Hardly surprising. With so little evidence offered by France2’s accusers who can easily surmise that the instigators of the right wing attack(linked to Ariel Sharon - “Likuud France”)were following a common tactic of smear and truth through paranoid repetition.

After the murder of the Palestinian boy by the IDF the IDF apologized, admitting they were “probably” responsible.

When you consider the IDF’s more common approach to what is, unfortunately, a common occurance in the occuppied territories - denial and distortion - , the statement can be well qualified to be an admission of guilt.

And of course, the footage of the murder….

Too bad, so sad Neo.

But at least you got to see France.

Oh right, you went all the way there for a trial that noboby gives a rat’s arse about….

“This was a grave incident, an event we are all sorry about,” he told Israeli radio.

The deputy army chief of staff, Major-General Moshe Yaalon, called the boy’s death “heartrending”, but accused the Palestinians of making “cynical use” of children in clashes with Israeli troops. “

“Pallywood”?

So can we, in keeping with tradition, now say “Joollywood”??

Or would that be anti-semetic?

Jeez, I’m so confused….

Richard Landes

Despite Mr.’Confused’ Anonymous above, we do give a rat’s arse.

Be a better job if she could provide a transcript for us.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061025/ap_on_re_eu/france_suburban_violence_1

Lets remember the IDF killed 30 odd children in the first week of the intifada and fired over a million bullets - all because of some stone throwing kids.

Lets not forget the fact that Israel’s soldiers were breaking the legs and arms of children and forcing their parents to do so at gunpoint during that time - and in fact nothing has changed.

You can try to blind us all with your rightwing bullshit but it doesn’t change reality…..

Ever read Kafka’s The Trial? I read it in German as “Das Prozess” (BTW, I can’t spell in three languages). The German word has a connotation of a “Political Trial”.

There’s a good approximation of this trial’s transcript for your enjoyment.

Back to The Master Race, Herr A. Nony Moose…

I saw the film on German TV, and it was a serious investigative report that pointed out contradictions and unanswered questions about the shooting, including missing film sequences. According to today’s Franfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ), the film has not been shown in France. As I recall, Shapira looked at camera angles, firing angles, and positions of Israeli troops. They did not add up to the story that made wordwide headines, and the failure of France 2 to supply missing footage was particularly fishy.

The rule of law is indeed a precious thing; and you make us see that our
‘lack of’ that rule at times in the US does not mean the rest of the world does better. Here: worse.

Are not the law and politics (p. agendas) intertwined?

Please continue to give us your evocative prose.

(Note: Thanks, Sergey, for refuting the hate from some of the commenters here.)

As far as hate goes - you also do well to consider how hateful it is to wage campaigns aiming to undermine justice and allow crimes of the highest order to continue.

Is it hateful to point out the embarrasingly selectivity of Israel supporters who have much to say about a piece of Arab ‘propaganda’? Blood libel? What in the hell are you talking about? Do you really believe that without the France2 footage, Israel would be clean as a whistle?

The Al-durha affair(whether the footage is real or not matters very little) is far more reflective of reality than the fantasy of Israeli moral and physical exceptionalism that it’s propoganda arm have such a monopoly on(U.S media which they have far more access to). Propaganda campaigns far more morally repugnent(i.e the Gaza Beach incident - in which Israel blogs went completely potty trying to blame the Palestinians for killing their own people - and then had absolutely nothing to say when both Israeli and HRO’s sources confirmed the obvious - there are literally hundreds of other unrefutable examples.)

The Israel lobby and it’s army of hacks, attack dogs, liars and apologists are probably the most succesful and uncontroversial hate group in America.

But hey - with one, essentially meaningless(now) term word you can apparently remove any serious discussion about killing, lying and stealing.

Hey- if you can you will.

Right?

What an idiot. Does she really think that representitives from the IDF are going to involve themselves in something they were probably responsible for and allow all of the other crimes during that time(as well a before and after)to be discussed in a public forum?

But hey - here’s a chance to call into question all Israeli atrocities committed against Palestinians because they are liars(as well as all human rights groups, charities, the UN, France and your next door neighbor, the local news guy, the Democrats(or Republicans etc etc etc).

The worst part of it is that the propoganda and fanatism of that lot is making anti-semetism something to be concerned about - a self - fulfilling prophecy if you like.

And you probably do….

That means a lot coming from you.

Sniff.

If that is truly your opinion, spanks, then *it* matters very little…for it ignores the value of truth.

Hey, no prob. Anytime.

Thats a fact, by the way.

Isn’t that cute? As though Spanky/Anon cares about “facts”!? Or would know one if it bit him. Which, actually, they usually do.

Another example of “fake, but accurate” argument. Such arrogant neglect of the truth became a hallmark of leftist world view.

If you are so ignorant that do not know what blood libel is, you have no right to discuss any topics about Jews and Israel. So see, for starters, this:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel -

Who, exactly, is a member of the “Israel lobby”. I’m Irish, born Catholic and I’ve said positive things about Israel. Am I a member of this lobby? Where’s my check?

There are literally hundreds, nay, thousands of unrefutable examples of the Palestinians slaughtering their own people. The Palestinians are the most successful hate group in the world. Why are you concentrating only on the one or two possibly refutable ones?

There are thousands of unrefutable examples of Palestinians deliberately murdering Palestinian and Jewish civilians. There are thousands of unrefutable statements in which Palestinians state that their goal is to destroy the state of Israel and, through Sharia laws, to cleanse the area of Christians and all non-Muslims, as well as Jews. Now that’s, unrefutably, a hate group.

