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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/21/for-the-duration/#comment-36853</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug, the way I see it, the Left feels guilty over a lot of things. So they might as well try to make you feel guilty as well. They don&#039;t want to support anything that might put blood on their hands, so they do everything possible to make sure that the blood is on the hands of terrorists and those that try to stop them. This inevitably helps terrorists by creating division and internal weakness, that is exploited by our enemies.

The concept of guilt, is what powers many actions of the rich and social elite in Leftist circles. They have many methods to cope with this guilt, such as buying carbon creds. Or making you use one square of toilet paper only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, the way I see it, the Left feels guilty over a lot of things. So they might as well try to make you feel guilty as well. They don&#8217;t want to support anything that might put blood on their hands, so they do everything possible to make sure that the blood is on the hands of terrorists and those that try to stop them. This inevitably helps terrorists by creating division and internal weakness, that is exploited by our enemies.</p>
<p>The concept of guilt, is what powers many actions of the rich and social elite in Leftist circles. They have many methods to cope with this guilt, such as buying carbon creds. Or making you use one square of toilet paper only.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/21/for-the-duration/#comment-36798</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Grey - Liberty Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m against any US soldiers killing folks with their hands up, truly trying to surrender. 

I&#039;m MORE against assuming the terrorists are trying to surrender and allowing them to suicide kill themselves and those nearby.  I&#039;m pretty sure this has already happened, more than once even.

Alphie neo-troll is correct about the need for some kind of trial, for those who surrender and those who are captured by non-Americans (and sold? really? how many?).  Every prisoner who surrenders on the battlefield should be noted, with the commander of the particular battle, and the post-battle report including the names of the prisoners.  In the dozens, at most (so far).

The presumption of guilt is the most key issue, not the &quot;trial&quot;.  Fingerprints, blood samples (&amp; DNA) should be taken as well as foreign weapons.  Illegal combatants, whose prints or sweat (?) or blood traces are on weapons, should be rapidly found guilty and become &quot;illegal combatant detainees&quot;.  With no more, and possibly fewer, rights than POWs -- since they refuse to wear uniforms.

Any who move suspiciously in surrender should be shot, if deemed a possible threat -- in the judgement of the local soldier.

Interrogation should include significant sleep deprivation as well as frequent video taped questioning sessions.

They should be held until they are deemed to be no further danger to others, or until all the ME countries are functioning democracies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m against any US soldiers killing folks with their hands up, truly trying to surrender. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m MORE against assuming the terrorists are trying to surrender and allowing them to suicide kill themselves and those nearby.  I&#8217;m pretty sure this has already happened, more than once even.</p>
<p>Alphie neo-troll is correct about the need for some kind of trial, for those who surrender and those who are captured by non-Americans (and sold? really? how many?).  Every prisoner who surrenders on the battlefield should be noted, with the commander of the particular battle, and the post-battle report including the names of the prisoners.  In the dozens, at most (so far).</p>
<p>The presumption of guilt is the most key issue, not the &#8220;trial&#8221;.  Fingerprints, blood samples (&amp; DNA) should be taken as well as foreign weapons.  Illegal combatants, whose prints or sweat (?) or blood traces are on weapons, should be rapidly found guilty and become &#8220;illegal combatant detainees&#8221;.  With no more, and possibly fewer, rights than POWs &#8212; since they refuse to wear uniforms.</p>
<p>Any who move suspiciously in surrender should be shot, if deemed a possible threat &#8212; in the judgement of the local soldier.</p>
<p>Interrogation should include significant sleep deprivation as well as frequent video taped questioning sessions.</p>
<p>They should be held until they are deemed to be no further danger to others, or until all the ME countries are functioning democracies.</p>
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		<title>By: douglas</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/21/for-the-duration/#comment-36776</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just trying to understand why anyone thinks these guys deserve better treatment than german spies captured in the states on sabotage missions in WWII.  Out of uniform, engaged in hostilities, you got nothing, end of issue.  If we even let you live (and generally, I&#039;m for that) consider yourself lucky.

As for Maher Arar, if mistakes were made, blame the terrorists.  Their very methodology (concealing themselves by posing as civilians) forces these things to happen.  It is by design, and the sooner you realize that, the better off we&#039;ll all be.  They work our &#039;weaknesses&#039; against us, our ethics, or moral standards- of which they possess none.  Back off on these issues, and they continue to erode our ability to defend ourselves, contine to chip away at our very  existence.

