Comments on: Iran: the proud hostage-taking tradition and the rules of engagement http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/26/iran-the-proud-hostage-taking-tradition-and-the-rules-of-engagement/ Tue, 22 May 2012 04:55:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Lee http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/26/iran-the-proud-hostage-taking-tradition-and-the-rules-of-engagement/#comment-32570 Lee Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:25:38 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/26/iran-the-proud-hostage-taking-tradition-and-the-rules-of-engagement/#comment-32570 Still have your nazi foot in your mouth, TC? How typical. It always comes back to the "joooos" with you, doesn't it? Now, I understand why you want Iran or someone else to destroy Israel, after all, Israel has existed and continues to exist for close to 59 years now, while the Third Reich barely held on for 12. It just sticks in your nazi craw, doesn't it, TC? Still have your nazi foot in your mouth, TC? How typical. It always comes back to the “joooos” with you, doesn’t it? Now, I understand why you want Iran or someone else to destroy Israel, after all, Israel has existed and continues to exist for close to 59 years now, while the Third Reich barely held on for 12. It just sticks in your nazi craw, doesn’t it, TC?

]]> By: TC http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/26/iran-the-proud-hostage-taking-tradition-and-the-rules-of-engagement/#comment-32560 TC Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:44:03 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/26/iran-the-proud-hostage-taking-tradition-and-the-rules-of-engagement/#comment-32560 "Congratulations, TC, that’s the most twisted reasoning I’ve seen so far on the net. We should fight asymetric warfare asymetrically - well, if we want to win, that is. You don’t want us to win, so your reasoning, twisted or not, is irrelevant." Funny - I think you display the most twisted 'logic' imaginable if you think we should be at war with Iran. There's really no reason for that at all(certainly isn't in our interests or the world in general) - except that certain influential Jewish Americans think we should. And of course those who think we should destroy anyone just because we can. Long on the propaganda and lies - short on the truth and justice - which is what concerns me more than 'winning'. What would we be winning exactly? “Congratulations, TC, that’s the most twisted reasoning I’ve seen so far on the net.

We should fight asymetric warfare asymetrically – well, if we want to win, that is. You don’t want us to win, so your reasoning, twisted or not, is irrelevant.”

Funny – I think you display the most twisted ‘logic’ imaginable if you think we should be at war with Iran.

There’s really no reason for that at all(certainly isn’t in our interests or the world in general) – except that certain influential Jewish Americans think we should. And of course those who think we should destroy anyone just because we can.

Long on the propaganda and lies – short on the truth and justice – which is what concerns me more than ‘winning’.

What would we be winning exactly?

]]> By: Daniel in Brookline http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/26/iran-the-proud-hostage-taking-tradition-and-the-rules-of-engagement/#comment-32483 Daniel in Brookline Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:00:06 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/26/iran-the-proud-hostage-taking-tradition-and-the-rules-of-engagement/#comment-32483 I find myself at a loss to understand the British Admiral. His job is to <i>fight</i>... unless he has diplomatic credentials I'm unaware of. What on Earth happened here? I'm reminded -- by contrast -- of the time that Teddy Roosevelt responded to an American kidnapped overseas with the demand that the American be returned, alive -- or the kidnapper, dead. I don't think that would work here. Terrorists, by definition, do not respect human life, including their own side; making threats against Iranians, diplomats or not, are not likely to get much of a response. (Not from the Iranians, that is. The West's news media would certainly have something to say about it.) Instead, I'd suggest that Britain plan to hit 'em where it hurts. I'd like to see Mr. Blair announce that Iran had 48 hours to deliver the 15 British sailors, alive and unharmed, to them -- after which, for each day that passed, another Iranian oil field would be put to the torch, until the sailors returned. Let him say it publicly -- and warn Iranians to stay away from the oil fields. I can think of several reasons why we probably won't see this. But I sure would like to be proven wrong. respectfully, Daniel in Brookline I find myself at a loss to understand the British Admiral. His job is to fight… unless he has diplomatic credentials I’m unaware of. What on Earth happened here?

I’m reminded — by contrast — of the time that Teddy Roosevelt responded to an American kidnapped overseas with the demand that the American be returned, alive — or the kidnapper, dead.

I don’t think that would work here. Terrorists, by definition, do not respect human life, including their own side; making threats against Iranians, diplomats or not, are not likely to get much of a response. (Not from the Iranians, that is. The West’s news media would certainly have something to say about it.)

Instead, I’d suggest that Britain plan to hit ‘em where it hurts. I’d like to see Mr. Blair announce that Iran had 48 hours to deliver the 15 British sailors, alive and unharmed, to them — after which, for each day that passed, another Iranian oil field would be put to the torch, until the sailors returned. Let him say it publicly — and warn Iranians to stay away from the oil fields.

I can think of several reasons why we probably won’t see this. But I sure would like to be proven wrong.

respectfully,
Daniel in Brookline

]]> By: mary http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/26/iran-the-proud-hostage-taking-tradition-and-the-rules-of-engagement/#comment-32464 mary Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:08:34 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/26/iran-the-proud-hostage-taking-tradition-and-the-rules-of-engagement/#comment-32464 <i>The whole idea of internal politics in today Russia is based on what I would call “phoney cold war”, that is arrogant, sometimes aggressive empty rhetoric toward the West and especially toward US.</i> US policy is also based on the same phoney cold war concept. I don't know why both sides are still clinging to their old cold war ideas. Probably because it's what they've done for decades - habit.. The whole idea of internal politics in today Russia is based on what I would call “phoney cold war”, that is arrogant, sometimes aggressive empty rhetoric toward the West and especially toward US.