They’re so determined to kill Jews, these poor, poor oppressed people are willing to travel to Argentina. Poor, poor hate-filled Palestinians and their poor, poor oil-rich supporters. They suffer so.

Just a hairdresser who stops by now and then. I totally disagree with you about everything - but find your thinking interesting.

Only a cold ignorant fool can come to a forum discussion and write this, certainly not anyone with a tincture of social morality — of which, I hope they aren’t pretending to have any because it isn’t there.

And yes I have it.

And you do not.

What is the Israeli lobby? People who say ‘nice’ things about Israel?

No.

Go away dumb-dumb.

No it wouldn’t.

But lets say some well organzied morally defunct individuals make a fuss over some footage that is probably real so as to sow doubts about reality - so as to allow a criminal regime to continue committing crimes under a cloak of moral exceptionalism - while the country in question continues an illegal, immoral occupation of land that isn’t there and despite the law ordering it to vacate those lands.

So please, losers, don’t talk to me about social morality when you don’t even have a clue what the term means….

Rather than condemn the Israelis, you should be congratulating them for such a metaphysical triumph.

You really are pathetic.

I have seen both the Second Draft and the German analysis, and there is good indication that the al-Durah video is a fake. You’ve been shown that the IDF pulled its apology after further analysis, which you’ve ignored. You then change the goalpost from the al-Durah video to the see what else they have done, with the implied “but I’m still right about al-Durah”

The following quote from Justin Olbrantz to another person with your same issues:
“The evidence to prove true what the person already believes to be true in their mind will be substantially less than the evidence required to make a person change their mind about something. For a painfully obvious example: you consider testimony of Palestinians to be sufficient or substantial evidence that a given claim is true, while they do not; they consider the testimony of “pro-Zionist” sources to be substantial evidence that a given claim is true, while you do not. You seem to have this funny notion that some of these traits are unique to “neocons”; you obviously have not taken a basic social psychology class.”

Finally, “So please, losers, don’t talk to me about social morality when you don’t even have a clue what the term means….” further illustrates the Olbrantz quote and its application to you.

Perhaps, spanky, you should remember the adage of the mote and the log?

Since their propaganda crowd became an apologist for each and every Israeli atrocity it now need not bother - now it simply denies everything, or blames it on the Palestinians.

You need to ask yourself why it said it was “probably responsible” - after an internal investigation.

Or don’t.

Go on and be a racist piece of shit, covering up war crimes.

At least you know what you are….

It’s not relevant whatsoever to the conflict and it’s reality, and the reality of it’s propaganda arm in the U.S.

It’s not about trusting “Palestinian” sources soley over IDF.

That simply is not true.

I know you lot need to simplify things to a level consistant with your kindergarten analysis, but thats not the reason why I know that the IDF covers up it’s crimes and why it’s amen corner have a comprehensive guide for dealing with the PR fallout of Israeli crimes in the occuppied territories….

You can easily go through Neo’s archives(do it yourself) and find her opining that the Gaza beach slaughter was a hoax(and find nothing when it predicitably was another Israeli atrocity).

And you can go further and find her suggesting that all crimes reported by sources other than official Israeli sources are probably fake - “turtles” apparently.

She, like you, is a fraud, a liar and is in desperate need of a therapist to deal with issues of ’social morality’ and compulsive lying…

Neo’s right about you. “racist piece of shit”, “kindergarten analysis”, you’ve built a wall which nothing can or will get through.

Justin’s quote is of course hot air to you, how can you be so morally superior if it’s possible you have the same traits you say others have?

I did not address other acts of the IDF, that was my point. It’s not applicable to the veracity of the al-Durah film. And you immediately went on a smugly dismissive, name-calling rant rather than address the point.

I’m not the dick who traveled by plane to see a trial about the murder of a child in the occuppied territories by Israel so to excuse it and obscure the truth about what happens there.

Terrorist enabling - whatever….

Notice you still haven’t offered refutation of the German and Second Draft analysis. And you never will.

One of the things to remember about French justice- their Napoleonic Code is the opposite of ours. They believe in “Guilty until proven innocent”- not the other way around.

Look, here’s a line you can copy-and-paste until you get your feeble malevolence back: “you lot are all stupid and bad, and I am not ha ha”.

Middle America officially goes into fear mode today and Bush and the repugs will get the blame. Big time!

I smell a double impeachment. I smell a religious right mass suicide. Shouldn’t have drank the KoolAid.

save some a that coolaid for me!

Better yet, go to the quiet little square/littel park BEHIND the side of the building shown. There’s a nice bookstore there, and a few nice spots to collect oneself and read.

Place Dauphine, I think it’s named.

But a some intensive therapy wouldn’t hurt at all…..

Neil Cavuto’s: Common Sense
“Don’t Panic! Housing is Cooling Not Crashing”

How many of you people have walked through the Palestinian areas of Jerusalem?

How many of you people have been to Rumullah? And seen with your own eyes?

How many of you people support the Kurds?

An Palestinian Christian friend of mine told me once, ‘You can go and see and feel, but you don’t know what it is to live there, what it feels like to live under them, to be treated like that.’

Don’t worry, it is cultural, try and be a little more multi-cultural and understanding. That way the enemies of freedom will leave you alone, hint hint.