Comments on: Thoughts on Hillary and other female heads of state http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/ Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:33:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1 By: Ymarsakar http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19130 Ymarsakar Sat, 24 Feb 2007 02:04:39 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19130 Maybe they also think that light weights are easier to influence and manipulate, because they will owe the "biggems" more than Hillary would have. Maybe they also think that light weights are easier to influence and manipulate, because they will owe the “biggems” more than Hillary would have.

]]> By: Fausta http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19131 Fausta Sat, 24 Feb 2007 02:08:13 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19131 <i>he's "dead" in the political sense</i> Not dead yet. He might run for <a href="http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070223/OPINION/702230531/1002">Senator</a>. he’s “dead” in the political sense
Not dead yet. He might run for Senator.

]]> By: Lee http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19132 Lee Sat, 24 Feb 2007 02:43:40 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19132 In fact, Bubba could be appointed by the Governor when Hillary vacates the seat. Won't even have to run. In fact, Bubba could be appointed by the Governor when Hillary vacates the seat. Won’t even have to run.

]]> By: armchair pessimist http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19133 armchair pessimist Sat, 24 Feb 2007 03:06:23 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19133 Remember the hoopla around the simple, uncorrupted peanut farmer from Georgia? Here we go again. Maybe we'll get another Reagan out of it come 2012, but it will have to go through the Obama blues first. Remember the hoopla around the simple, uncorrupted peanut farmer from Georgia? Here we go again.

Maybe we’ll get another Reagan out of it come 2012, but it will have to go through the Obama blues first.

]]> By: Sloan http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19134 Sloan Sat, 24 Feb 2007 03:07:10 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19134 We were promised and got "two for the price of one" in 1992. I can't believe that anyone could believe that we won't be getting the same thing in 2008. Her successful nomination and her achieving the presidency will depend on how the public perceives Bill's portion of the new "partnership". Hillary is no Lurleen Wallace. I can't see her putting up with too much interference from her husband. By the same token, as much as he loves the limelight, I can't see him staying in the background for very long. As much as I dread the situation, it could be very amusing. We were promised and got “two for the price of one” in 1992. I can’t believe that anyone could believe that we won’t be getting the same thing in 2008. Her successful nomination and her achieving the presidency will depend on how the public perceives Bill’s portion of the new “partnership”. Hillary is no Lurleen Wallace. I can’t see her putting up with too much interference from her husband. By the same token, as much as he loves the limelight, I can’t see him staying in the background for very long. As much as I dread the situation, it could be very amusing.

]]> By: Harry http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19135 Harry Sat, 24 Feb 2007 06:25:44 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19135 <i>Call me naive, but I also believe she was wounded in the personal sense, as well.</i> OK. You are being very naive. The former first lady is a political calculator par excellence. She has none of her husband's charm, but every bit of his honesty. Call me naive, but I also believe she was wounded in the personal sense, as well.

OK. You are being very naive.

The former first lady is a political calculator par excellence. She has none of her husband’s charm, but every bit of his honesty.

]]> By: neo-neocon http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19136 neo-neocon Sat, 24 Feb 2007 06:33:30 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19136 Harry, I agree with your last paragraph. But I still think it doesn't preclude a certain amount of personal wounding. She thought she knew what he was capable of, but I think she was still surprised by his brinksmanship, recklessness, and total disregard for the risks, and the awful position it would place her in. I still believe that not all of those feelings were political; I think some were personal. In short, I think--on some level and in some way--she still loved him and felt betrayed, despite all her knowledge of him. As I said, call me naive. Harry, I agree with your last paragraph. But I still think it doesn’t preclude a certain amount of personal wounding. She thought she knew what he was capable of, but I think she was still surprised by his brinksmanship, recklessness, and total disregard for the risks, and the awful position it would place her in. I still believe that not all of those feelings were political; I think some were personal. In short, I think–on some level and in some way–she still loved him and felt betrayed, despite all her knowledge of him.

As I said, call me naive.

]]> By: J.H. Bowden http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19137 J.H. Bowden Sat, 24 Feb 2007 06:58:59 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19137 Obama is *not* a blank slate. Anyone from Illinois knows this. Check out my post on his Marxist record <a href="http://chicagocon.blogspot.com/2007/02/st-obama.html">here</a>. The man practically is a living Willie Horton ad. His votes present a clear picture on his economic and social views. This is like the Dems running Mondale or Dukakis again, except they're running a guy with a middle name Hussein who thinks the jihadists are benign and American force is wicked. Obama is *not* a blank slate. Anyone from Illinois knows this.

Check out my post on his Marxist record here. The man practically is a living Willie Horton ad. His votes present a clear picture on his economic and social views. This is like the Dems running Mondale or Dukakis again, except they’re running a guy with a middle name Hussein who thinks the jihadists are benign and American force is wicked.