In the meantime, we fiddle with issues of whether we called them &#039;illegal enemy combatants&#039; or just &#039;enemy combatants&#039;.  Ridiculous.  How about we just go back to calling them spys, sappers, sabotours... whichever applies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just trying to understand why anyone thinks these guys deserve better treatment than german spies captured in the states on sabotage missions in WWII.  Out of uniform, engaged in hostilities, you got nothing, end of issue.  If we even let you live (and generally, I&#8217;m for that) consider yourself lucky.</p>
<p>As for Maher Arar, if mistakes were made, blame the terrorists.  Their very methodology (concealing themselves by posing as civilians) forces these things to happen.  It is by design, and the sooner you realize that, the better off we&#8217;ll all be.  They work our &#8216;weaknesses&#8217; against us, our ethics, or moral standards- of which they possess none.  Back off on these issues, and they continue to erode our ability to defend ourselves, contine to chip away at our very  existence.</p>
<p>In the meantime, we fiddle with issues of whether we called them &#8216;illegal enemy combatants&#8217; or just &#8216;enemy combatants&#8217;.  Ridiculous.  How about we just go back to calling them spys, sappers, sabotours&#8230; whichever applies.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/21/for-the-duration/#comment-36772</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall Israel sending some Palestinian guys out on the road to nowhere, and they returned to blow Israelis up.  And I am thinking of all the Lebanese killed last July by Israelis (using US weapons) and all the newly bereaved relatives with an axe to grind. Where will they take that axe? And now what to do with the guys we have locked up at Gitmo....will they walk away happy campers? Oh and this latest thing reported from the UK Guardian, the Lebanese Daily Star and the US New Yorker about the US Vice-President Dick Cheney, National Security Council adviser Elliot Abrams and Prince Bandar bin Sultan agreeing to fund al Fatah al Islam aka al-Qaida  in oder to pit them against Hezbolla as they are diametrically opposed. I read in the news that the UN peacekeepers are under attack in Lebanon. People have been killed with US support. More blowback. The world will be calling us U.S. of blowback A. I mean sheesh, seems like we are always killing the wrong people and pissing off their relatives. We are turing into Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall Israel sending some Palestinian guys out on the road to nowhere, and they returned to blow Israelis up.  And I am thinking of all the Lebanese killed last July by Israelis (using US weapons) and all the newly bereaved relatives with an axe to grind. Where will they take that axe? And now what to do with the guys we have locked up at Gitmo&#8230;.will they walk away happy campers? Oh and this latest thing reported from the UK Guardian, the Lebanese Daily Star and the US New Yorker about the US Vice-President Dick Cheney, National Security Council adviser Elliot Abrams and Prince Bandar bin Sultan agreeing to fund al Fatah al Islam aka al-Qaida  in oder to pit them against Hezbolla as they are diametrically opposed. I read in the news that the UN peacekeepers are under attack in Lebanon. People have been killed with US support. More blowback. The world will be calling us U.S. of blowback A. I mean sheesh, seems like we are always killing the wrong people and pissing off their relatives. We are turing into Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: SDN</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/21/for-the-duration/#comment-36771</link>
		<dc:creator>SDN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What people like the Alphtard won&#039;t admit is that we are fully authorized by the Geneva conventions to shoot &quot;unlawful combatants&quot; on the spot.... especially when they are taken in &quot;acts of perfidy&quot;: fighting from inside mosques, hospitals, concealing themselves inside civilian populations, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What people like the Alphtard won&#8217;t admit is that we are fully authorized by the Geneva conventions to shoot &#8220;unlawful combatants&#8221; on the spot&#8230;. especially when they are taken in &#8220;acts of perfidy&#8221;: fighting from inside mosques, hospitals, concealing themselves inside civilian populations, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Next Stop Lauderdale</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/21/for-the-duration/#comment-36767</link>
		<dc:creator>Next Stop Lauderdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 01:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; how is end of the “duration” going to be determined, and are we prepared to detain people in a conflict that could easily last decades?&quot;

