Comments on: Yeltsin, Humpty Dumpty, and the death of naivete http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/27/yeltsin-humpty-dumpty-and-the-death-of-naivete/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:46:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: gammamcc http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/27/yeltsin-humpty-dumpty-and-the-death-of-naivete/#comment-34940 gammamcc Tue, 08 May 2007 06:58:26 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/27/yeltsin-humpty-dumpty-and-the-death-of-naivete/#comment-34940 It is all coming together for me. The neo-cons are well aware of the fall of the Roman Empire and are well aware of it to the historical letter. Those such as Rove and gang know that their work leads to a similar downfall for the US. Yet, that is what they wish for our country. They are taking delight in the power to destroy our great country and in the fact that they can live very rich up until this downfall. This is the same evil that ugly people take when they set out to kill stuff, as do ignorant people who are ugly inside and out, who like to abuse, torturing or even killing things innocent or beautiful only because they can. These ugly loser jerks in power are taking away power from the working and middle classes so as to tune in to their own ugliness, inside and out. The sooner people (including the media and the phony flag waving tories) realize it, the better. It is all coming together for me. The neo-cons are well aware of the fall of the Roman Empire and are well aware of it to the historical letter. Those such as Rove and gang know that their work leads to a similar downfall for the US. Yet, that is what they wish for our country. They are taking delight in the power to destroy our great country and in the fact that they can live very rich up until this downfall. This is the same evil that ugly people take when they set out to kill stuff, as do ignorant people who are ugly inside and out, who like to abuse, torturing or even killing things innocent or beautiful only because they can. These ugly loser jerks in power are taking away power from the working and middle classes so as to tune in to their own ugliness, inside and out.

The sooner people (including the media and the phony flag waving tories) realize it, the better.

]]> By: Anon Y. Mous http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/27/yeltsin-humpty-dumpty-and-the-death-of-naivete/#comment-34686 Anon Y. Mous Wed, 02 May 2007 11:37:10 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/27/yeltsin-humpty-dumpty-and-the-death-of-naivete/#comment-34686 "There are more powers than temporal." What, is he going to call Jesus and ask him to come down and beat up people? But please, continue. I do enjoy your melodramatic attempts to turn a blog comment into an ominous, dun-dun-dun moment, as if this were actually a serious affair and as if you were not a very young man whose world view seems shaped by videogames, action movies, and science fiction novels. “There are more powers than temporal.”

What, is he going to call Jesus and ask him to come down and beat up people?

But please, continue. I do enjoy your melodramatic attempts to turn a blog comment into an ominous, dun-dun-dun moment, as if this were actually a serious affair and as if you were not a very young man whose world view seems shaped by videogames, action movies, and science fiction novels.

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/27/yeltsin-humpty-dumpty-and-the-death-of-naivete/#comment-34666 Ymarsakar Wed, 02 May 2007 04:16:47 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/27/yeltsin-humpty-dumpty-and-the-death-of-naivete/#comment-34666 <b>Odd behavior from a supposedly “power-hungry” man.</b> There are more powers than temporal. Odd behavior from a supposedly “power-hungry” man.

There are more powers than temporal.

]]> By: Danny Lemieux http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/27/yeltsin-humpty-dumpty-and-the-death-of-naivete/#comment-34544 Danny Lemieux Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:41:37 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/27/yeltsin-humpty-dumpty-and-the-death-of-naivete/#comment-34544 "When “liberal empires” become deadly is when the imperial class and the ruled are perceived by the former to be “racially” different. That’s when you get racist dehumanization. All sorts of atrocities then become possible". Hmmmm....This must be "whitey racist" theory of man's inhumanity to man. It certainly explains Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Idi Amin, Bokassa, Mugabe...doesn't it? Or does it? “When “liberal empires” become deadly is when the imperial class and the ruled are perceived by the former to be “racially” different. That’s when you get racist dehumanization. All sorts of atrocities then become possible”.

Hmmmm….This must be “whitey racist” theory of man’s inhumanity to man. It certainly explains Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Idi Amin, Bokassa, Mugabe…doesn’t it? Or does it?

