Throughout our travels, we never once heard Carter referred to as anything but a buffoon and fool. It was clear the Europeans we met held him in very low esteem indeed.

I’d clarify your statement, Neo, naming Carter as the “worst President ever”—leaving off the “ex”.

But Neo… why wouldn’t a strong man be elected democratically like Hitler? Oh wait, Hitler wasn’t elected via popular vote. Never mind.

Do you get like a sense that a lot of popular preconceptions are just wrong, Neo? That they are just mind pudding to be manipulated by Leftist operators? I do.

The [Chavez] government did everything—including granting citizenship to half a million illegal aliens in a crude vote-buying scheme and “migrating” existing voters away from their local election office—to fix the results in its favor

Something about that sounds familiar for a reason… do you have any ideas Neo?

And Jimmy Carter was his willing enabler, either a pious dupe or a fraud himself.

The Navy named a submarine after him for a reason, neo. I think it is rather transparent if you consider the job of a submarine. As opposed to a carrier.

Would that Carter would stick to it, as well.

Hell is paved with good intentions. We know that. But what the hell is paved with bad intentions?

Mussolini at least made the trains run on time, Neo, unlike Bush. Extremism is very efficient. Moderation, not so much…

Maybe Carter’s following the Hypocrite’s Oath?

Why, then, is there always wreckage in Carter’s wake? Why would Iran seize our embassy when Carter was so conscientious about not throwing America’s weight around? Why would the Soviet communists invade Afghanistan when Carter was so accomodating in arms control talks? Why would Hugo Chavez seize power for life and incessantly denounce the United States after Jimmy Carter endorsed his fishy election? Why do “good” people make bad things happen?

Because they try to force the square peg of altruism into the round hole of reality. The problem with altruism is precisely that it precludes selfish behavior as the standard of morality. Acting in one’s self-interest alone or in conjunction with other individuals in the form of a nation, the United States for example, is considered something outside the realm of morality, an unseemly necessity or plainly immoral. How dare you spend your money on luxuries for yourself when others are starving?. How dare Americans pursue prosperity when people in other countries lack sustenance? How can you moralize an economic system?

The perversion of morality that permits Carter to successfully masquerade as an ambassador-at-large for human rights is mind boggling. I never liked Carter but the more I learn about him the more I actually hate him for being evil and getting away with it–at least in the MSM/PR/culural zeitgeist sense.

I probably won’t live long enough to see altruism repudiated by mainstream society, but I will live long enough see the MSM noticeably fail to compare the crowds at Carter’s state funeral to those of his successor, who was only marginally less altruistic.

Amazing is the tenacity of the Enlightment ideals in an American public that has been deluged with socialism for a century by its intellectuals; it encourages optimism about the prospects a morality that is compatible with human life. Thankfully, the heavy lifting has been done in the identification of a valid ethics,
The Virtue of Selfishness

I wrote about it a year ago. http://assistantvillageidiot.blogspot.com/2006/02/osullivans-law-hits-habitat-for.html

As to the Venezuelan elections, why would the accuracy of the votes make any difference to Carter anymore? Once the Sandanistas lost, Carter’s group has become progressively less rigorous.

And though he tries to portray himself as altruistic, he is not that either. Altruism does not explain his actions any better than incompetency does.

The left would have you believe that they are altruistic because they want to take MY money and give it to someone else.

This is not altruism. This is theft.

As soon as anyone on the ‘left’ gives up enough of their money to be existing at a standard of living LOWER than that of the people they want to tax (me), then they can talk to me about my money.

The Venezuelan opposition say the election was rigged?

Oh boy - stop the press.

Pure rubbish. Wouldn’t be the first(or last)time they’ve said that.

Very poor stuff, Neo. That I don’t agree with you on most issues is hardly news - but you usually back up what you say, ast least, with credible sources. Not here - just Horowitz-style, grade-school propaganda.

And the get Carter thing gets a little old - particularly with the lack of any logical explanations, evidence or merit…

Not likely to win many friends on the Christian Zionist right or the oil elite - but as I say - accurate and honest…

Well doesn’t that just say it all - lol…..

How dare you spend your money on luxuries for yourself when others are starving?. How dare Americans pursue prosperity when people in other countries lack sustenance? How can you moralize an economic system?
Matthew M | 02.23.07 - 9:51 pm | #

I’ve read several of Ayn Rand’s books and also Terry Goodkind’s (which is the closest fiction analogy given Goodkind’s beliefs in Rand’s philosophy).

You phrase things quite well in relation to Chavez and Carter.

Well doesn’t that just say it all - lol…..
TC | 02.24.07 - 2:10 pm | #

Those who don’t understand philosophy are only able to see the shallow stream.

Carter is one of the most honest, and intelligent Presidents we’ve had - and certainly one of the bravest ex-Pres’- which is where most of the unfounded hate comes from(giving honest and accurate accounts in Venezuela and Israel).

Is he your court jester or something Lady Neo?

Not blanket assertions - facts.

Not that you would know any different, Sally.

You don’t really know anything about Venezuela, Chavez or the 20004 referendum anyway.

But clearly your not scrolling down anyway, lol….

Not to clever, girl…

2)Fact. The poll Neo refers to was only poll that had the opposition leader ahead - contrary to Zogby and the associated press - among others.

3)Fact. It wasn’t only Carter who verified the results - it was also the OAS. Further the Bush administration accepted and acknowledged that Chavez legimately won.

4)Fact. Sally thinks if she types a really clever, insulting rebuttle it will cover up just how little she knows about the topic(and generally any topic).

It doesn’t.

But notice how often she resorts to this?

Poor Sally… taking such pride from being the board attack hound… sad really…

Bush also did that for Gore when he phoned him to admit defeat.