This question answers itself.  Of course you keep them through the &quot;duration.&quot;  If it is a long time or a lot of them, all the better.  We need to build cheap quarters (no priavte rooms or even coops).  I&#039;d rather have them sweating it out for 10 years a GITMO than killing Marines.  .......... this should be obvious to anyone that knows we are in a war, long war and must win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; how is end of the “duration” going to be determined, and are we prepared to detain people in a conflict that could easily last decades?&#8221;</p>
<p>This question answers itself.  Of course you keep them through the &#8220;duration.&#8221;  If it is a long time or a lot of them, all the better.  We need to build cheap quarters (no priavte rooms or even coops).  I&#8217;d rather have them sweating it out for 10 years a GITMO than killing Marines.  &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. this should be obvious to anyone that knows we are in a war, long war and must win.</p>
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		<title>By: Ursus Maritimus</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/21/for-the-duration/#comment-36709</link>
		<dc:creator>Ursus Maritimus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Major Reid didn&#039;t mention San Francisco. He had one of us apes summarize the negotiated treaty of New Delhi, discuss how it ignored prisoners of war . . . and, by implication, dropped the subject forever; the armistice became a stalemate and prisoners stayed where they were — on one side; on the other side &lt;i&gt;they were turned loose and, during the Disorders, made their way home — or not if they didn&#039;t want to.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Robert A. Heinlein, &quot;Starship Troopers&quot;

I fear that ol&#039; Bob was more prescient than we know yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Major Reid didn&#8217;t mention San Francisco. He had one of us apes summarize the negotiated treaty of New Delhi, discuss how it ignored prisoners of war . . . and, by implication, dropped the subject forever; the armistice became a stalemate and prisoners stayed where they were — on one side; on the other side <i>they were turned loose and, during the Disorders, made their way home — or not if they didn&#8217;t want to.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Robert A. Heinlein, &#8220;Starship Troopers&#8221;</p>
<p>I fear that ol&#8217; Bob was more prescient than we know yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Laphie</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/21/for-the-duration/#comment-36707</link>
		<dc:creator>Laphie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are not wanting to hold them indefinitely you may always consider lobotomy.  This can be done now with laser, stem cell, monoclone antibody, and nanobiting tubes.

Removing the source of violent from the brain.  This is good, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are not wanting to hold them indefinitely you may always consider lobotomy.  This can be done now with laser, stem cell, monoclone antibody, and nanobiting tubes.</p>
<p>Removing the source of violent from the brain.  This is good, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Consul-At-Arms</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/21/for-the-duration/#comment-36702</link>
		<dc:creator>Consul-At-Arms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 06:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While touring Edinburgh Castle earlier last year, I learned that it had been used to house both American and French naval prisoners captured during the American Revolution and during the Napoleonic Wars.

They were held as prisoners of war for a VERY long time.  So I have no qualms about holding AQ and Taliban &quot;fighters&quot; for the duration.

If holding prisoners until the enemy capitulates (or we do) bothers the squeemish, perhaps simply trying and executing them for their grevious violations of the laws of war will suffice.  That way they won&#039;t be being held as prisoners anymore.  The very facts that prevent their being considered to be legitimate Prisoners of War are by themselves war crimes.

Get a rope!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While touring Edinburgh Castle earlier last year, I learned that it had been used to house both American and French naval prisoners captured during the American Revolution and during the Napoleonic Wars.</p>
<p>They were held as prisoners of war for a VERY long time.  So I have no qualms about holding AQ and Taliban &#8220;fighters&#8221; for the duration.</p>
<p>If holding prisoners until the enemy capitulates (or we do) bothers the squeemish, perhaps simply trying and executing them for their grevious violations of the laws of war will suffice.  That way they won&#8217;t be being held as prisoners anymore.  The very facts that prevent their being considered to be legitimate Prisoners of War are by themselves war crimes.</p>
<p>Get a rope!</p>
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		<title>By: amr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/21/for-the-duration/#comment-36700</link>
		<dc:creator>amr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 05:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In that long ago war of the greatest generation, WWII, when we caught the enemy out of uniform attacking our troops, they were executed.  No trial or imprisonment; execution pure and simple.  That was what happened on the battlefield.  To my knowledge, the leadership who authorized these tactics, in particular during the Battle of the Bulge, were not prosecuted.  So is the leader who orders unconventional warfare subject to execution even though he was not involved in the fighting?  I would say yes, but apparently that was not the case 60 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In that long ago war of the greatest generation, WWII, when we caught the enemy out of uniform attacking our troops, they were executed.  No trial or imprisonment; execution pure and simple.  That was what happened on the battlefield.  To my knowledge, the leadership who authorized these tactics, in particular during the Battle of the Bulge, were not prosecuted.  So is the leader who orders unconventional warfare subject to execution even though he was not involved in the fighting?  I would say yes, but apparently that was not the case 60 years ago.</p>
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