]]> By: sergey http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/27/yeltsin-humpty-dumpty-and-the-death-of-naivete/#comment-34500 sergey Sun, 29 Apr 2007 16:39:14 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/27/yeltsin-humpty-dumpty-and-the-death-of-naivete/#comment-34500 I do not see here any atrocites; this sounds as usual provision of British common law that every defendant entitled to be tried by juriors of his own social class and race, to exclude prejudices. This practice widely used now in US; hardly ever black defendant can be tried by whites only jury, and vice versa. This is a matter of cognizance, too; hardly those born in Calcutta could objectively understand true motives and conditions of those born in London. In racial terms, Hindus belong to indo-european group, much more close to Brits than Hungarians to Germans or Germans to Jews. I do not see here any atrocites; this sounds as usual provision of British common law that every defendant entitled to be tried by juriors of his own social class and race, to exclude prejudices. This practice widely used now in US; hardly ever black defendant can be tried by whites only jury, and vice versa. This is a matter of cognizance, too; hardly those born in Calcutta could objectively understand true motives and conditions of those born in London. In racial terms, Hindus belong to indo-european group, much more close to Brits than Hungarians to Germans or Germans to Jews.

]]> By: Deshawn Q. Williams http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/27/yeltsin-humpty-dumpty-and-the-death-of-naivete/#comment-34494 Deshawn Q. Williams Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:44:03 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/27/yeltsin-humpty-dumpty-and-the-death-of-naivete/#comment-34494 britannica.com<i>King Leopold in no sense was an enlightened man, and empire is fully compatible with personal freedom. The best example is Ausro-Hungarian Empire, the most free and liberal multicultural society in continental Europe in 18 and 19 centuries. The first country that gave Jews citizen rights, very liberal in its cultural, religeous and national policies; it produced magnificient art styles in every branch of art and literature, the Viennese Modern, and such people as Einstein, Freud, Kafka, Musil… the best modern schools in philosophy, psychology, science, music and so on. The very atmosphere of this empire was attractive to European intellectuals of every origin. It proved beyond doubt that “liberal empire” is not an oxymoron.</i> The Austro-Hungarian empire, for the most part, was an empire of white people over white people. When "liberal empires" become deadly is when the imperial class and the ruled are perceived by the former to be "racially" different. That's when you get racist dehumanization. All sorts of atrocities then become possible. In the British colonial administration in India, no Englishman could be tried by "native" magistrates -- they could only be tried by "whites": " in the history of India, a controversial measure proposed in 1883 that sought to allow senior Indian magistrates to preside over cases involving British subjects in India. The bill, severely weakened by compromise, was enacted by the Indian Legislative Council on Jan. 25, 1884. The bitter controversy surrounding the measure deepened antagonism between British and Indians and was a prelude to the formation of the Indian National Congress the following year. "British subjects in 1873 had been exempted from trial by Indian magistrates, and in cases involving death or transportation they could only be tried by a high court. But by 1883 the viceroy, Lord Ripon, proposed to make British subjects amenable to sessions courts, over which Indians were now senior enough in the civil service to preside. This proposal as embodied in the Ilbert Bill provoked furious protests, especially among the Calcutta European business community and the [British] Bengal indigo planters; and there was covert sympathy from many officials. A compromise was reached by which a British subject could claim a jury, half of which would be Europeans. The new Westernized Indian middle class felt itself slighted by this arrangement, and the incident did much to give Indian national feeling a political form." Source: Encyclopedia Britannica Online, http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9000900/Ilbert-Bill britannica.comKing Leopold in no sense was an enlightened man, and empire is fully compatible with personal freedom. The best example is Ausro-Hungarian Empire, the most free and liberal multicultural society in continental Europe in 18 and 19 centuries. The first country that gave Jews citizen rights, very liberal in its cultural, religeous and national policies; it produced magnificient art styles in every branch of art and literature, the Viennese Modern, and such people as Einstein, Freud, Kafka, Musil… the best modern schools in philosophy, psychology, science, music and so on. The very atmosphere of this empire was attractive to European intellectuals of every origin. It proved beyond doubt that “liberal empire” is not an oxymoron.

The Austro-Hungarian empire, for the most part, was an empire of white people over white people.

When “liberal empires” become deadly is when the imperial class and the ruled are perceived by the former to be “racially” different. That’s when you get racist dehumanization. All sorts of atrocities then become possible.

In the British colonial administration in India, no Englishman could be tried by “native” magistrates — they could only be tried by “whites”:

” in the history of India, a controversial measure proposed in 1883 that sought to allow senior Indian magistrates to preside over cases involving British subjects in India. The bill, severely weakened by compromise, was enacted by the Indian Legislative Council on Jan. 25, 1884. The bitter controversy surrounding the measure deepened antagonism between British and Indians and was a prelude to the formation of the Indian National Congress the following year.

