deception web so strong, not even psychological shock can do them in.

On a more substantive note:
I’d agree that the Zarqawi killing fits the pattern of targeted assassination, and that the tender souls who are concerned about that sort of thing are probably fewer just because of the especially nasty nature of this particular victim. But I’m not clear that such a strategy comes in for a lot of condemnation lately, after Israel has shown it to be a relatively cheap, focused, and above all effective technique for taking the fight to the terrorists. It turns out that it’s not quite as easy as their lefty supporters imagine for the terrorists to carry out their mass murders, and the loss of their leaders does indeed hurt them. Which, of course, in itself explains the hostility to targeted assassinations among the more rabid left.

Great. Thanks. Up the Irish!

(and that really is meant in the positive way!)

Whilst not sanctioning the act, he was not a nice guy.

You need to step back a bit and look at the dispute from the beginning. There are very few good guys in all this. The beginning was Palestinians having their land stolen after all.

Actually, I’m arguing exactly the opposite. I’d like to see the same rules apply to the Israelis as everyone else. It is US policy which immunises Israel from international law and conforming to the norms of civilized behaviour.

You are using emotive images to describe Palestinian crimes without any empathy at all for what is happening to Palestinians. Have you ever read accounts of Palestinians being killed by Israelis? Just as heart-breaking to me. Clearly not to you.

You ARE advocating collective punishment for 6 million people that have been abandoned by and large. You do this possibly because you have been conditioned by the US media and Israeli propaganda.

At the end of the day , what you are demanding is for a nebulous population of 6 million people who have been under brutal military occupation for decades, without leadership, without any sort of hope, to behave like Ghandi in the hope that their oppressors may bargain in good faith over a tiny scrap of land while their said oppressors live on the land stolen from them and controlling every aspect of their existence.

Why can’t you see the impossibility and the stupidity of this?

Israeli Minister Assassinated

An excerpt:
“A rightwing Israeli minister was shot dead in a Jerusalem hotel today by a suspected Palestinian gunman, prompting fresh fears for the shaky truce between Palestinians and Israelis that was agreed only three weeks ago.
The Syria-based Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine immediately claimed responsibility for murder of the far-right tourism minister, Rehavam Ze’evi.”

Can you send me a link to the transcript of his trial and the accountability behind his killing? And the legal justification? I’m sure the tourism minister was deeply involved in military actions in Gaza and the West Bank. I’m inrerested to read what he said in his defense at his trial.

Or are you saying it’s okay for the Palestinians to practice targeted assassinations (on tourism ministers, no less) but wrong for the Israelis to take out someone directly responsible for attacks on Israeli?

You were complaining about double standards, so I’m just curious if you believe in this double standard?

You will notice that this time around we are hearing no rock anthems of resistance, revolution and street fighting. They learned a hard lesson in the 60’s and got their buttocks handed to them.

If they become more than feces flinging monkeys and actually start to impede, the same thing will happen and the left knows it.

We need a good strong, insane Left right now in order to be the finger down the throat of the Democrat Party allowing them to barf up all their sickness and once more become a party worthy of respect and votes. After that, the Left will wither away just like the State was supposed to in the Socialist Paradise.

Their mothers were hamsters and their fathers smelt of elderberries!

Are you truly that ignorant of history? You don’t remember (or never heard about) Israel being attacked by Egypt and and Syria during the Yom Kippur War and having to fight Egypt, Jordan and Syria (backed by other non-border Arab countries) simultaneously in 1967? I’m no military tactician but even I know that it’s a military disadvantage to control less territory, have your enemy closer to your population centers, and put yourself at risk of having your country cut in two due to the fact that you have a large enemy salient in the middle of your territory. Of course, if real peace could be achieved all this would be irrelevant, but until that time comes, yes, it would be decided disadvantage from the Israeli point of view to withdraw to the 1967 borders. Please go study the history of the past 50 years and the history of warfare in general.

“I’d like to tell you a story about a Jewish South African friend of mine who emmigrated to Israel after completing Medical School.

But you wouldn’t believe the very sad story because it wouldn’t fit in with your golden view of Israel.”

Well, how would I know that until I hear the story? I told you mine, you can tell me yours. And then I could decide for myself what I believe. Yeah, that seems fair.

Of course, your assumption that I have a golden view of Israel is just that. I’ve never been there, don’t know anyone from there, don’t have any personal stake there. But what I do know is that they don’t go around crowing about blowing up 13-year-olds at pizza parlors. That’s a start to a golden society that the Palestinians haven’t made yet.

“I don’t condone suicide bombings either, but are they any less disgusting than Apache helicopters firing at civilians. Hard to figure the heroics involved in that.”

You mean “more disgusting”, of course. Send me a link and I’ll compare and contrast. (Also, I must admit I’m worried by your “I don’t condone, but…” construction. It tends to sound like condoning.”)