]]> By: Assistant Village Idiot http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19138 Assistant Village Idiot Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:11:04 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19138 I recall saying in 1992 how I liked Hillary and Tipper better than their husbands during the campaign. That Mrs. Clinton seemed ambitious seemed only par for the course, and hardly a problem. My dislike for her developed in counter-reaction to her deification by some on the left. It became increasingly irritating to be told that conservatives didn't like her because she was a Strong Woman. Those of us who worshiped at the feet of Margaret Thatcher found this risible. Yet it became one of those things that people - usually but not always women - said with complete confidence, and all criticism of her was marked into that column and ignored. For some people she is as much a blank slate as Obama, as everything that she has done has had no impact on their desire to see her as representative of all Strong Women. As Eeyore so wisely said, many years ago "Pathetic. That's what it is, pathetic...As I thought. No better from this side." I recall saying in 1992 how I liked Hillary and Tipper better than their husbands during the campaign. That Mrs. Clinton seemed ambitious seemed only par for the course, and hardly a problem. My dislike for her developed in counter-reaction to her deification by some on the left. It became increasingly irritating to be told that conservatives didn’t like her because she was a Strong Woman. Those of us who worshiped at the feet of Margaret Thatcher found this risible.

Yet it became one of those things that people - usually but not always women - said with complete confidence, and all criticism of her was marked into that column and ignored. For some people she is as much a blank slate as Obama, as everything that she has done has had no impact on their desire to see her as representative of all Strong Women.

As Eeyore so wisely said, many years ago “Pathetic. That’s what it is, pathetic…As I thought. No better from this side.”

]]> By: Anonymous http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19139 Anonymous Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:58:01 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19139 <i>Obama has almost nothing </i>but<i> charisma.</i> Ah. You're underestimating Obama, which means you haven't actually attended to him. Try this. You'll be impressed, no matter what your political stripes ... http://www.barackobama.com/issues/faith/ Obama has almost nothing but charisma.

Ah. You’re underestimating Obama, which means you haven’t actually attended to him. Try this. You’ll be impressed, no matter what your political stripes …

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/faith/

]]> By: Lee http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19140 Lee Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:59:18 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19140 Oh, don't worry, anon. I've "attended" to him, and find him wanting. Oh, don’t worry, anon. I’ve “attended” to him, and find him wanting.

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19141 Ymarsakar Sun, 25 Feb 2007 00:57:21 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19141 <B>As I said, call me naive. neo-neocon | Homepage | 02.23.07 - 8:38 pm | # </b> You're not naive, you're just optimistic about human nature. In the sense that all humans can be wounded. Why do I call that optimism... hrm maybe because I tend to think of utopian views as pessimistic. The belief that humans are static, that they cannot grow, is pessimistic for me. The belief that people are fallible and can fall or climb, is optimistic to me. As I said, call me naive.
neo-neocon | Homepage | 02.23.07 - 8:38 pm | #

You’re not naive, you’re just optimistic about human nature. In the sense that all humans can be wounded. Why do I call that optimism… hrm maybe because I tend to think of utopian views as pessimistic. The belief that humans are static, that they cannot grow, is pessimistic for me. The belief that people are fallible and can fall or climb, is optimistic to me.

]]> By: Al Fin http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19142 Al Fin Sun, 25 Feb 2007 03:14:43 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19142 Yes, neo, you are naive. Hillary's calculator works very well, and nothing Bill did as President surprised the calculating lady. She may have hoped for better, but realistically, her calculator would never lead her to expect better. As for Obama, Hillary will use whatever is necessary to squash the annoying flea. She may need the support of those who actually take Obama seriously, so she will not bring out the heavy hardware unless she absolutely must. If Obama demands the scorched earth treatment, Hillary is capable of dispensing it, and dealing with the consequences as required. Yes, neo, you are naive. Hillary’s calculator works very well, and nothing Bill did as President surprised the calculating lady. She may have hoped for better, but realistically, her calculator would never lead her to expect better.

As for Obama, Hillary will use whatever is necessary to squash the annoying flea. She may need the support of those who actually take Obama seriously, so she will not bring out the heavy hardware unless she absolutely must. If Obama demands the scorched earth treatment, Hillary is capable of dispensing it, and dealing with the consequences as required.

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19143 Ymarsakar Sun, 25 Feb 2007 03:33:38 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19143 Hillary knew that Monica didn't want to testify. Even her calculations are not 100% accurate. Hillary knew that Monica didn’t want to testify. Even her calculations are not 100% accurate.

]]> By: probligo http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19144 probligo Sun, 25 Feb 2007 04:24:55 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19144 What about Bandaranaika (Sri Lanka?) The present Head of government (forgotten the name) of Iceland? Both were elected to office. And you might like to consider Auntie Helen in NZ - four elections on the trot. What about Bandaranaika (Sri Lanka?)

The present Head of government (forgotten the name) of Iceland?

Both were elected to office.

And you might like to consider Auntie Helen in NZ - four elections on the trot.

