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]]> By: greeneyeshade http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/10/only-the-shadow-sy-hersh-knows-or-doesnt-know-or-something-like-that/#comment-33726 greeneyeshade Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:40:01 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/10/only-the-shadow-sy-hersh-knows-or-doesnt-know-or-something-like-that/#comment-33726 I've mentioned this elsewhere, but a couple of years back, Hersh told the Columbia Journalism Review that Bush had gone to war in Iraq to divert attention from Enron and other corporate scandals. He didn't appear to be kidding, he offered no evidence and the Review didn't ask him for any _ not that I expected them to. But this explains a lot to me, and not about Bush. I’ve mentioned this elsewhere, but a couple of years back, Hersh told the Columbia Journalism Review that Bush had gone to war in Iraq to divert attention from Enron and other corporate scandals. He didn’t appear to be kidding, he offered no evidence and the Review didn’t ask him for any _ not that I expected them to. But this explains a lot to me, and not about Bush.

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/10/only-the-shadow-sy-hersh-knows-or-doesnt-know-or-something-like-that/#comment-33568 Ymarsakar Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:16:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/10/only-the-shadow-sy-hersh-knows-or-doesnt-know-or-something-like-that/#comment-33568 <b>You do understand that there is no US military solution to chaos that BushCo unleashed don’t you?</b> The military solution to chaos is to kill anyone who resists and impose martial law to fill in the vacuum. <b>The only chance that a civil war can be quelled in Iraq is with the regional participation of its neighboring countries.</b> The only chance you will have of living to see the shore again, is if you rely upon those who know how to swim, to get you to land without you drowning. The United States Marine Corps already knows how to swim, they don't need help from you or Iran. <b>It is utterly shameless and childish to try to shift the blame to those who warned you off this atrocity in its infancy.</b> Don't act like narcissists warn people to help them. Narcissists "warn" people in order to destroy them and bring them down. You do understand that there is no US military solution to chaos that BushCo unleashed don’t you?

The military solution to chaos is to kill anyone who resists and impose martial law to fill in the vacuum.

The only chance that a civil war can be quelled in Iraq is with the regional participation of its neighboring countries.

The only chance you will have of living to see the shore again, is if you rely upon those who know how to swim, to get you to land without you drowning. The United States Marine Corps already knows how to swim, they don’t need help from you or Iran.

It is utterly shameless and childish to try to shift the blame to those who warned you off this atrocity in its infancy.

Don’t act like narcissists warn people to help them. Narcissists “warn” people in order to destroy them and bring them down.

]]> By: Bravo Romeo Delta http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/10/only-the-shadow-sy-hersh-knows-or-doesnt-know-or-something-like-that/#comment-33528 Bravo Romeo Delta Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:41:31 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/10/only-the-shadow-sy-hersh-knows-or-doesnt-know-or-something-like-that/#comment-33528 Sam, You make a lot of assertions which aren't borne out particularly well in the last 4,000 years of armed organized warfare. You might want to expand on the arguments a little bit more than just providing assertion by fiat as a means of supporting your statements. The other thing that you may also wish to consider with all of the "BushCo" talk you seem to relish, is that Presidents don't lose wars - nations lose wars. In a supreme fit of BDS, you seem intent on cutting off your nose to spite Bush's face. BRD Sam,

You make a lot of assertions which aren’t borne out particularly well in the last 4,000 years of armed organized warfare. You might want to expand on the arguments a little bit more than just providing assertion by fiat as a means of supporting your statements.

The other thing that you may also wish to consider with all of the “BushCo” talk you seem to relish, is that Presidents don’t lose wars – nations lose wars. In a supreme fit of BDS, you seem intent on cutting off your nose to spite Bush’s face.

BRD

]]> By: Lee http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/10/only-the-shadow-sy-hersh-knows-or-doesnt-know-or-something-like-that/#comment-33523 Lee Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:16:36 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/10/only-the-shadow-sy-hersh-knows-or-doesnt-know-or-something-like-that/#comment-33523 You do understand the Mahdi army is "choking", not me. You do understand the Mahdi army is “choking”, not me.

]]> By: Lee http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/10/only-the-shadow-sy-hersh-knows-or-doesnt-know-or-something-like-that/#comment-33522 Lee Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:14:05 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/10/only-the-shadow-sy-hersh-knows-or-doesnt-know-or-something-like-that/#comment-33522 You do understand the more evidence of success of the current "surge" operations, the more the lefties insist we've already lost. You do understand the participation of neighboring countries incites the "civil war". You do understand the troops could be home tomorrow by not funding them. You do understand the more evidence of success of the current “surge” operations, the more the lefties insist we’ve already lost. You do understand the participation of neighboring countries incites the “civil war”. You do understand the troops could be home tomorrow by not funding them.

