Comments on: Hillary and Ségolène: compare and contrast http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/03/hillary-and-segolene-compare-and-contrast/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:28:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: J.H. Bowden http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/03/hillary-and-segolene-compare-and-contrast/#comment-34912 J.H. Bowden Mon, 07 May 2007 04:59:07 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/03/hillary-and-segolene-compare-and-contrast/#comment-34912 "I return to my original stance of ignoring you" Well, you *are* ignorant, so ignoring arguments you don't like is right up your alley. ;) “I return to my original stance of ignoring you”

Well, you *are* ignorant, so ignoring arguments you don’t like is right up your alley.

;)

]]> By: sergey http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/03/hillary-and-segolene-compare-and-contrast/#comment-34909 sergey Mon, 07 May 2007 04:05:31 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/03/hillary-and-segolene-compare-and-contrast/#comment-34909 He won election, but not with a large margin. To win France is another story, and I am not sure he will succeed. He won election, but not with a large margin. To win France is another story, and I am not sure he will succeed.

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/03/hillary-and-segolene-compare-and-contrast/#comment-34902 Ymarsakar Sun, 06 May 2007 22:07:57 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/03/hillary-and-segolene-compare-and-contrast/#comment-34902 Hey Neo, now that Sarko has won, does this mean we shouldn't make fun of the French anymore? I'm really really concerned about that. Hey Neo, now that Sarko has won, does this mean we shouldn’t make fun of the French anymore? I’m really really concerned about that.

]]> By: Anon Y. Mous http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/03/hillary-and-segolene-compare-and-contrast/#comment-34900 Anon Y. Mous Sun, 06 May 2007 21:24:18 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/03/hillary-and-segolene-compare-and-contrast/#comment-34900 "it’s not “innate” differences (in the genetic sense) that are at issue here, but cultural differences." I'm confused - this was the point I was trying to make from the beginning, yet you write as if you disagree with me. You agree with everything I have written? Good, I congratulate you. “it’s not “innate” differences (in the genetic sense) that are at issue here, but cultural differences.”

I’m confused – this was the point I was trying to make from the beginning, yet you write as if you disagree with me. You agree with everything I have written? Good, I congratulate you.

]]> By: Sally http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/03/hillary-and-segolene-compare-and-contrast/#comment-34899 Sally Sun, 06 May 2007 20:58:08 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/03/hillary-and-segolene-compare-and-contrast/#comment-34899 Anony: <i>The comfort I take is this: you are, quite decidedly, on the wrong side of history on this one.</i> Always comical to see lefties turn to History for comfort, isn't it? Like fundamentalists who fervently believe God is on their side. What makes this pomposity even sillier is that, in his earnest lefty rectitude, he misunderstands the point -- it's not "innate" differences (in the genetic sense) that are at issue here, but <i>cultural</i> differences. And cultures can be changed, even on an individual level -- though of course much of the current political left provides an interesting if sad counterexample. Anony: The comfort I take is this: you are, quite decidedly, on the wrong side of history on this one.

Always comical to see lefties turn to History for comfort, isn’t it? Like fundamentalists who fervently believe God is on their side.

What makes this pomposity even sillier is that, in his earnest lefty rectitude, he misunderstands the point — it’s not “innate” differences (in the genetic sense) that are at issue here, but cultural differences. And cultures can be changed, even on an individual level — though of course much of the current political left provides an interesting if sad counterexample.

]]> By: The Skald http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/03/hillary-and-segolene-compare-and-contrast/#comment-34898 The Skald Sun, 06 May 2007 20:23:50 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/03/hillary-and-segolene-compare-and-contrast/#comment-34898 Initially it seemed like an interesting conversation to join, apart from the peculiar use of "post hoc" that ultimately degenerates into ad hominem attacks. Well, heck, it's still interesting. meh. Initially it seemed like an interesting conversation to join, apart from the peculiar use of “post hoc” that ultimately degenerates into ad hominem attacks. Well, heck, it’s still interesting.

meh.

]]> By: Capn Billy http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/03/hillary-and-segolene-compare-and-contrast/#comment-34896 Capn Billy Sun, 06 May 2007 18:48:27 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/03/hillary-and-segolene-compare-and-contrast/#comment-34896 The nutjob here is the one who uses the paragraph in quotes as justification for referring to the originator as a "nutjob." The nutjob here is the one who uses the paragraph in quotes as justification for referring to the originator as a “nutjob.”