]]> By: jgr http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19145 jgr Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:42:06 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19145 Of course, Bill was always aware of his Kennedy-esque stature!? Nonetheless, it says so much about the desperate shape of American leadership politics that we even turned to him in the beginning. And were willing to turn our heads whenever he did as he pleased, with whomever he pleased. Or that his wife, simply and only because of her relationship, could be elected Senator, not of Arkansas, but New York! Or that she should presume that SHE must CERTAINLY deserve the Presidential office. And that WE must EVEN consider it! It says a lot about Clinton hubris. And even more about the disordered state of American public life. Of course, Bill was always aware of his Kennedy-esque stature!? Nonetheless, it says so much about the desperate shape of American leadership politics that we even turned to him in the beginning. And were willing to turn our heads whenever he did as he pleased, with whomever he pleased.
Or that his wife, simply and only because of her relationship, could be elected Senator, not of Arkansas, but New York!

Or that she should presume that SHE must CERTAINLY deserve the Presidential office. And that WE must EVEN consider it!

It says a lot about Clinton hubris.

And even more about the disordered state of American public life.

]]> By: Jone Lewis http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19146 Jone Lewis Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:48:07 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19146 Interesting perspective (and thanks for the cite). You might want to change an unintentionally-ironic link on this posting for Margaret Thatcher -- as of today, it goes to a biography of Leona Helmsley. Interesting perspective (and thanks for the cite).

You might want to change an unintentionally-ironic link on this posting for Margaret Thatcher — as of today, it goes to a biography of Leona Helmsley.

]]> By: Poole http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19147 Poole Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:09:12 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19147 As first husband, Bill Clinton would probably conduct frequent, if not regular, press conferences. IF he is also a US Seantor, then his press conferences would be more popular than the pressers held by the White House. How would Hillary feel if the cable news devotes 1 minute to her statements and 5 minutes to those of her husband? Being upstaged by Bill - again - would be himiliating when it is not useful to her. My guess is that if Hillary is elected, Bill would prefer being an Ambassador-at-large so that he can be the face of the administration to the rest of the world. As first husband, Bill Clinton would probably conduct frequent, if not regular, press conferences. IF he is also a US Seantor, then his press conferences would be more popular than the pressers held by the White House.

How would Hillary feel if the cable news devotes 1 minute to her statements and 5 minutes to those of her husband? Being upstaged by Bill - again - would be himiliating when it is not useful to her.

My guess is that if Hillary is elected, Bill would prefer being an Ambassador-at-large so that he can be the face of the administration to the rest of the world.

]]> By: neo-neocon http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19148 neo-neocon Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:55:58 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19148 Jone Lewis: Thanks. Link fixed. Jone Lewis: Thanks. Link fixed.

]]> By: renmin http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19149 renmin Mon, 26 Feb 2007 05:10:57 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19149 "Possible corruption" on the part of Hillary? You are way too kind.She did in a year what is rarely done in a lifetime by a commodity trader.Buys skates and learns how to skate on Saturday.Wins Gold medal on Sunday.I say this as a successful trader. Hillary’s deal was a commodity scam.Her patron was a lawyer for Tyson Chicken, who allocated some of his his winning trades to her.The firm used was REFCO which was fined by the authorities at the time for poor record keeping. This was a bribe and an ill disguised one at that.The Feb.20 1955 National Review had an analysis of this.http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n3_v47/ai_1670 9018 “Possible corruption” on the part of Hillary? You are way too kind.She did in a year what is rarely done in a lifetime by a commodity trader.Buys skates and learns how to skate on Saturday.Wins Gold medal on Sunday.I say this as a successful trader. Hillary’s deal was a commodity scam.Her patron was a lawyer for Tyson Chicken, who allocated some of his his winning trades to her.The firm used was REFCO which was fined by the authorities at the time for poor record keeping. This was a bribe and an ill disguised one at that.The Feb.20 1955 National Review had an analysis of this.http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n3_v47/ai_1670 9018

]]> By: renmin http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19150 renmin Mon, 26 Feb 2007 05:13:36 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-19150 Date wrong.Feb.1995 National Review.It is too easy to be sloppy. Date wrong.Feb.1995 National Review.It is too easy to be sloppy.

]]> By: la regione calabria http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-32776 la regione calabria Sun, 01 Apr 2007 17:41:29 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-32776 <strong>la regione calabria...</strong> neo-neocon » Blog Archive » Thoughts on Hillary and other female... la regione calabria…

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]]> By: Pajamas Media » Does Bill Harbor Ill Will Towards Hill? http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-67643 Pajamas Media » Does Bill Harbor Ill Will Towards Hill? Tue, 13 May 2008 07:34:32 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/02/23/thoughts-on-hillary-and-other-female/#comment-67643 [...] majority of previous female heads of state (with the exceptions of Margaret Thatcher and Gold Meir) have come by their jobs through their personal rather than professional relationships with men in power, either father or [...] […] majority of previous female heads of state (with the exceptions of Margaret Thatcher and Gold Meir) have come by their jobs through their personal rather than professional relationships with men in power, either father or […]

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