Comments on: First step http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/ Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:21:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1 By: neo-neocon http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29478 neo-neocon Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:28:10 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29478 See how easy? Piece of cake. See how easy? Piece of cake.

]]> By: senescentwasp http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29479 senescentwasp Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:36:06 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29479 Way to go, Neo. Way to go, Neo.

]]> By: maryatexitzero http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29480 maryatexitzero Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:15:20 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29480 Looks good! Looks good!

]]> By: Weary_G http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29481 Weary_G Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:00:23 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29481 Wow, I can feel the IQ level shooting back up already. Seriously, while it is a shame a step like this is necessary, I think it was worthwhile. Neo, as always, keep up the good work. WG Wow,

I can feel the IQ level shooting back up already.

Seriously, while it is a shame a step like this is necessary, I think it was worthwhile.

Neo, as always, keep up the good work.

WG

]]> By: stumbley http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29482 stumbley Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:33:07 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29482 Thanks. Thanks.

]]> By: ElMondoHummus http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29483 ElMondoHummus Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:40:41 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29483 Excellent, ma'am. Thank you. Just a minor point: HaloScan bans by IP address, and many internet service providers assign "dynamic" ones (meaning that they can and do change regularly). So unfortunately, there'll be a bit of work maintaining any ban because all an unwelcome commenter needs to do is wait for or force a change to their IP address. But this should be sufficient for now. I thank you for your work, and must say I'm very appreciative of the effort you dedicate to this blog. I imagine that it must feel thankless at times, but rest assured, the large majority of your audience appreciates what you're doing. Excellent, ma’am. Thank you.

Just a minor point: HaloScan bans by IP address, and many internet service providers assign “dynamic” ones (meaning that they can and do change regularly). So unfortunately, there’ll be a bit of work maintaining any ban because all an unwelcome commenter needs to do is wait for or force a change to their IP address. But this should be sufficient for now.

I thank you for your work, and must say I’m very appreciative of the effort you dedicate to this blog. I imagine that it must feel thankless at times, but rest assured, the large majority of your audience appreciates what you’re doing.

]]> By: Tatterdemalian http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29484 Tatterdemalian Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:47:29 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29484 Yay! I can comment again. Watch out for the spambots, though. Yay! I can comment again.

Watch out for the spambots, though.

]]> By: senescentwasp http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29485 senescentwasp Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:50:41 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29485 Big Hummus, I believe the current release allows banning entire IP ranges. Requires a little research with determining what ISP "owns" what ranges, but it solves the dynamic IP problem. It is much more flexible than previous releases. Shame on me, I hadn't been keeping up with it. Big Hummus, I believe the current release allows banning entire IP ranges. Requires a little research with determining what ISP “owns” what ranges, but it solves the dynamic IP problem. It is much more flexible than previous releases. Shame on me, I hadn’t been keeping up with it.

]]> By: EvilDave http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29486 EvilDave Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:57:44 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29486 So, how is this different? So, how is this different?

]]> By: Sally http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29487 Sally Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:31:44 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29487 Well, so far so good -- no obvious trolls. Which is certainly different, and reason for some satisfaction. Congrats, neo (tentatively). Well, so far so good — no obvious trolls. Which is certainly different, and reason for some satisfaction. Congrats, neo (tentatively).

]]> By: Sally http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29489 Sally Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:28:45 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29489 There went the IQ level, alas. There went the IQ level, alas.

]]> By: senescentwasp http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29490 senescentwasp Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:46:26 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29490 That's right little fella. Only if the commenter allows it. HaloScan comments doesn't recognize the Blogger profile. And, you can enter a "null" web page so that the FFM's can't find other blogs to infest. That’s right little fella. Only if the commenter allows it. HaloScan comments doesn’t recognize the Blogger profile. And, you can enter a “null” web page so that the FFM’s can’t find other blogs to infest.

]]> By: ElMondoHummus http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29491 ElMondoHummus Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:49:45 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29491 That's true, Wasp, but the problem is that banning by range isn't really efficient. A person won't necessarily get an IP adjacent to their old one (for example 206.20.20.20, then to 206.20.20.21 or .19), and some ISP's won't even have adjacent subnets. So an IP can vary wildly even within the same ISP. Not to mention the fact that doing so would run the risk of cutting off other, innocent commenters. I've seen some talk on some sites about more finely targeted comment filtering; it's really developed for spam, not trolls, but it can be applied as such. Some comment engines allow for scripts to do name matching as well, and they're squishy, so they can handle intentional misspellings, captializations, deliberate c h -an g es in sp a c ing, cAPtaLIzaTioN, and l377er/ch4r4c73r s|_|bs7iTut10n. But really, the simplest and most effective guard is registered commenters, and I don't mean like the Blogger-membership. Some blogs only allow commenters registered to that blog specifically. Really, though, I'd hate to put a bigger onus on Neo than what's already there. She's already had to do too much to deal with the incivility of others. That’s true, Wasp, but the problem is that banning by range isn’t really efficient. A person won’t necessarily get an IP adjacent to their old one (for example 206.20.20.20, then to 206.20.20.21 or .19), and some ISP’s won’t even have adjacent subnets. So an IP can vary wildly even within the same ISP. Not to mention the fact that doing so would run the risk of cutting off other, innocent commenters.

I’ve seen some talk on some sites about more finely targeted comment filtering; it’s really developed for spam, not trolls, but it can be applied as such. Some comment engines allow for scripts to do name matching as well, and they’re squishy, so they can handle intentional misspellings, captializations, deliberate c h -an g es in sp a c ing, cAPtaLIzaTioN, and l377er/ch4r4c73r s|_|bs7iTut10n. But really, the simplest and most effective guard is registered commenters, and I don’t mean like the Blogger-membership. Some blogs only allow commenters registered to that blog specifically.