“BTW Hamas has a unilateral ceasefire in place. Just so as you know.”

Yes, I know. What would be even more productive would be to revoke their goal of wiping Israel off the map. It’s always easier to come to an agreement with someone if you aren’t worried they are trying to murder you when your back is turned.

“The reported rocket attacks killed one person in the 12 months before the invasion. Clear enough?”

How come you keep ignoring the part about the ambassador? That’s what brought this whole subject up in the first place, wasn’t it? Targeted assassinations and all. Why do you keep ignoring the examples of Palestinian targeted assassinations?

I’m sorry, I didn’t realize it was racist to oppose murdering Olympic athletes and bombing pizza parlors.

The argument you seem to be making is that those brown people can’t help themselves from doing those things so it’s racist to call them on it. It’s in their nature, is that it?

I will repeat what I said before. Other political groups have accomplished their goals without resorting to that sort of thing and the Palestinians would do much better with US public opinion (and I would hope the rest of the world) if they stopped celebrating the fact that they’ve blown up a 13-year-old girl eating a pizza or riding a bus. Period.

There is nothing racist about that whatsoever. And yes, I was against “necklacing”, too, if that’s what you mean. Of course, that’s not what you mean. It seems, in your world, certain groups are allowed to violate every norm of human behavior and still retain the world’s sympathy while other ones are not. I just have higher expectations of mankind than that. Call it a weakness.

I agree there has to be some commonality. The current situation is not achieving that and blaming the Palestinians for all the ills to preclude any talks only helps the Israelis continued expansion and ethnic cleansing.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/bovard1.html

Here is something for you to compare your structured military’s heroic deeds vs your suicide bombers.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/anomalous/138519847/

Cloud cuckooland.

“(a country, btw, that actually contains a homegrown peace movement) “

Yes, that is a truly bizzarre situation when looking at US collective myopia on the issues.

I’d like to tell you a story about a Jewish South African friend of mine who emmigrated to Israel after completing Medical School.

But you wouldn’t believe the very sad story because it wouldn’t fit in with your golden view of Israel.

I don’t condone suicide bombings either, but are they any less disgusting than Apache helicopters firing at civilians. Hard to figure the heroics involved in that.

BTW Hamas has a unilateral ceasefire in place. Just so as you know.

Sure, I’ll shoot him with truth serum until he can get his facts straight. I owe him that much. What good is a messenger who garbles the message.

“The Lebanon War…began June 6, 1982, when the Israel Defense Forces invaded southern Lebanon. The Government of Israel justified the invasion as a response to the assassination attempt against Israel’s ambassador to the United Kingdom, Shlomo Argov by Fatah - Revolutionary Council and to artillery attacks launched by the Palestine Liberation Organization against populated areas in northern Israel. See also Operation Litani.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War

There’s not much there about a lone Israeli soldier.

“Well thanks for the precis kcon but everything that I’ve said is relevant and in direct response.”

In some parallel universe sure. Here’s a summary of the conversation.

C. - How would you feel if they assassinated your movers and shakers?

M. - They already have. Here is example 1, 2, 3, etc.

C. - Oh yeah, a lot more Palestininans have died in that time frame than Israelis.

Are you really going to argue that response is relevant? Please.

Again, what have Palestinians achieved by any means? Nothing. Arafat signed the Oslo accord and acheived? Nothing.

Passive resistance doesn’t work. Democracy will starve them. What else is left?

Nothing while people like you in the US are prepared to base middle east policy on religious divides and racism.

The arabs and muslims within Israel are in a perilous state too and institutionilized racism is a matter of record. I suppose you supported white South Africa too.

Look, it’s clear that you have a real dislike of Israel. Been there, done that. It’s clear that most who read this blog really aren’t big fans of the “Palestinians”. So let’s agree to disagree on this one.

I’m really not certain why you continue to post, when there are only two others that regularly agree with you. Whose minds do you think you’re changing? Why waste your time and ours with what is ultimately a futile effort?

I probably agree with you on the futility but until I came to this site, having several decades of political discourse behind me, I never thought I’d meet people on a political platform that had such closed minds. Why even come to the thing if you don’t want to hear alternative viewpoints?

It is a peculiarity of current US politics that Israel can be deemed “good” and the oppressees “bad” or worse “terrorists” while the public is absolutely blind to the facts on the ground which are so freely available and so overtly damning.

It is bizzarre to say the least.

If you want to get rid of Islamic extremism you will have to address the Palestinian situation. Simple.

Blair knew it and got dicked by Bush for his trouble.

For a start, they are not supposed to blow up embassies or assassinate accredited diplomatic personnel. They are also not supposed to walk into pizza parlors with bombs and detonate them. Plenty of other political movements have achieved their goals without resorting to blowing up pizza parlor customers.

