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		<title>By: gameboys 2007</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/03/how-to-talk-to-the-enemy-first-understand-its-an-enemy/#comment-34219</link>
		<dc:creator>gameboys 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/03/how-to-talk-to-the-enemy-first-understand-its-an-enemy/#comment-33109</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent point, neo, and I look forward to your follow-up.  I see it as an especially useful point today, because of John Kerry&#039;s perception about Pelosi&#039;s trip to chat with dictators.  (Can find the link now, but I blogged about it today, so it&#039;s somewhere on my site.)  

Kerry remains committed to the belief that, if we just sit down and have a nice, cozy little kaffe klatch with those committed to our destruction, we&#039;ll show them what nice people we are, and everything will be okey-dokey.  It seems to be a particularly Democratic failing, because I can&#039;t escape the memories of both Roosevelt and Truman being charmed by old &quot;Uncle&quot; Joe Stalin, mass murderer extraordinaire. 

I think it would surprise the conversationalists on the Left mightily if they could finally be brought to understand that some particularly bad people perceive cozy discussions as a sign of weakness, not as an opening for fruitful negotiation.  As you said of your therapy sessions, reframing only works amongst people of a certain amount of good will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent point, neo, and I look forward to your follow-up.  I see it as an especially useful point today, because of John Kerry&#8217;s perception about Pelosi&#8217;s trip to chat with dictators.  (Can find the link now, but I blogged about it today, so it&#8217;s somewhere on my site.)  </p>
<p>Kerry remains committed to the belief that, if we just sit down and have a nice, cozy little kaffe klatch with those committed to our destruction, we&#8217;ll show them what nice people we are, and everything will be okey-dokey.  It seems to be a particularly Democratic failing, because I can&#8217;t escape the memories of both Roosevelt and Truman being charmed by old &#8220;Uncle&#8221; Joe Stalin, mass murderer extraordinaire. </p>
<p>I think it would surprise the conversationalists on the Left mightily if they could finally be brought to understand that some particularly bad people perceive cozy discussions as a sign of weakness, not as an opening for fruitful negotiation.  As you said of your therapy sessions, reframing only works amongst people of a certain amount of good will.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 04:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Between NeoN and Dr. Sanity, I&#039;m seeing the same themes over and over.  This could be tiring, but instead it&#039;s forcing me to think, think, think ... and I&#039;ve had a thought.

The Loonytunes Left (LtL) seems determined to blame their own civilization for something.  Blame ourselves, blame ourselves, blame ourselves.  One can almost hear in this the old declaration &lt;i&gt;Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa&lt;/i&gt;.  All the old sins they have declared to be virtues, but they have this voice whispering in their ear that they have some &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt; wrong.  And so they answer it.  They find the place where they haven&#039;t gone far enough, where they haven&#039;t carried the &quot;New Virtues&quot; far enough, and they hammer that one place, and keep hammering, louder and louder, to drown out any voice that says the the old virtues are the real ones, and the new ones just false gods, idols made by men to serve the desires (distinct from the &lt;i&gt;needs&lt;/i&gt;) of their creators.  And the voice keeps whispering &lt;i&gt;Contrition&lt;/i&gt;, and so they demand greater and greater exercises of their new virtues, not only from themselves, but from everyone around them, determined to keep the sinners around them from falling back into the unthinkable &lt;i&gt;old&lt;/i&gt; virtues that they have forsaken.

And that is why the LtL and the Islamofascists so often seem to be reading the same playbook.  Each abhors the real virtues, and is determined to silence and destroy them so that they may substitute their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Between NeoN and Dr. Sanity, I&#8217;m seeing the same themes over and over.  This could be tiring, but instead it&#8217;s forcing me to think, think, think &#8230; and I&#8217;ve had a thought.</p>
<p>The Loonytunes Left (LtL) seems determined to blame their own civilization for something.  Blame ourselves, blame ourselves, blame ourselves.  One can almost hear in this the old declaration <i>Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa</i>.  All the old sins they have declared to be virtues, but they have this voice whispering in their ear that they have some <i>something</i> wrong.  And so they answer it.  They find the place where they haven&#8217;t gone far enough, where they haven&#8217;t carried the &#8220;New Virtues&#8221; far enough, and they hammer that one place, and keep hammering, louder and louder, to drown out any voice that says the the old virtues are the real ones, and the new ones just false gods, idols made by men to serve the desires (distinct from the <i>needs</i>) of their creators.  And the voice keeps whispering <i>Contrition</i>, and so they demand greater and greater exercises of their new virtues, not only from themselves, but from everyone around them, determined to keep the sinners around them from falling back into the unthinkable <i>old</i> virtues that they have forsaken.</p>
<p>And that is why the LtL and the Islamofascists so often seem to be reading the same playbook.  Each abhors the real virtues, and is determined to silence and destroy them so that they may substitute their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/03/how-to-talk-to-the-enemy-first-understand-its-an-enemy/#comment-32988</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 02:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, tell me, UB, how&#039;s that &quot;harmonic convergence&quot; working out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, tell me, UB, how&#8217;s that &#8220;harmonic convergence&#8221; working out?</p>
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		<title>By: The Unknown Blogger</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/03/how-to-talk-to-the-enemy-first-understand-its-an-enemy/#comment-32947</link>
		<dc:creator>The Unknown Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sfgate.comMore misinformation. The Iranian &quot;spies&quot; were not released yesterday, a missing Iranian diplomat &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/04/05/MNG78P35H31.DTL&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;resurfaced:&quot;&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Some experts suggested there was a bit more trade-off behind the release than either side was publicly admitting. They noted the sudden release this week of an Iranian diplomat abducted in Iraq two months ago -- Iran had alleged U.S. involvement in his disappearance, which the United States denied -- and a report by IRNA that Iran will gain access to five Iranians captured during a U.S. raid on their office in Irbil in January. Until now, they have not been allowed to meet with Iranian diplomats.&quot;