Really, though, I’d hate to put a bigger onus on Neo than what’s already there. She’s already had to do too much to deal with the incivility of others.

]]> By: senescentwasp http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29488 senescentwasp Fri, 30 Jun 2006 03:44:13 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29488 Big Hummus, I agree but this is a fine first effort. I know our boys and they don't know how to expire the lease on a dynamic IP and get a new one. And, it only takes a couple of iterations to pick up the ranges an ISP is using. I have a really good basic tutorial called "Source Tracing 101" that deals specifically with excising trolls. Try Google for it. It's too long to place here and would be of little interest anyway. This method is fine grained enough for the nonce. Big Hummus, I agree but this is a fine first effort. I know our boys and they don’t know how to expire the lease on a dynamic IP and get a new one. And, it only takes a couple of iterations to pick up the ranges an ISP is using. I have a really good basic tutorial called “Source Tracing 101″ that deals specifically with excising trolls. Try Google for it. It’s too long to place here and would be of little interest anyway.

This method is fine grained enough for the nonce.

]]> By: ExPreacherMan http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29492 ExPreacherMan Fri, 30 Jun 2006 04:00:38 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29492 Neo, I miss using Haloscan.. Used it when I had Blogger but it is not available in WordPress.. Works well though and is easy. BTW -- I have a blog on the star of the new "religious" democrat party.. Barak Obama, Check it out.. ExP Neo,

I miss using Haloscan.. Used it when I had Blogger but it is not available in WordPress..

Works well though and is easy.

BTW — I have a blog on the star of the new “religious” democrat party.. Barak Obama, Check it out..

ExP

]]> By: Cappy http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29493 Cappy Fri, 30 Jun 2006 04:31:32 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29493 Ahhhh... much better. Now if I only had this feature for family gatherings. Ahhhh… much better. Now if I only had this feature for family gatherings.

]]> By: Scott http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29494 Scott Fri, 30 Jun 2006 05:23:39 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29494 testing testing testing testing testing testing

]]> By: Vanderleun http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29495 Vanderleun Fri, 30 Jun 2006 23:53:12 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29495 Please let me be your new and personal TROLL! Old Trolls in New comments! Please let me be your new and personal TROLL!

Old Trolls in New comments!

]]> By: renmin http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29496 renmin Sat, 01 Jul 2006 00:23:53 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29496 Have never used this.Ihave grown to respect your intelligence the more I have read this. Have never used this.Ihave grown to respect your intelligence the more I have read this.

]]> By: Snowonpine http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29497 Snowonpine Sat, 01 Jul 2006 01:21:40 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29497 Hope this works cause the trolls were getting pretty irritating. Hope this works cause the trolls were getting pretty irritating.

]]> By: senescentwasp http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29498 senescentwasp Sat, 01 Jul 2006 03:16:12 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29498 No, Gerard, you and I just look like trolls. You have to act like one to get filtered out. Been sending your <i>Lincoln's Land Without God</i> post all over the place. Just dropped in her to see how th troll hammer was working and to read the new post. No, Gerard, you and I just look like trolls. You have to act like one to get filtered out.

Been sending your Lincoln’s Land Without God post all over the place. Just dropped in her to see how th troll hammer was working and to read the new post.

]]> By: douglas http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29499 douglas Sat, 01 Jul 2006 14:20:11 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29499 <i>"I know our boys and they don't know how to expire the lease on a dynamic IP and get a new one."</i>-Wasp Heck, they didn't even know how to use quotation marks... Good riddance! And here's hoping some opposition with manners will make itself known- it's more fun that way. “I know our boys and they don’t know how to expire the lease on a dynamic IP and get a new one.”-Wasp

Heck, they didn’t even know how to use quotation marks…

Good riddance! And here’s hoping some opposition with manners will make itself known- it’s more fun that way.

]]> By: SCATTERSHOT http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29500 SCATTERSHOT Sat, 01 Jul 2006 18:09:26 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29500 Thanks, I am looking forward to satisfying my long unrequited urge to comment( instead of lurking ). Thanks, I am looking forward to satisfying my long unrequited urge to comment( instead of lurking ).

]]> By: Oh Blutige Hölle http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29501 Oh Blutige Hölle Sun, 02 Jul 2006 08:08:10 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29501 > Source Tracing 101 Wasp, got a link on that? I can't find any matching reference. P.S., you can bury links in HaloScrew with [broket]a Href="link here"[broket]TEXT to be hyperlinked[broket]/a[broket], for those who don't know. Broket equals the angle brackets, those two keys above the "." & "," > Source Tracing 101

Wasp, got a link on that? I can’t find any matching reference.

P.S., you can bury links in HaloScrew with
[broket]a Href=”link here”[broket]TEXT to be hyperlinked[broket]/a[broket], for those who don’t know.

Broket equals the angle brackets, those two keys above the “.” & “,”

]]> By: J.H. Bowden http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29502 J.H. Bowden Mon, 03 Jul 2006 05:00:35 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29502 Consider yourself OWNED, trolls! :) Consider yourself OWNED, trolls!
:)

]]> By: goesh http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29503 goesh Mon, 03 Jul 2006 22:58:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2006/06/29/first-step/#comment-29503 LOL at Cappy "Ahhhh... much better. Now if I only had this feature for family gatherings." LOL at Cappy “Ahhhh… much better. Now if I only had this feature for family gatherings.”

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