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		<title>By: has our ignorance of history doomed us? &#171; the lower casefiles</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/25/the-unintended-consequences-of-teaching-expurgated-history/#comment-51749</link>
		<dc:creator>has our ignorance of history doomed us? &#171; the lower casefiles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] our ignorance of history doomed&#160;us?  Jump to Comments This is a pretty old post from neo-neocon, but I noticed it as a related link over at Pajamas Media, and it makes a very good point about the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] our ignorance of history doomed&nbsp;us?  Jump to Comments This is a pretty old post from neo-neocon, but I noticed it as a related link over at Pajamas Media, and it makes a very good point about the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/25/the-unintended-consequences-of-teaching-expurgated-history/#comment-36913</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;I’m just baffled.&lt;/b&gt;

Only smart people with high IQs may hold 50 different contradicting beliefs in their head at once.

But even those of average intelligence can hold a handful or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I’m just baffled.</b></p>
<p>Only smart people with high IQs may hold 50 different contradicting beliefs in their head at once.</p>
<p>But even those of average intelligence can hold a handful or so.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/25/the-unintended-consequences-of-teaching-expurgated-history/#comment-36912</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Am I the only one here who would like to cap that off with a Great Big WTF?&lt;/b&gt;

Hey, ever since 9/11 people should not be surprised at the irrationality of folks. Not anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Am I the only one here who would like to cap that off with a Great Big WTF?</b></p>
<p>Hey, ever since 9/11 people should not be surprised at the irrationality of folks. Not anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/25/the-unintended-consequences-of-teaching-expurgated-history/#comment-36911</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;I think that the fact that they were defending their own land, despite what France, Spain, and the US had to say in their little treaties, justifies some fighting.&lt;/b&gt;

Most of the Native Ameris did the same things against each other. You can justify inter-clan warfare all you want, but it does nobody any real good. But good is after all, a higher standard than simple &quot;justifies some fighting&quot;.

&lt;b&gt;equal or greater atrocities today.&lt;/b&gt;

Like what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I think that the fact that they were defending their own land, despite what France, Spain, and the US had to say in their little treaties, justifies some fighting.</b></p>
<p>Most of the Native Ameris did the same things against each other. You can justify inter-clan warfare all you want, but it does nobody any real good. But good is after all, a higher standard than simple &#8220;justifies some fighting&#8221;.</p>
<p><b>equal or greater atrocities today.</b></p>
<p>Like what?</p>
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		<title>By: Nyomythus</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/25/the-unintended-consequences-of-teaching-expurgated-history/#comment-36908</link>
		<dc:creator>Nyomythus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much of what transpired between Native North Americans and the settlers, goes to what Hitchens is stating in his current book tour, that we are, altogether, a poorly evolved species.

And to add my bit, I think this is what you get when two civilizations, particularity in regards to weaponry, of vastly different states of evolution, you can call it &#039;differences&#039; if you want to, come in contact with the other. Look at what happens when ants meet termites. This may also show how stupid the idea extraterrestrials visiting earth is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much of what transpired between Native North Americans and the settlers, goes to what Hitchens is stating in his current book tour, that we are, altogether, a poorly evolved species.</p>
<p>And to add my bit, I think this is what you get when two civilizations, particularity in regards to weaponry, of vastly different states of evolution, you can call it &#8216;differences&#8217; if you want to, come in contact with the other. Look at what happens when ants meet termites. This may also show how stupid the idea extraterrestrials visiting earth is.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe the Troll</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/25/the-unintended-consequences-of-teaching-expurgated-history/#comment-36907</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe the Troll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The smallpox blankets. Well, I guess if you like to think of Indians as victims, you can focus on that. They were warriors first and yes, they also committed atrocities.&quot;

I think that the fact that they were defending their own land, despite what France, Spain, and the US had to say in their little treaties, justifies some fighting. We&#039;re not even in danger of losing our home, yet many people don&#039;t mind ignoring - or even encouraging - equal or greater atrocities today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The smallpox blankets. Well, I guess if you like to think of Indians as victims, you can focus on that. They were warriors first and yes, they also committed atrocities.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that the fact that they were defending their own land, despite what France, Spain, and the US had to say in their little treaties, justifies some fighting. We&#8217;re not even in danger of losing our home, yet many people don&#8217;t mind ignoring &#8211; or even encouraging &#8211; equal or greater atrocities today.</p>
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		<title>By: ahem</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/25/the-unintended-consequences-of-teaching-expurgated-history/#comment-36906</link>
		<dc:creator>ahem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see you have in herited the dread dimwit troll, alphie. Too bad. He&#039;s a total waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see you have in herited the dread dimwit troll, alphie. Too bad. He&#8217;s a total waste.</p>
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		<title>By: BRD</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/25/the-unintended-consequences-of-teaching-expurgated-history/#comment-36905</link>
		<dc:creator>BRD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hauskat.netAlphie sez:

&lt;blockquote&gt;American History is nothing but one long tale of theft, slavery, treason, defeat, etc.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Alphie then sez:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ll start in the 20th century to avoid offending certain people’s delicate historical sensibilities:
Phillipine-American War - Empires just ain’t worth the trouble these days.
WWI - If possible, jump in on the winning side near the end and claim glory.
WWII - ditto
Korean War - During a war, avoid making new enemies, especially China.
Vietnam War - Don’t back losers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And Alphie goes on to sez:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I’m not an isolationist.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

and caps this off with:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I hate to bust your bubble, but I’m a Republican, born and raised.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Am I the only one here who would like to cap that off with a Great Big &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hauskat.net/hauskoja/wtf.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;WTF&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;? 

I have no earthly idea how you can even claim to reconcile all those, let alone in the same thread.

I&#039;m just baffled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hauskat.netAlphie sez:</p>
<blockquote><p>American History is nothing but one long tale of theft, slavery, treason, defeat, etc.</p></blockquote>
<p>Alphie then sez:</p>
<blockquote><p>I’ll start in the 20th century to avoid offending certain people’s delicate historical sensibilities:<br />
Phillipine-American War &#8211; Empires just ain’t worth the trouble these days.<br />
WWI &#8211; If possible, jump in on the winning side near the end and claim glory.<br />
WWII &#8211; ditto<br />
Korean War &#8211; During a war, avoid making new enemies, especially China.<br />
Vietnam War &#8211; Don’t back losers.</p></blockquote>
<p>And Alphie goes on to sez:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I’m not an isolationist.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>and caps this off with:</p>
<blockquote><p>I hate to bust your bubble, but I’m a Republican, born and raised.</p></blockquote>
<p>Am I the only one here who would like to cap that off with a Great Big <a href="http://www.hauskat.net/hauskoja/wtf.jpg" rel="nofollow"><i>WTF</i></a>? </p>
<p>I have no earthly idea how you can even claim to reconcile all those, let alone in the same thread.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just baffled.</p>
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		<title>By: Teri Pittman</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/25/the-unintended-consequences-of-teaching-expurgated-history/#comment-36902</link>
		<dc:creator>Teri Pittman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 02:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And since I&#039;ve now read the comments, let&#039;s talk about the revisionist history above. Gallipolli also had to do with bad intelligence. They had a very wrong picture of the terrain they were in. They thought there was a hill they could reach that would give them a view of their opponents. They were wrong and lost a lot of men as a result.

The smallpox blankets. Well, I guess if you like to think of Indians as victims, you can focus on that. They were warriors first and yes, they also committed atrocities. And the people living through those times were reacting to the events they knew about or heard about. 

Honestly, if you want to learn about history, you need to stop protecting your own precious point of view and try to read some conflicting viewpoints. Try reading a few contemporary accounts too. The libraries are unfortunately as full of this nonsense as the history books, but you can find other viewpoints if you try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And since I&#8217;ve now read the comments, let&#8217;s talk about the revisionist history above. Gallipolli also had to do with bad intelligence. They had a very wrong picture of the terrain they were in. They thought there was a hill they could reach that would give them a view of their opponents. They were wrong and lost a lot of men as a result.</p>
<p>The smallpox blankets. Well, I guess if you like to think of Indians as victims, you can focus on that. They were warriors first and yes, they also committed atrocities. And the people living through those times were reacting to the events they knew about or heard about. </p>
<p>Honestly, if you want to learn about history, you need to stop protecting your own precious point of view and try to read some conflicting viewpoints. Try reading a few contemporary accounts too. The libraries are unfortunately as full of this nonsense as the history books, but you can find other viewpoints if you try.</p>
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		<title>By: Teri Pittman</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/25/the-unintended-consequences-of-teaching-expurgated-history/#comment-36901</link>
		<dc:creator>Teri Pittman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a theory for this. It&#039;s because people teach history as though the results were foreordained. If you look at it from the perspective that the people of those times didn&#039;t have a clue how things would turn out, it becomes interesting again. People living through WWII did not know who would win. Same thing with just about any other historical event you could name. Yet we teach it as though there was only one possible way for things to work out.

I once wanted to be a high school history teacher. It&#039;s probably a shame that I didn&#039;t go that route as I find it interesting. Then again, I&#039;d be stuck using those dreadful things that pass as textbooks these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a theory for this. It&#8217;s because people teach history as though the results were foreordained. If you look at it from the perspective that the people of those times didn&#8217;t have a clue how things would turn out, it becomes interesting again. People living through WWII did not know who would win. Same thing with just about any other historical event you could name. Yet we teach it as though there was only one possible way for things to work out.</p>
<p>I once wanted to be a high school history teacher. It&#8217;s probably a shame that I didn&#8217;t go that route as I find it interesting. Then again, I&#8217;d be stuck using those dreadful things that pass as textbooks these days.</p>
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