Comments on: Petraeus reports the surge is surging: in time, or too late? http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/10/petraeus-reports-the-surge-surges-in-time-or-too-late/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:23:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » » McCain’s Speech On Iraq http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/10/petraeus-reports-the-surge-surges-in-time-or-too-late/#comment-55279 Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » » McCain’s Speech On Iraq Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:10:36 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/10/petraeus-reports-the-surge-surges-in-time-or-too-late/#comment-55279 [...] Neo-Neocon [...] [...] Neo-Neocon [...]

]]> By: Thomas http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/10/petraeus-reports-the-surge-surges-in-time-or-too-late/#comment-38098 Thomas Fri, 13 Jul 2007 03:07:46 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/10/petraeus-reports-the-surge-surges-in-time-or-too-late/#comment-38098 This kind of thing has happened several times and not only with Al Q. Whenever the 'other side' gets the upper hand the Iraqis learn they don't really like what they have to offer... then when we get the upper hand back things calm down.... This kind of thing has happened several times and not only with Al Q. Whenever the ‘other side’ gets the upper hand the Iraqis learn they don’t really like what they have to offer… then when we get the upper hand back things calm down….

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/10/petraeus-reports-the-surge-surges-in-time-or-too-late/#comment-38012 Ymarsakar Thu, 12 Jul 2007 03:24:28 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/10/petraeus-reports-the-surge-surges-in-time-or-too-late/#comment-38012 In addition to RIchard's comment, I have started to conclude that God and Destiny has a peculiar sense of humour concerning the United States. The US has been basically riding a tiger these last few centuries. Always propelled by change, social and technological, and always threatened both by foreign and domestic elements that must be dealt with before further advancements could be made. Things like the Civil War must be resolved, things like the trouble with the Ameri-Inds had to be taken care of. Many things, foreign and domestic, were challenges that tested the might of the United States almost past the breaking point. Yet the US has never broken, even as the challenges enlarged to species shattering sizes. The Cold War, however, came the closest to defeating the US, and would have had a good chance to had the Soviets survived their own economic disaster causing policies. So we skipped the specter of species annihilation and Perpetual Nuclear Winter, only to realize, as a rather funny joke, that as we faced the next challenge on our list that the old specter of the Cold War was still around! Because the Cold War was never concluded with a hot war, most of the assets in proxy nations and in the US, were still there for the successor to Communism to use. The Islamic Jihad has made great use of the Protocols of Zion, the US-Soviet proxy wars, and the Soviet propaganda apparatus in the ME for their own purposes. The reason why I see this as a joke by Greater Powers, is that it is a sort of back slapping lesson never to allow fear of using weapons that could obliterate your entire planet from Sol, to make you blind to the realities of the situation the US is in. Which is that of riding the tiger. Weapons, threats, weaknesses, and hatreds will always fester, grow, and seek to overthrow the progress America has made. They always have, and they always will. WMD restrictions will never hold, by themselves, because new weapons and techniques will always be developed. America will always face greater and more threats as time goes on, one after the other, replacing the old threats now eliminated and gone quiet. People thought when the Wall came down that we were at the end of history. Destiny and God had something else in mind, however. For the United States, there can be only two choices. Death or glory. In addition to RIchard’s comment, I have started to conclude that God and Destiny has a peculiar sense of humour concerning the United States. The US has been basically riding a tiger these last few centuries. Always propelled by change, social and technological, and always threatened both by foreign and domestic elements that must be dealt with before further advancements could be made. Things like the Civil War must be resolved, things like the trouble with the Ameri-Inds had to be taken care of. Many things, foreign and domestic, were challenges that tested the might of the United States almost past the breaking point. Yet the US has never broken, even as the challenges enlarged to species shattering sizes. The Cold War, however, came the closest to defeating the US, and would have had a good chance to had the Soviets survived their own economic disaster causing policies. So we skipped the specter of species annihilation and Perpetual Nuclear Winter, only to realize, as a rather funny joke, that as we faced the next challenge on our list that the old specter of the Cold War was still around!

Because the Cold War was never concluded with a hot war, most of the assets in proxy nations and in the US, were still there for the successor to Communism to use. The Islamic Jihad has made great use of the Protocols of Zion, the US-Soviet proxy wars, and the Soviet propaganda apparatus in the ME for their own purposes.

The reason why I see this as a joke by Greater Powers, is that it is a sort of back slapping lesson never to allow fear of using weapons that could obliterate your entire planet from Sol, to make you blind to the realities of the situation the US is in. Which is that of riding the tiger. Weapons, threats, weaknesses, and hatreds will always fester, grow, and seek to overthrow the progress America has made. They always have, and they always will.

WMD restrictions will never hold, by themselves, because new weapons and techniques will always be developed. America will always face greater and more threats as time goes on, one after the other, replacing the old threats now eliminated and gone quiet.

People thought when the Wall came down that we were at the end of history. Destiny and God had something else in mind, however.

For the United States, there can be only two choices. Death or glory.