US policy is also based on the same phoney cold war concept. I don’t know why both sides are still clinging to their old cold war ideas. Probably because it’s what they’ve done for decades – habit..

]]> By: mary http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/26/iran-the-proud-hostage-taking-tradition-and-the-rules-of-engagement/#comment-32463 mary Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:05:03 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/26/iran-the-proud-hostage-taking-tradition-and-the-rules-of-engagement/#comment-32463 <i>Yeah mary - the Bush administration is seen by a majority of the country(I’d wager) as an illegimate regime too - but I don’t think the same majority would think car bombing top republican leaders would go over too well.</i> Congratulations, TC, that's the most twisted reasoning I've seen so far on the net. We should fight asymetric warfare asymetrically - well, if we want to win, that is. You don't want us to win, so your reasoning, twisted or not, is irrelevant. Yeah mary – the Bush administration is seen by a majority of the country(I’d wager) as an illegimate regime too – but I don’t think the same majority would think car bombing top republican leaders would go over too well.

Congratulations, TC, that’s the most twisted reasoning I’ve seen so far on the net.

We should fight asymetric warfare asymetrically – well, if we want to win, that is. You don’t want us to win, so your reasoning, twisted or not, is irrelevant.

]]> By: TC http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/26/iran-the-proud-hostage-taking-tradition-and-the-rules-of-engagement/#comment-32460 TC Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:01:18 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/26/iran-the-proud-hostage-taking-tradition-and-the-rules-of-engagement/#comment-32460 Tatter (insert hysterical laugh track here). Oh boy - that's good, brother. Your still mired in 2002 I see. Well good for you.... Tatter (insert hysterical laugh track here).

Oh boy – that’s good, brother.

Your still mired in 2002 I see.

Well good for you….

]]> By: TC http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/26/iran-the-proud-hostage-taking-tradition-and-the-rules-of-engagement/#comment-32459 TC Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:58:31 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/26/iran-the-proud-hostage-taking-tradition-and-the-rules-of-engagement/#comment-32459 "You gotta love the left’s instant and automatic assumption that if the Iranians call themselves diplomats, they are, and any US military action, an arrogant, thuggish, blatant disregard for international law." Or the right's instant and automatic assumption than if we say anything it must be true too. Oh right, nobody believes that anymore...... “You gotta love the left’s instant and automatic assumption that if the Iranians call themselves diplomats, they are, and any US military action, an arrogant, thuggish, blatant disregard for international law.”

Or the right’s instant and automatic assumption than if we say anything it must be true too.

Oh right, nobody believes that anymore……

]]> By: TC http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/26/iran-the-proud-hostage-taking-tradition-and-the-rules-of-engagement/#comment-32458 TC Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:55:45 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/26/iran-the-proud-hostage-taking-tradition-and-the-rules-of-engagement/#comment-32458 Yeah mary - the Bush administration is seen by a majority of the country(I'd wager) as an illegimate regime too - but I don't think the same majority would think car bombing top republican leaders would go over too well. Maybe Tom Delay. Oh he's 'retired'. Any of the one's who aren't in jail or 'retired', then... Yeah mary – the Bush administration is seen by a majority of the country(I’d wager) as an illegimate regime too – but I don’t think the same majority would think car bombing top republican leaders would go over too well.

Maybe Tom Delay.

Oh he’s ‘retired’.

Any of the one’s who aren’t in jail or ‘retired’, then…

]]> By: Sally http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/26/iran-the-proud-hostage-taking-tradition-and-the-rules-of-engagement/#comment-32449 Sally Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:38:19 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/26/iran-the-proud-hostage-taking-tradition-and-the-rules-of-engagement/#comment-32449 SG: <i>I can only hope that one day you can look back on the garbage you spout now and feel some sense of shame at the ridiculous nonsense you believed, and how little you actually knew about the world.</i> Unsolicited advice: try reciting that while looking into a mirror. SG: I can only hope that one day you can look back on the garbage you spout now and feel some sense of shame at the ridiculous nonsense you believed, and how little you actually knew about the world.

Unsolicited advice: try reciting that while looking into a mirror.

]]> By: Tatterdemalian http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/26/iran-the-proud-hostage-taking-tradition-and-the-rules-of-engagement/#comment-32414 Tatterdemalian Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:12:02 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/03/26/iran-the-proud-hostage-taking-tradition-and-the-rules-of-engagement/#comment-32414 TC is really arguing that people who <a href="http://billroggio.com/archives/2007/01/iranian_quds_force_a.php" rel="nofollow">invade a foreign nation using false documents</a> are actually "diplomats" and any building they're launching attacks on that nation's troops from a "consulate," regardless of whether the hosting nation declares it one? Even we neocons don't go that far in justifying the invasion of Iraq. Then the left wonders why people trust Fox News more than them these days. TC is really arguing that people who invade a foreign nation using false documents are actually “diplomats” and any building they’re launching attacks on that nation’s troops from a “consulate,” regardless of whether the hosting nation declares it one?

Even we neocons don’t go that far in justifying the invasion of Iraq. Then the left wonders why people trust Fox News more than them these days.

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