Comments on: Abbas and peace: fed up with “dialogue?” http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/20/abbas-and-peace-fed-up-with-dialogue/ Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:37:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1 By: zhombre http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/20/abbas-and-peace-fed-up-with-dialogue/#comment-36624 zhombre Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:11:17 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/20/abbas-and-peace-fed-up-with-dialogue/#comment-36624 So much for a Palestinian state. There never was one in the past; there isn't one now, just rival gangs of thugs killing off one another; and won't be one in the future. An independent Palestine is snake oil sold to suckers in the West. So much for a Palestinian state. There never was one in the past; there isn’t one now, just rival gangs of thugs killing off one another; and won’t be one in the future. An independent Palestine is snake oil sold to suckers in the West.

]]> By: alphie http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/20/abbas-and-peace-fed-up-with-dialogue/#comment-36627 alphie Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:38:51 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/20/abbas-and-peace-fed-up-with-dialogue/#comment-36627 Well, one gang does seem to be taking over Palestine, zhombre. The state comes next. I wouldn't count on Vichy Palestine lasting long enough to negotiate anything but their surrender. Well, one gang does seem to be taking over Palestine, zhombre.

The state comes next.

I wouldn’t count on Vichy Palestine lasting long enough to negotiate anything but their surrender.

]]> By: Tom http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/20/abbas-and-peace-fed-up-with-dialogue/#comment-36631 Tom Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:16:57 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/20/abbas-and-peace-fed-up-with-dialogue/#comment-36631 Hamas violence may cause a sea change in Fatah? Neo,your hope is an ill-founded illusion. That 2 thugs are beating each other up does not make them less thuggish. I am surprised at you! Gaza is easily blockaded, an obvious solution. But the Left's handwringing about "innocent women and children" (Innocent being a much-overused and misapplied adjective these days) will keep Gaza as it is today, a Bedlamic society. Hamas violence may cause a sea change in Fatah? Neo,your hope is an ill-founded illusion. That 2 thugs are beating each other up does not make them less thuggish. I am surprised at you!

Gaza is easily blockaded, an obvious solution. But the Left’s handwringing about “innocent women and children” (Innocent being a much-overused and misapplied adjective these days) will keep Gaza as it is today, a Bedlamic society.

]]> By: camojack http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/20/abbas-and-peace-fed-up-with-dialogue/#comment-36632 camojack Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:41:28 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/20/abbas-and-peace-fed-up-with-dialogue/#comment-36632 <i>It would be good to have a true partner for peace, after all these years.</i> It would indeed. Will it <b>happen</b>, though? Only time will tell... It would be good to have a true partner for peace, after all these years.

It would indeed. Will it happen, though?

Only time will tell…

]]> By: zhombre http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/20/abbas-and-peace-fed-up-with-dialogue/#comment-36633 zhombre Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:49:29 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/20/abbas-and-peace-fed-up-with-dialogue/#comment-36633 melaniephillips.comI concur with this writer's grasp of the situation and proposed resolution: http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=518 The chimera of a Palestinian state has turned barbaric. It was never predicated on an actual two state solution, but on the eventual eradication of Israel. melaniephillips.comI concur with this writer’s grasp of the situation and proposed resolution:

http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=518

The chimera of a Palestinian state has turned barbaric. It was never predicated on an actual two state solution, but on the eventual eradication of Israel.

]]> By: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/20/abbas-and-peace-fed-up-with-dialogue/#comment-36636 Tom Grey - Liberty Dad Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:34:25 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/20/abbas-and-peace-fed-up-with-dialogue/#comment-36636 Abbas is the "President" -- all he has to do is sign a Peace Agreement with Israel and the West will flood his greedy, corrupt, & incompetent Fatah movement with cash. Probably enough cash so they hire enough anti-Hamas mercenaries to keep them alive, in power, and on the receiving end of a Western trough of aid. Most of them alive, anyway. And if a Peace Agreement comes before peace, or even a ceasefire, it would still be welcomed. Imagine if Abbas signs it, and then pushes for a referendum on it, only. It's crucial that the West not give cash to Hamas; I'm not so certain about the Fatah killers. I'd always prefer the aid cash to be for business loans to any and all who have business plans and ideas for small businesses. Abbas is the “President” — all he has to do is sign a Peace Agreement with Israel and the West will flood his greedy, corrupt, & incompetent Fatah movement with cash. Probably enough cash so they hire enough anti-Hamas mercenaries to keep them alive, in power, and on the receiving end of a Western trough of aid. Most of them alive, anyway.

And if a Peace Agreement comes before peace, or even a ceasefire, it would still be welcomed. Imagine if Abbas signs it, and then pushes for a referendum on it, only.

It’s crucial that the West not give cash to Hamas; I’m not so certain about the Fatah killers. I’d always prefer the aid cash to be for business loans to any and all who have business plans and ideas for small businesses.

]]> By: Daniel in Brookline http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/20/abbas-and-peace-fed-up-with-dialogue/#comment-36640 Daniel in Brookline Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:59:42 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/20/abbas-and-peace-fed-up-with-dialogue/#comment-36640 Neo, I regret that I have no more confidence in Abu Mazen than the rest of your commenters thus far. <a href="http://daniel-in-brookline.blogspot.com/2007/06/gaza-gets-worse.html" rel="nofollow">As I've said</a> from time to time, the only difference worth noting between Fatah and Hamas is that Fatah is willing to <i>pretend</i> to support peace, at least while speaking in English. (In Arabic their destroy-the-Zionist-entity-in-blood-and-fire rhetoric is unabated.) Hamas isn't willing to pretend, so they say in English what Fatah says in Arabic. I'm personally very much discouraged by the help and support Fatah is now getting from the West. He doesn't deserve it, nor are our interests in any way served by propping him up. We made that mistake back in 1993, leading to the historic Rabin-Arafat handshake at the White House -- and an awful lot of death and destruction. Hang on; we're in for a bumpy ride. respectfully, Daniel in Brookline Neo,

I regret that I have no more confidence in Abu Mazen than the rest of your commenters thus far.

As I’ve said from time to time, the only difference worth noting between Fatah and Hamas is that Fatah is willing to pretend to support peace, at least while speaking in English. (In Arabic their destroy-the-Zionist-entity-in-blood-and-fire rhetoric is unabated.) Hamas isn’t willing to pretend, so they say in English what Fatah says in Arabic.

I’m personally very much discouraged by the help and support Fatah is now getting from the West. He doesn’t deserve it, nor are our interests in any way served by propping him up. We made that mistake back in 1993, leading to the historic Rabin-Arafat handshake at the White House — and an awful lot of death and destruction.

Hang on; we’re in for a bumpy ride.

respectfully,
Daniel in Brookline

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