Comments on: Democrats and Republican: civil rights and history http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/14/democrats-and-republican-civil-rights-and-history/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:31:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: IgotBupkis http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/14/democrats-and-republican-civil-rights-and-history/#comment-186064 IgotBupkis Tue, 14 Sep 2010 09:44:23 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/14/democrats-and-republican-civil-rights-and-history/#comment-186064 I seem to recall a Buckley column from some years ago wherein he was discussing being in Liberia at a showing of Amistad. What struck him most odd was that the audience, mostly black, was cheering for the shipmasters, not the rebellious slaves. The nearest he could figure, (and this is clearly an assumption, only offered as a possible answer) was that black people, more than whites, seem to be more authoritarian in their thought processes. They care more about the (ahem!) color of authority than they are of the color of their authorities. If the data supported this, it would explain a lot about how they might be so toxic in their attitudes towards freedom. I seem to recall a Buckley column from some years ago wherein he was discussing being in Liberia at a showing of Amistad. What struck him most odd was that the audience, mostly black, was cheering for the shipmasters, not the rebellious slaves.

The nearest he could figure, (and this is clearly an assumption, only offered as a possible answer) was that black people, more than whites, seem to be more authoritarian in their thought processes. They care more about the (ahem!) color of authority than they are of the color of their authorities.

If the data supported this, it would explain a lot about how they might be so toxic in their attitudes towards freedom.

]]> By: Cobra http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/14/democrats-and-republican-civil-rights-and-history/#comment-97651 Cobra Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:24:16 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/14/democrats-and-republican-civil-rights-and-history/#comment-97651 Exactly WHY would a conscious minority, not on the payroll of, or an agent for, or under threat of penalty from an oppressive majority, vote to continue his or her own oppression? Why is this so hard for my white conservative friends to comprehend? --Cobra Exactly WHY would a conscious minority, not on the payroll of, or an agent for, or under threat of penalty from an oppressive majority, vote to continue his or her own oppression?

Why is this so hard for my white conservative friends to comprehend?

–Cobra

]]> By: Danny Lemieux http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/14/democrats-and-republican-civil-rights-and-history/#comment-30968 Danny Lemieux Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:21:40 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/14/democrats-and-republican-civil-rights-and-history/#comment-30968 The 19th Century Democrats kept black Americans cowed and dependent under their thumb with slavery and lynchings. The 20th Century Democrats kept black Americans cowed and dependent with welfare entitlements. Of course they hate black American intellectuals - they dared to be free. The 19th Century Democrats kept black Americans cowed and dependent under their thumb with slavery and lynchings. The 20th Century Democrats kept black Americans cowed and dependent with welfare entitlements. Of course they hate black American intellectuals – they dared to be free.

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]]> By: terri http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/14/democrats-and-republican-civil-rights-and-history/#comment-30844 terri Fri, 16 Mar 2007 05:58:16 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/14/democrats-and-republican-civil-rights-and-history/#comment-30844 ft.comYou might find this article interesting. Are neo-cons history? By Jacob Weisberg Published: March 14 2007 19:17 | Last updated: March 14 2007 19:17 http://www.ft.com/cms/s/dc14fd96-d25c-11db-a7c0-000b5df10621.html ft.comYou might find this article interesting.

Are neo-cons history?

By Jacob Weisberg

Published: March 14 2007 19:17 | Last updated: March 14 2007 19:17

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/dc14fd96-d25c-11db-a7c0-000b5df10621.html

]]> By: renminbi http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/14/democrats-and-republican-civil-rights-and-history/#comment-30841 renminbi Fri, 16 Mar 2007 04:50:34 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/14/democrats-and-republican-civil-rights-and-history/#comment-30841 Orville Wright,but Orval Faubus.C-Span's Booknotes had on a biographer of Faubus , stated that Faubus' only big regret was accidentally running over his dog. Orville Wright,but Orval Faubus.C-Span’s Booknotes had on a biographer of Faubus , stated that Faubus’ only big regret was accidentally running over his dog.

]]> By: jng http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/14/democrats-and-republican-civil-rights-and-history/#comment-30826 jng Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:25:58 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/14/democrats-and-republican-civil-rights-and-history/#comment-30826 neo, I am a big fan of David Hackett Fischer. He revises the historical revisionists. Sometime you may want to try "Albion's Seed," a large volume that reads well. Fischer's thoughts about the roots of Jacksonian America and the roots of Jeffersonian (Virginian) America are worth pondering. Because of this historian, and others, I am disinclined to accept the popular views about today's political parties, or the history of such parties. Indeed you point out some obvious discrepancies. I suspect the rat in the woodpile is (as been discussed before) Marxism, which has effectively ended the American basis of the Democratic party. When Hillary and the Kennedys and the black leaders bombast, they are speaking from alien roots that are not American. Racism is a favorite Marxist game. By painting America as a racist, imperial power ( with Vietnam as the chief example) Demo-marxists were able to gain the 'upper moral hand' in political, social, and judicial debate during the 60's. Their victory can be seen in many ways. Even to the point of social engineering, now a matter of policy in many areas of American life. Today the success of their cause is visible in the power to effectively demonize or negate any player or group in American public life by simply using 'racist' 'sexist,' other Marxist category. Can an European-idea elite control the future of a free democratic people through the manipulation of the press, courts, and academia? We are discovering if it can. A race is a terrible thing to waste. Many black Americans know this reality only too well from the policies of the Demo-marxists since the 60's. Hillary, much as her husband or Ted Kennedy, would flee debate with Alan Keyes or LaShawn Barber. As you say (my paraphrase) educated black Americans offend Marxist thought and are virtual traitors in the eyes of the Democratic party. neo, I am a big fan of David Hackett Fischer. He revises the historical revisionists. Sometime you may want to try “Albion’s Seed,” a large volume that reads well. Fischer’s thoughts about the roots of Jacksonian America and the roots of Jeffersonian (Virginian) America are worth pondering.