]]> By: Anon Y. Mous http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/03/hillary-and-segolene-compare-and-contrast/#comment-34894 Anon Y. Mous Sun, 06 May 2007 18:08:28 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/03/hillary-and-segolene-compare-and-contrast/#comment-34894 "But any attempt to derive moral principles from empirical data or identify equality with “sameness”, require equal representation of sexes, races or ethnicities in every domain of human endevour is insult to common sense and attack on Christianity, knowingly or otherwise." My mistake. I return to my original stance of ignoring you, because you're a nutjob. “But any attempt to derive moral principles from empirical data or identify equality with “sameness”, require equal representation of sexes, races or ethnicities in every domain of human endevour is insult to common sense and attack on Christianity, knowingly or otherwise.”

My mistake. I return to my original stance of ignoring you, because you’re a nutjob.

]]> By: sergey http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/03/hillary-and-segolene-compare-and-contrast/#comment-34890 sergey Sun, 06 May 2007 16:43:06 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/03/hillary-and-segolene-compare-and-contrast/#comment-34890 I never said and never belived that women are inferior to men, or that Chistianity asserts this. Just the opposite, only Cristianity asserted women rights in ancient Greece and Middle East, that were then very misogynic. I also completely disagree with feminist stance that in traditional women role as home-maker there is something denigrating. I studied with my wife in the same group in Moscow University and later - in post-graduate studies, we have wrote together several scientific publications. And we brought up five children. But any attempt to derive moral principles from empirical data or identify equality with "sameness", require equal representation of sexes, races or ethnicities in every domain of human endevour is insult to common sense and attack on Christianity, knowingly or otherwise. I never said and never belived that women are inferior to men, or that Chistianity asserts this. Just the opposite, only Cristianity asserted women rights in ancient Greece and Middle East, that were then very misogynic. I also completely disagree with feminist stance that in traditional women role as home-maker there is something denigrating. I studied with my wife in the same group in Moscow University and later – in post-graduate studies, we have wrote together several scientific publications. And we brought up five children. But any attempt to derive moral principles from empirical data or identify equality with “sameness”, require equal representation of sexes, races or ethnicities in every domain of human endevour is insult to common sense and attack on Christianity, knowingly or otherwise.

]]> By: Anon Y. Mous http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/03/hillary-and-segolene-compare-and-contrast/#comment-34889 Anon Y. Mous Sun, 06 May 2007 15:53:53 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/03/hillary-and-segolene-compare-and-contrast/#comment-34889 "Advocates of equality that are attacking Christianity do not understand that they are undermining the very foundation of this equality, that is equality under God which translated into eqiality under law." Well, that settles it, doesn't it? It's hard to argue with God if He Himself personally made women inferior to men. I also had no idea that I was attacking Christianity. It's an interesting rhetorical trick - I think from here on out, I'll use that too. Think we shouldn't reform the AMT? Attacking Christianity! Disagree over the Iraq war? Attacking Christianity! Don't like my haircut? Attacking Christianity! Genius. Who wants to be that guy who attacks Christianity? It's a real show-stopper, thanks. "I think not. We are entering times of blood and iron. You peddlers of whinings and grievances are dispensible luxury items." I assume this is similar to the language you use to pump yourself up before a Dungeons and Dragons tournament, or before you don your plastic armor for the Renaissance Faire, or before you log in for a few hours of World of Warcraft, so I will try very hard not to rain on your parade. “Advocates of equality that are attacking Christianity do not understand that they are undermining the very foundation of this equality, that is equality under God which translated into eqiality under law.”

Well, that settles it, doesn’t it? It’s hard to argue with God if He Himself personally made women inferior to men. I also had no idea that I was attacking Christianity. It’s an interesting rhetorical trick – I think from here on out, I’ll use that too. Think we shouldn’t reform the AMT? Attacking Christianity! Disagree over the Iraq war? Attacking Christianity! Don’t like my haircut? Attacking Christianity! Genius. Who wants to be that guy who attacks Christianity? It’s a real show-stopper, thanks.

“I think not. We are entering times of blood and iron. You peddlers of whinings and grievances are dispensible luxury items.”

I assume this is similar to the language you use to pump yourself up before a Dungeons and Dragons tournament, or before you don your plastic armor for the Renaissance Faire, or before you log in for a few hours of World of Warcraft, so I will try very hard not to rain on your parade.

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