]]> By: sam http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/10/only-the-shadow-sy-hersh-knows-or-doesnt-know-or-something-like-that/#comment-33519 sam Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:34:38 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/10/only-the-shadow-sy-hersh-knows-or-doesnt-know-or-something-like-that/#comment-33519 You do understand that this occupation of Iraq is unsustainable by the US don't you? You do understand that there is no US military solution to chaos that BushCo unleashed don't you? There is but one chance, a slim one at that, to diminish the catastrophe in Iraq and that is a timeline for pull out from Iraq. The only chance that a civil war can be quelled in Iraq is with the regional participation of its neighboring countries. But they will not participate so long as we have an open-ended comment to saying in Iraq because they understand that they violence will continue as long as we stay and their efforts would be for naught. You do undertsnad that there is not a chance in hell of shifting the blame to those who oppose the occupation don't you? The supporters of BushCo will always be seen as the instigators of the Iraq catastrophe and everything that flows from it. It is utterly shameless and childish to try to shift the blame to those who warned you off this atrocity in its infancy. Perhaps most importantly few and fewer Americans buy that nonsense. You do understand that this occupation of Iraq is unsustainable by the US don’t you? You do understand that there is no US military solution to chaos that BushCo unleashed don’t you? There is but one chance, a slim one at that, to diminish the catastrophe in Iraq and that is a timeline for pull out from Iraq.

The only chance that a civil war can be quelled in Iraq is with the regional participation of its neighboring countries. But they will not participate so long as we have an open-ended comment to saying in Iraq because they understand that they violence will continue as long as we stay and their efforts would be for naught.

You do undertsnad that there is not a chance in hell of shifting the blame to those who oppose the occupation don’t you? The supporters of BushCo will always be seen as the instigators of the Iraq catastrophe and everything that flows from it. It is utterly shameless and childish to try to shift the blame to those who warned you off this atrocity in its infancy. Perhaps most importantly few and fewer Americans buy that nonsense.

]]> By: Bravo Romeo Delta http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/10/only-the-shadow-sy-hersh-knows-or-doesnt-know-or-something-like-that/#comment-33514 Bravo Romeo Delta Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:06:56 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/10/only-the-shadow-sy-hersh-knows-or-doesnt-know-or-something-like-that/#comment-33514 Sam, The odds of you taking to heart any notion put forth here lie somewhere between zero and simply not visible without advanced scientific instruments, but when you wrote: <blockquote>You supported the invasion of another country and the murder of its countrymen just to prove that the US can really rack up a body count. Was it worth the price listed above?</blockquote> You might want to read some of the Ancient, Musty texts on warfare, in particular, Thucydides, and consider the role of "The Will to Power" and its relationship to establishing the credibility of deterrence, and what effect <i>that</i> has in preventing war. I mean the whole notion of Sic vis pacem, para bellum (If you would have peace, prepare for war) is true and all, but skips a lot of the fundamentals of the sort that your question above, however inexpertly, brings forward. Regards, BRD Sam,

The odds of you taking to heart any notion put forth here lie somewhere between zero and simply not visible without advanced scientific instruments, but when you wrote:

You supported the invasion of another country and the murder of its countrymen just to prove that the US can really rack up a body count. Was it worth the price listed above?

You might want to read some of the Ancient, Musty texts on warfare, in particular, Thucydides, and consider the role of “The Will to Power” and its relationship to establishing the credibility of deterrence, and what effect that has in preventing war. I mean the whole notion of Sic vis pacem, para bellum (If you would have peace, prepare for war) is true and all, but skips a lot of the fundamentals of the sort that your question above, however inexpertly, brings forward.

Regards,

BRD

]]> By: harry http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/10/only-the-shadow-sy-hersh-knows-or-doesnt-know-or-something-like-that/#comment-33513 harry Thu, 12 Apr 2007 03:41:58 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/10/only-the-shadow-sy-hersh-knows-or-doesnt-know-or-something-like-that/#comment-33513 <i>"No. I want neither. I want to limit the damage that BushCo has done."</i> Since you've already indicated a complete lack of regard for the lives of the people in Iraq once we leave, it couldnt be about limiting damage. Or were you referring to your own moral convictions again? Yes, thats what this is about. “No. I want neither. I want to limit the damage that BushCo has done.”

Since you’ve already indicated a complete lack of regard for the lives of the people in Iraq once we leave, it couldnt be about limiting damage.

Or were you referring to your own moral convictions again?

Yes, thats what this is about.

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