Because of this historian, and others, I am disinclined to accept the popular views about today’s political parties, or the history of such parties. Indeed you point out some obvious discrepancies.

I suspect the rat in the woodpile is (as been discussed before) Marxism, which has effectively ended the American basis of the Democratic party. When Hillary and the Kennedys and the black leaders bombast, they are speaking from alien roots that are not American.

Racism is a favorite Marxist game. By painting America as a racist, imperial power ( with Vietnam as the chief example) Demo-marxists were able to gain the ‘upper moral hand’ in political, social, and judicial debate during the 60′s. Their victory can be seen in many ways.

Even to the point of social engineering, now a matter of policy in many areas of American life.

Today the success of their cause is visible in the power to effectively demonize or negate any player or group in American public life by simply using ‘racist’ ‘sexist,’ other Marxist category.
Can an European-idea elite control the future of a free democratic people through the manipulation of the press, courts, and academia? We are discovering if it can.

A race is a terrible thing to waste. Many black Americans know this reality only too well from the policies of the Demo-marxists since the 60′s. Hillary, much as her husband or Ted Kennedy, would flee debate with Alan Keyes or LaShawn Barber.
As you say (my paraphrase) educated black Americans offend Marxist thought and are virtual traitors in the eyes of the Democratic party.

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/14/democrats-and-republican-civil-rights-and-history/#comment-30823 Ymarsakar Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:07:55 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/14/democrats-and-republican-civil-rights-and-history/#comment-30823 We do have to remember that Lincoln died before he could affect the reconstruction of the South. Equality was set back because revolutionaries killed a Republican leader, which brought in a Democrat, Andrew Johnson, which was always a sympathizer for the South. This sustained cultural resentments, that war was supposed to have solved for the most part. Now the KKK saw a way to get what they want, another way. Politically and intimidation wise. The blacks were de facto under the influence of the Democrats. And like East Germany, that has a long effect on political alliances. It doesn't matter what is in people's best interests, if they live in a place controlled by those that try to keep them down. We do have to remember that Lincoln died before he could affect the reconstruction of the South.

Equality was set back because revolutionaries killed a Republican leader, which brought in a Democrat, Andrew Johnson, which was always a sympathizer for the South.

This sustained cultural resentments, that war was supposed to have solved for the most part. Now the KKK saw a way to get what they want, another way. Politically and intimidation wise.

The blacks were de facto under the influence of the Democrats. And like East Germany, that has a long effect on political alliances. It doesn’t matter what is in people’s best interests, if they live in a place controlled by those that try to keep them down.

]]> By: SteveH http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/14/democrats-and-republican-civil-rights-and-history/#comment-30819 SteveH Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:50:28 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/14/democrats-and-republican-civil-rights-and-history/#comment-30819 Maybe the "biggoted" southerner saw some things coming down the pipe that others just couldnt see. Like the fact that black would soon cease describing a race and instead describe a political position that was vehemently anti white. Like the fact that if whites werent careful how they went about integration and making amends, their own feelings of guilt would be used to unknowingly keep the black family from meaningful contributions for generations to come. Maybe there was no clean cut way to resolve relations after an institution like slavery. I cant help but think that if we had the foresight to see where we would be today, we would have gone about things a little differently. The phrase "tough love" comes to mind. Maybe the “biggoted” southerner saw some things coming down the pipe that others just couldnt see. Like the fact that black would soon cease describing a race and instead describe a political position that was vehemently anti white. Like the fact that if whites werent careful how they went about integration and making amends, their own feelings of guilt would be used to unknowingly keep the black family from meaningful contributions for generations to come.

Maybe there was no clean cut way to resolve relations after an institution like slavery. I cant help but think that if we had the foresight to see where we would be today, we would have gone about things a little differently. The phrase “tough love” comes to mind.

]]> By: camojack http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/14/democrats-and-republican-civil-rights-and-history/#comment-30815 camojack Thu, 15 Mar 2007 05:30:14 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/14/democrats-and-republican-civil-rights-and-history/#comment-30815 Those who fail to learn from history... Those who fail to learn from history…

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