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		<title>By: Dr Zen</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/28/what-price-diversity/#comment-37211</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Zen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 04:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a heckuva lot of words to say &quot;yuk, keep those darkies away from me&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a heckuva lot of words to say &#8220;yuk, keep those darkies away from me&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean's World</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/28/what-price-diversity/#comment-37105</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean's World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 14:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The diversity scam...&lt;/strong&gt;

As everyone knows, once the dubious morality, and logic, of basing solutions to problems caused by ugly racial distinctions on the enshrinement and legalization of more racial distinctions became obvious and its constitutionality......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The diversity scam&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>As everyone knows, once the dubious morality, and logic, of basing solutions to problems caused by ugly racial distinctions on the enshrinement and legalization of more racial distinctions became obvious and its constitutionality&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Chen</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/28/what-price-diversity/#comment-37086</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 03:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My belief is that diversity is good and should be a great national strength. Working towards integration and diversity is a good thing, but the act of forced mixing of young people by itself is an incomplete answer.

There also needs to be forged social-culturally a stronger shared American identity that is at least as influential and valued by individuals as the separate identities of the mixed groups. That&#039;s no simple feat and requires intensive acculturation.

How do we develop a &quot;cosmopolitan&quot; identity that allows us comfortably accept our other identities, but also serves to bond a diverse population into one cohesive society?

My model for effective diversity as opposed to what we&#039;ve been doing is my Army experience - the most diverse and different-from-me community I&#039;ve ever been a member of. When I first joined the Army as a parochial, middle class, Chinese New Yorker, I was scared of a lot of things (Basic Training, you know - not fun), and one of those things was the alien people around me in such an intimate, stressful environment. Heck, it&#039;s possible that others felt as uncomfortable about me. Through the Army acculturation process, my fear of the other was overcome through the development of our new powerful shared identity as American soldiers.  

It wasn&#039;t just PC lip service diversity. This diversity had to be effective to the degree I could live and work closely with these people, and if it came to that, possibly give my life for them. The way I described it to my non-military friends was that when meeting another soldier, we could be strangers and completely different, even incompatible in most respects, but as fellow soldiers, I was confident that we had 40% in common with each other. And that placed us on the same side.

Diversity is incomplete if you physically put people together but don&#039;t train them to think of themselves as part of the same identity group - again, without sacrificing our other identities. I often wonder if elements of the military culture can be used in civilian life in order to generate a stronger common identity as an American citizenry. From a global perspective, we Americans are in it together on the same team, and in this world, there are winning teams and losing teams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My belief is that diversity is good and should be a great national strength. Working towards integration and diversity is a good thing, but the act of forced mixing of young people by itself is an incomplete answer.</p>
<p>There also needs to be forged social-culturally a stronger shared American identity that is at least as influential and valued by individuals as the separate identities of the mixed groups. That&#8217;s no simple feat and requires intensive acculturation.</p>
<p>How do we develop a &#8220;cosmopolitan&#8221; identity that allows us comfortably accept our other identities, but also serves to bond a diverse population into one cohesive society?</p>
<p>My model for effective diversity as opposed to what we&#8217;ve been doing is my Army experience &#8211; the most diverse and different-from-me community I&#8217;ve ever been a member of. When I first joined the Army as a parochial, middle class, Chinese New Yorker, I was scared of a lot of things (Basic Training, you know &#8211; not fun), and one of those things was the alien people around me in such an intimate, stressful environment. Heck, it&#8217;s possible that others felt as uncomfortable about me. Through the Army acculturation process, my fear of the other was overcome through the development of our new powerful shared identity as American soldiers.  </p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t just PC lip service diversity. This diversity had to be effective to the degree I could live and work closely with these people, and if it came to that, possibly give my life for them. The way I described it to my non-military friends was that when meeting another soldier, we could be strangers and completely different, even incompatible in most respects, but as fellow soldiers, I was confident that we had 40% in common with each other. And that placed us on the same side.</p>
<p>Diversity is incomplete if you physically put people together but don&#8217;t train them to think of themselves as part of the same identity group &#8211; again, without sacrificing our other identities. I often wonder if elements of the military culture can be used in civilian life in order to generate a stronger common identity as an American citizenry. From a global perspective, we Americans are in it together on the same team, and in this world, there are winning teams and losing teams.</p>
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		<title>By: joe blough</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/28/what-price-diversity/#comment-37084</link>
		<dc:creator>joe blough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 02:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diversity of what ?????????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diversity of what ?????????</p>
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		<title>By: Noli Irritare Leones &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Links and comments</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/28/what-price-diversity/#comment-37064</link>
		<dc:creator>Noli Irritare Leones &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Links and comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] showed lower levels of trust in ethnically diverse neighborhoods. Neo-neocon references it in a somewhat muddled post about the Supreme Court&#8217;s recent decision blocking school integration efforts in Seattle and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] showed lower levels of trust in ethnically diverse neighborhoods. Neo-neocon references it in a somewhat muddled post about the Supreme Court&#8217;s recent decision blocking school integration efforts in Seattle and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dms</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/28/what-price-diversity/#comment-37033</link>
		<dc:creator>dms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very interested in this remark:

&quot;We ought create conditions for it to happen naturally. Diversity ought not be imposed - at least not in 2007.&quot;

How do we create these conditions? Based on the comments to this thread, any &quot;condition&quot; we &quot;create&quot; will be seen as an imposition to someone.