“British subjects in 1873 had been exempted from trial by Indian magistrates, and in cases involving death or transportation they could only be tried by a high court. But by 1883 the viceroy, Lord Ripon, proposed to make British subjects amenable to sessions courts, over which Indians were now senior enough in the civil service to preside. This proposal as embodied in the Ilbert Bill provoked furious protests, especially among the Calcutta European business community and the [British] Bengal indigo planters; and there was covert sympathy from many officials. A compromise was reached by which a British subject could claim a jury, half of which would be Europeans. The new Westernized Indian middle class felt itself slighted by this arrangement, and the incident did much to give Indian national feeling a political form.”

Source: Encyclopedia Britannica Online,

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9000900/Ilbert-Bill

]]> By: sergey http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/27/yeltsin-humpty-dumpty-and-the-death-of-naivete/#comment-34491 sergey Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:02:25 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/27/yeltsin-humpty-dumpty-and-the-death-of-naivete/#comment-34491 King Leopold in no sense was an enlightened man, and empire is fully compatible with personal freedom. The best example is Ausro-Hungarian Empire, the most free and liberal multicultural society in continental Europe in 18 and 19 centuries. The first country that gave Jews citizen rights, very liberal in its cultural, religeous and national policies; it produced magnificient art styles in every branch of art and literature, the Viennese Modern, and such people as Einstein, Freud, Kafka, Musil... the best modern schools in philosophy, psychology, science, music and so on. The very atmosphere of this empire was attractive to European intellectuals of every origin. It proved beyond doubt that "liberal empire" is not an oxymoron. King Leopold in no sense was an enlightened man, and empire is fully compatible with personal freedom. The best example is Ausro-Hungarian Empire, the most free and liberal multicultural society in continental Europe in 18 and 19 centuries. The first country that gave Jews citizen rights, very liberal in its cultural, religeous and national policies; it produced magnificient art styles in every branch of art and literature, the Viennese Modern, and such people as Einstein, Freud, Kafka, Musil… the best modern schools in philosophy, psychology, science, music and so on. The very atmosphere of this empire was attractive to European intellectuals of every origin. It proved beyond doubt that “liberal empire” is not an oxymoron.

]]> By: Around The Sphere April 28, 2007 | The Moderate Voice http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/27/yeltsin-humpty-dumpty-and-the-death-of-naivete/#comment-34490 Around The Sphere April 28, 2007 | The Moderate Voice Sun, 29 Apr 2007 10:24:44 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/27/yeltsin-humpty-dumpty-and-the-death-of-naivete/#comment-34490 [...] Boris Yeltsin Passed From The Scene and Neo-neocon has a interesting take on Yeltsin, Russia and Iraq. A tiny taste 4 U: Although it’s a child’s nursery rhyme, the [...] [...] Boris Yeltsin Passed From The Scene and Neo-neocon has a interesting take on Yeltsin, Russia and Iraq. A tiny taste 4 U: Although it’s a child’s nursery rhyme, the [...]

]]> By: sergey http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/27/yeltsin-humpty-dumpty-and-the-death-of-naivete/#comment-34486 sergey Sun, 29 Apr 2007 09:41:23 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/27/yeltsin-humpty-dumpty-and-the-death-of-naivete/#comment-34486 "Odd behavior from a supposedly “power-hungry” man." In oriental tradition it is not odd. It is like current situation in Iran, where formal leadership is a puppet of shadowy "spiritual leaders", or in Soviet Union, where real power was in hands of Communist Party Politburo, while formal government posts occupied by their creatures, and even in Politburo the Second Secretary (Suslov) has vastly more influence than marasmic General Secretary Brezhnev. “Odd behavior from a supposedly “power-hungry” man.”

In oriental tradition it is not odd. It is like current situation in Iran, where formal leadership is a puppet of shadowy “spiritual leaders”, or in Soviet Union, where real power was in hands of Communist Party Politburo, while formal government posts occupied by their creatures, and even in Politburo the Second Secretary (Suslov) has vastly more influence than marasmic General Secretary Brezhnev.

]]> By: alphie http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/27/yeltsin-humpty-dumpty-and-the-death-of-naivete/#comment-34485 alphie Sun, 29 Apr 2007 07:55:13 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/27/yeltsin-humpty-dumpty-and-the-death-of-naivete/#comment-34485 I don't think the Americans who favor a withdrawl from Iraq lack patience. I think they look at the Iraq War and see "Dead Eyes." I don’t think the Americans who favor a withdrawl from Iraq lack patience.

I think they look at the Iraq War and see “Dead Eyes.”

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