In fact, I would argue that the Palestinians would have a much better time and be much more favorably considered in U.S. public opinion if they stopped that garbage. America loves an underdog and loves rooting for the small guy but the Palestinians make it so incredibly difficult to feel sympathy for them that the result in US opinion is absolutely no surprise. When given a choice between a country run by democratically elected leaders (including arab legislators) and a military that’s responsible to those leaders through an organized chain of command (a country, btw, that actually contains a homegrown peace movement) versus a people organized around apparently uncontrollable violent groups dedicated to the annihilation of their opponents and wedded to the tactic of blowing up buses and pizza parlors and shopping malls full of non-combatants then the choice for most Americans is not that difficult.

Now, if the Palestinians were ever to pull their heads out of their collective asses and look around the world and see what actually works for people in a situation like theirs they might actually get somewhere. They would certainly be much farther along now if they had done that years ago. Think of all the political movements that have had success in the last 40 years while the Palestinians got nowhere because they were obsessed with their counterproductive death cult.

Here’s a little story: I came of age in the early ’70s and one of the indelible memories I’ll have in my mind for the rest of my life is of what happened at the 1972 Munich Olympic Games. If the Palestinians were under any impression whatsoever that they were going to convince me of the worthiness of their cause by shooting up the Olympic Games, taking hostages, and murdering athletes then they were sorely, sorely mistaken. The Olympics were no Garden of Eden but they did represent something good and decent in international relations and the day the Palestinians pissed all over that is the day they dug a hole for me that they’ve yet to get out of. So here’s what they could do to gain some sympathy from me - they could denounce the actions of the Munich Olympic murder squad and apologize to the families, the Olympic movement and the world for what they did to sully the Games. That would be a nice start and it wouldn’t be very hard, if they were so inclined to do it.

Of course, what many suspect is that they aren’t inclined to do that or even to live in peace next to the Israelis in any capacity whatsoever, now or in the future. Where is the incentive for Israel to pull back to the 1967 borders before the Palestinians make it crystal clear that they will not use the military advantage so gained to attempt their explicitly stated goal of pushing Israel into the sea and wiping it off the map. What sane person or group would put itself at a disadvantage with regards to an enemy and just cross its fingers and hope that the other side would play nice?

Absolutely. The best. Don’t recall “pillorying them with childish glee,” however…

Perhaps not you personally, but plenty of others have. All you neocon imperialists look alike to me.

The pretext for the invasion of Lebanon was “continued violence” by Palestinian elements. The violence amounted to one death of an Israeli soldier (illegally planting land mines) in Lebanon.

But just keep shooting the messenger.

He also likes to change the subject when he’s painted himself into a corner. If you let him get away with it.

For instance: “I don’t think you can classify the South Lebanon fighting as targeted assassination, they were after all fighting a brutal invasion and occupation.“

How is blowing up an embassy, the sanctity of which is one of the most fundamental concepts in the whole realm of international relations, part of fighting a brutal invasion? And I actually don’t remember the U.S. invading Lebanon either, for that matter.

“And the fact is that many more Palestinians Lebanese and Syrians have died at Israeli/US hands in that time, and most of them civilians.”

And that addresses the point maryatexitzero made about the Palestinians selectively assassinating U.S. officials over a period of decades how? Remember, she was specifically answering his question of how we would feel if the Palestinians assassinated our movers and shakers. She pointed out numerous examples of how it’s already happened and because that information is inconvenient to mr. confud, who I know can be logical if you force him to keep his eye on the ball, he wanders off into a whole different topic that has nothing to do with the matter at hand.

“Remember the pretext for the invasion of Lebanon? One Israeli soldier shot (whilst laying landmines) was the justification for the massacre that followed.”

If my memory serves me correctly, and I believe it does, the initiating event for the invasion of Lebanon was the attempted assassination and grievous wounding of the Israeli ambassador in London in 1982. Again, notice the theme - a complete disregard for the ancient principle of safe passage for diplomatic personnel. Citing the Lebanese invasion only reinforces marya’s point, it doesn’t weaken it.

“But either way, now you are practicing collective punishment.”

This is the result of his attempted change of topic. The discussion he responded to was about the concept of assassinating movers and shakers and since that argument didn’t go so well he’s trying a lateral move into an unrelated topic to cover his tracks. Again, though, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand and isn’t a germane response to marya’s post. Assassinating one person responsible for carrying out terrorist bombings or rocket attacks is not, in any conceivable definition, “collective punishment.” It is very specific punishment.

Absolutely. The best. Don’t recall “pillorying them with childish glee,” however…

Look, it’s clear that you have a real dislike of Israel. Been there, done that. It’s clear that most who read this blog really aren’t big fans of the “Palestinians”. So let’s agree to disagree on this one.

I’m really not certain why you continue to post, when there are only two others that regularly agree with you. Whose minds do you think you’re changing? Why waste your time and ours with what is ultimately a futile effort?

Just asking. I’ll go back to lurking again. Sorry.

How much have you given the Israelis in that time?