&quot;U.S. officials called the diplomat&#039;s resurfacing a coincidence. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack confirmed Wednesday that the United States had received a request for access to the five detainees, but said he did not know if that request had been approved.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

A one-for-15 swap hardly seems like something anyone would consider a fair trade.

Sorry guys, but it looks like you&#039;ll have to wait a little longer for WWIII. In the mean time you can get back to playing &quot;Wing Commander&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sfgate.comMore misinformation. The Iranian &#8220;spies&#8221; were not released yesterday, a missing Iranian diplomat <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/04/05/MNG78P35H31.DTL" rel="nofollow">&#8220;resurfaced:&#8221;</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;Some experts suggested there was a bit more trade-off behind the release than either side was publicly admitting. They noted the sudden release this week of an Iranian diplomat abducted in Iraq two months ago &#8212; Iran had alleged U.S. involvement in his disappearance, which the United States denied &#8212; and a report by IRNA that Iran will gain access to five Iranians captured during a U.S. raid on their office in Irbil in January. Until now, they have not been allowed to meet with Iranian diplomats.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;U.S. officials called the diplomat&#8217;s resurfacing a coincidence. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack confirmed Wednesday that the United States had received a request for access to the five detainees, but said he did not know if that request had been approved.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>A one-for-15 swap hardly seems like something anyone would consider a fair trade.</p>
<p>Sorry guys, but it looks like you&#8217;ll have to wait a little longer for WWIII. In the mean time you can get back to playing &#8220;Wing Commander&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;For all we know, it could have been the releasing yesterday of Iranian spies caught in Iraq, by the American’s that done it trick.&lt;/i&gt;

I doubt it and sincerely hope not. That would only invite more hostage taking by Iran. Cause you know its not like Iran is not going to give up sending &#039;emissaries&#039; to Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;For all we know, it could have been the releasing yesterday of Iranian spies caught in Iraq, by the American’s that done it trick.</i></p>
<p>I doubt it and sincerely hope not. That would only invite more hostage taking by Iran. Cause you know its not like Iran is not going to give up sending &#8216;emissaries&#8217; to Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Courtney Hamilton</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/03/how-to-talk-to-the-enemy-first-understand-its-an-enemy/#comment-32938</link>
		<dc:creator>Courtney Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 07:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UB,

It&#039;s not entirely self-evident that British diplomacy was the decisive factor as to why the Iranian authorities decided to release the captured soldiers. For all we know, it could have been the releasing yesterday of Iranian spies caught in Iraq, by the American&#039;s that done it trick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UB,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not entirely self-evident that British diplomacy was the decisive factor as to why the Iranian authorities decided to release the captured soldiers. For all we know, it could have been the releasing yesterday of Iranian spies caught in Iraq, by the American&#8217;s that done it trick.</p>
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		<title>By: harry</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/03/how-to-talk-to-the-enemy-first-understand-its-an-enemy/#comment-32926</link>
		<dc:creator>harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UB:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;Sometimes you guys sound like a bunch of teenagers who’ve been playing too many videogames.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Now, now, UB...That kind of rhetoric is un-helpful and counter-productive towards the discussion of ideas. Rather, you should try to be more tolerant of other peoples points of view, and really, just listen and be open to new thoughts, new ideas.

Only in this way, can we be more fruitful in our discussions of the issues and then we can all learn from them and grow and be like really fantastic people. We are not going to get there with you calling us a bunch of teenagers, which is really unfair and hurtful and mean spirited.

Let us all move forward in the spirit of togetherness.

Peace out!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UB:<br />
<i>&#8220;Sometimes you guys sound like a bunch of teenagers who’ve been playing too many videogames.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Now, now, UB&#8230;That kind of rhetoric is un-helpful and counter-productive towards the discussion of ideas. Rather, you should try to be more tolerant of other peoples points of view, and really, just listen and be open to new thoughts, new ideas.</p>
<p>Only in this way, can we be more fruitful in our discussions of the issues and then we can all learn from them and grow and be like really fantastic people. We are not going to get there with you calling us a bunch of teenagers, which is really unfair and hurtful and mean spirited.</p>
<p>Let us all move forward in the spirit of togetherness.</p>
<p>Peace out!!</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unknown, you are the one who sounds young and &quot;naive&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unknown, you are the one who sounds young and &#8220;naive&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it would work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it would work.</p>
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