So what are you suggesting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very interested in this remark:</p>
<p>&#8220;We ought create conditions for it to happen naturally. Diversity ought not be imposed &#8211; at least not in 2007.&#8221;</p>
<p>How do we create these conditions? Based on the comments to this thread, any &#8220;condition&#8221; we &#8220;create&#8221; will be seen as an imposition to someone.</p>
<p>So what are you suggesting?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Swift</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/28/what-price-diversity/#comment-37025</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Swift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Brown v Board of Education&#039;s Original Intent...&lt;/strong&gt;

The Brown decision, perhaps more than any other event in our history, gave rise to the modern conservative movement....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Brown v Board of Education&#8217;s Original Intent&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>The Brown decision, perhaps more than any other event in our history, gave rise to the modern conservative movement&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/28/what-price-diversity/#comment-37021</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desegragation was followed rather quickly by radical blacks(supported by the radical chic  intellectuals and artists) who told kids that learning to read is acting white. The kids were caught in the middle. Do you remember when the Cosby show was attacked  as lacking authenticity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desegragation was followed rather quickly by radical blacks(supported by the radical chic  intellectuals and artists) who told kids that learning to read is acting white. The kids were caught in the middle. Do you remember when the Cosby show was attacked  as lacking authenticity?</p>
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		<title>By: Fronts NYC</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/28/what-price-diversity/#comment-37020</link>
		<dc:creator>Fronts NYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe someone here can help me with a problem, I live in Washington Heights NYC, and as a white man, am in the minority amidst a mainly Dominican neighborhood, where most stores and people speak Spanish, eat ethnic food, and listen to Spanish music.  I know I should feel more comfortable living among people who look, think, and act exactly as I do, but for some odd reason it doesn&#039;t bother me at all.   It&#039;s odd because, you would think living among so many minorities would impact my life in some way, but in fact its really no different from living anywhere else.  Why is this? Can someone please explain why I&#039;m not constantly wracked with fear and anxiety with so many of them always around?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe someone here can help me with a problem, I live in Washington Heights NYC, and as a white man, am in the minority amidst a mainly Dominican neighborhood, where most stores and people speak Spanish, eat ethnic food, and listen to Spanish music.  I know I should feel more comfortable living among people who look, think, and act exactly as I do, but for some odd reason it doesn&#8217;t bother me at all.   It&#8217;s odd because, you would think living among so many minorities would impact my life in some way, but in fact its really no different from living anywhere else.  Why is this? Can someone please explain why I&#8217;m not constantly wracked with fear and anxiety with so many of them always around?</p>
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		<title>By: Trimegistus</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/28/what-price-diversity/#comment-37017</link>
		<dc:creator>Trimegistus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never quite understood why &quot;diversity&quot; is so awesomely important that it outweighs just about every other consideration.  Quality of education?  Nope.  Ease of getting to school?  Nope.  

And &quot;diversity&quot; has only one meaning:  skin tone.  (Maybe sometimes mixing up the crazy and/or retarded kids with the rest.)  

Example:  my kid went to a private elementary school in a New England college town.  Both school and town &lt;i&gt;loved&lt;/i&gt; to congratulate themselves on their &quot;diversity.&quot;  

This meant that they had both upper-middle-class liberal white lesbian parents with adopted black kids &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; upper-middle-class liberal white lesbian parents with adopted Chinese kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never quite understood why &#8220;diversity&#8221; is so awesomely important that it outweighs just about every other consideration.  Quality of education?  Nope.  Ease of getting to school?  Nope.  </p>
<p>And &#8220;diversity&#8221; has only one meaning:  skin tone.  (Maybe sometimes mixing up the crazy and/or retarded kids with the rest.)  </p>
<p>Example:  my kid went to a private elementary school in a New England college town.  Both school and town <i>loved</i> to congratulate themselves on their &#8220;diversity.&#8221;  </p>
<p>This meant that they had both upper-middle-class liberal white lesbian parents with adopted black kids <i>and</i> upper-middle-class liberal white lesbian parents with adopted Chinese kids.</p>
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