You aren’t incoherent, TC, you just seem to confuse facts with interpretations of facts. For example, how can Carter be honest when he doesn’t even recognize the evil that he sees face to face everyday? He can’t be honest with folks if he isn’t honest with himself.

I’m taking about Chavez’s democratic victory in every referendum and election since he’s been in power…

Bush accepted the election of Al Gore? Offically? No kidding - that I didn’t know.

Gee, I wonder if Al ever forgave Bush for supporting a CIA-sponsered coup against the Academy award nominee?

That crazy Bush….

Debating?

Go away little boy.

“Or what”??

What.

What a moron…..

It goes without saying that when you are talking about the facts, you aren’t talking about the facts? Really.

I’m taking about Chavez’s democratic victory in every referendum and election since he’s been in power…

Since democratic victory is an opinion and not a factual event, are you again talking about the “facts” and confusing them with your opinionated interpretations and conclusions?

Your opinion that a democracy has one guy winning always is… not a fact, it is confusion over what is fact and what is fiction.

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Neo isn’t a kindergarten teacher, people. What is this pre-school?

oh wait. Did you know that kinder in german means child? So that would make kindergarten, garden of children. Neo has a garden, but not that kind of garden.

Actually, no.

The fact is that Venezuelan elections are democratic - and have been approved of by various international monitors, organziations and governments(including the U.S). There has been - another fact - various claims by the opposition(including U.S leaders)that these elections have not been democratic. And yet another fact is that all such claims have been rejected from a lack of evidence. So some can say Chavez isn’t the democratically elected leader of Venezuela - just as they can say the moon is made of swiss cheese. However , both suffer from a lack of evidence and so we call them unproven, and unsubstantiated claims.

“Your opinion that a democracy has one guy winning always is… not a fact, it is confusion over what is fact and what is fiction.”

No sir. That isn’t my opinion at all - which is a fact. Nor is there anything in my writing that indicates that. So your claim about my opinion would, of course, be fiction.

But I’m sure, being that you are so very clever, that is what you meant to say…

Which she must be aware of since she provided the link for the Wikipedia entry on the 2004 referendum, which explains the claims I’ve made and many more that provide more than enough to call into question the “straight” accusations being levied at Chavez…

I must say, that was good for a laugh, TC. I can just imagine what I’ll generously call the “thought” process going through your so-called mind:

“Let’s see, I’m relentlessly demonizing a small Jewish state in the midst of brutal corrupt thugocracies calling for its destruction, but I don’t want people to think I’m antisemitic … GOT IT! I’ll blame it on the ‘Christian right’, that way I get a twofer! I gratuitously slam Christians while I still get everyone with an IQ under 65 to think that Jews don’t support Israel, therefore I’m not an antisemite! Haha.”

One of the best things about being Jewish is that antisemites are always such a bunch of nitwits, losers and misf*cks.

No kidding? Boy, almost makes me wish I was jewish, Gary.

No sh**t….

But your right - the Israel lobby - those right wing jews - certainly are the one’s demonizing Carter with false accusations and even more false premises about Israel.

The one’s who were petitioning members of congress to remove “apartheid” from the title of Carter’s book.

Or the one’s who view him as ‘dangerous’. Why, they don’t say…but the old peanut farmer is ‘dangerous’ apparently….

So in the end, Hugo was democratically elected because of TC”s interpretation of the facts.

To cut through all the logic chains.

“A Statistical Approach to Assess Referendum
Results: the Venezuelan Recall Referendum 2004
Maria M. Febres Cordero and Bernardo M´arquez
Independent Consultants, CCS 6854, Miami, FL33172-5032, USA. E-mail: fecodelco@yahoo.com,
bb marquezz@yahoo.es

Summary
This article presents a statistical approach to assess the coherence of official results of referendum
processes. The statistical analysis described is divided in four phases, according to the methodology used
and the corresponding results:
(1) Initial Study, (2) Quantification of irregular certificates of election, (3) Identification of irregular
voting centers and (4) Estimation of recall referendum results.
The technique of cluster analysis is applied to address the issue of heterogeneity of the parishes with
respect to their political preferences.
The Venezuelan recall referendum 2004 is the case study we used to apply the proposed methodology,
based on the data published by the “Consejo Nacional Electoral” (CNE-National Electoral Council).
Finally, we present the conclusions of the study which we summarize as follows: The percentage of
irregular certificates of election is between 22.2% and 26.5% of the total; 18% of the voting centers show
an irregular voting pattern in their certificates of election, the votes corresponding to this irregularity are
around 2,550,000; The result estimate, using the unbiased votes as representative of the population for
the percentage of YES votes against President Ch´avez is 56.4% as opposed to the official result of 41%.”
Emphasis added.

This is the fraud Carter “certified”.

You don’t even have the slightest clue what the above means let alone any knowledge of Venezuela politics.

No - wiki isn’t the definite source on any topic - but it does give you a good general outline of the major issues on a topic. And you go from there.

So Gary -cut the crap. You aren’t impressing anybody….

Chavez was democratically elected. The best evidence, the majority of educated analysis - indicates he was fairly and democratically elected.

That IS a fact.

Having become as predictable as any other robot troll, TC really isn’t worth bothering with any more. But it is kind of funny/sad to see him trying to transfer his own bewilderment to others.

If you did you’d be able to paraphrase it’s meaning and explain how it shows the referendum was ‘fixed’.

It’s funny how ‘everyone’ here has such a strong opinion of things they don’t know about…

B

I think not, DQ. Clearly they’re both agents of the international zionist neocon plot to destroy the planet — starting with casting doubt on the validity of the Venezuelan recall referendum of 2004. Connect the dots, people!