]]> By: Richard Aubrey http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/10/petraeus-reports-the-surge-surges-in-time-or-too-late/#comment-37933 Richard Aubrey Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:11:39 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/10/petraeus-reports-the-surge-surges-in-time-or-too-late/#comment-37933 It is interesting, if difficult, to count as high as the number of people who are invested, for one reason or another, in a US defeat in Iraq. I mean Americans, not Islamists. There are BDSers, who do not want the US to lose the war on terror. They want Bush to lose the war on terror. The possible connection does not bother them, or if it does, is acceptable if Bush loses the war on terror. There are politicians who have run cynically to move their only remaining swing votes--the McGovernites--in order to win an election. There are the usual anti-US military types. There are journalists and teachers and ordinary citizens who have spoken so much and so fervently about how this is immoral and/or impossible that victory would be a personal and possibly a career catastrophe for them. It is interesting, if difficult, to count as high as the number of people who are invested, for one reason or another, in a US defeat in Iraq. I mean Americans, not Islamists.
There are BDSers, who do not want the US to lose the war on terror. They want Bush to lose the war on terror. The possible connection does not bother them, or if it does, is acceptable if Bush loses the war on terror.
There are politicians who have run cynically to move their only remaining swing votes–the McGovernites–in order to win an election.
There are the usual anti-US military types.
There are journalists and teachers and ordinary citizens who have spoken so much and so fervently about how this is immoral and/or impossible that victory would be a personal and possibly a career catastrophe for them.

]]> By: Lee http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/10/petraeus-reports-the-surge-surges-in-time-or-too-late/#comment-37917 Lee Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:40:36 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/10/petraeus-reports-the-surge-surges-in-time-or-too-late/#comment-37917 Perhaps someone can do better. Even my link is only a partial transcript. Perhaps someone can do better. Even my link is only a partial transcript.

]]> By: Lee http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/10/petraeus-reports-the-surge-surges-in-time-or-too-late/#comment-37916 Lee Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:35:13 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/10/petraeus-reports-the-surge-surges-in-time-or-too-late/#comment-37916 crossroad.toStumbley, Your link(and every other site that has it) says the youtube video is "no longer available"(surprising, no?) Here's a link to the transcript: http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/brainwashing/2007/bezmenov.htm crossroad.toStumbley,
Your link(and every other site that has it) says the youtube video is “no longer available”(surprising, no?)
Here’s a link to the transcript:

http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/brainwashing/2007/bezmenov.htm

]]> By: stumbley http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/10/petraeus-reports-the-surge-surges-in-time-or-too-late/#comment-37912 stumbley Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:32:37 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/10/petraeus-reports-the-surge-surges-in-time-or-too-late/#comment-37912 Lee: Found it. It was Yuri Bezmenov. Here's the link, at Pajamas Media: http://pajamasmedia.com/2007/06/from_the_kgb_playbook_demorali.php Lee: Found it. It was Yuri Bezmenov. Here’s the link, at Pajamas Media:

http://pajamasmedia.com/2007/06/from_the_kgb_playbook_demorali.php

]]> By: stumbley http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/10/petraeus-reports-the-surge-surges-in-time-or-too-late/#comment-37911 stumbley Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:28:07 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/10/petraeus-reports-the-surge-surges-in-time-or-too-late/#comment-37911 Lee: I wish I could remember. I had the link saved, but somehow lost it. It was an interview that had been YouTube'd, and was exceedingly interesting, in that it really explains a lot of what we've had to put up with with A and UB and their ilk. It's not necessarily that they're particularly evil, it's just that they've been taught poorly and know no history—by KGB design. I'll see if I can find the link again. Lee: I wish I could remember. I had the link saved, but somehow lost it. It was an interview that had been YouTube’d, and was exceedingly interesting, in that it really explains a lot of what we’ve had to put up with with A and UB and their ilk. It’s not necessarily that they’re particularly evil, it’s just that they’ve been taught poorly and know no history—by KGB design. I’ll see if I can find the link again.

]]> By: Lee http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/10/petraeus-reports-the-surge-surges-in-time-or-too-late/#comment-37908 Lee Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:03:32 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/10/petraeus-reports-the-surge-surges-in-time-or-too-late/#comment-37908 Stumbley, Not sure, but are you talking about Anatoly Golitsyn, former KGB major? Stumbley,
Not sure, but are you talking about Anatoly Golitsyn, former KGB major?

]]> By: stumbley http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/10/petraeus-reports-the-surge-surges-in-time-or-too-late/#comment-37906 stumbley Wed, 11 Jul 2007 04:31:15 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/10/petraeus-reports-the-surge-surges-in-time-or-too-late/#comment-37906 TomJ. Now you're just a buffalo chip. moveon has really gotten into your head, I see. I can no longer find a link to the KGB defector who, when interviewed, described how the West would be defeated from within, precisely by infiltrating sources of authority and information: academia, the media, and government. He says (paraphrased) "Our work succeeded beyond our wildest dreams. You have already lost." Certainly we've lost with people like you around. Truly one of Lenin's "useful idiots." TomJ. Now you’re just a buffalo chip.

moveon has really gotten into your head, I see. I can no longer find a link to the KGB defector who, when interviewed, described how the West would be defeated from within, precisely by infiltrating sources of authority and information: academia, the media, and government. He says (paraphrased) “Our work succeeded beyond our wildest dreams. You have already lost.”

Certainly we’ve lost with people like you around. Truly one of Lenin’s “useful idiots.”

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