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	<title>Comments on: More congressional theater on Iraq: the Senate&#8217;s all-nighter</title>
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		<title>By: Donald Douglas</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38451</link>
		<author>Donald Douglas</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Great post! The cots and bedding were for political consumption only - got to signal to the base that the retreatists are on the job! 

Have a great day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! The cots and bedding were for political consumption only - got to signal to the base that the retreatists are on the job! </p>
<p>Have a great day!</p>
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		<title>By: Wake up America-Dems IGNORE Vets from Iraq</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38452</link>
		<author>Wake up America-Dems IGNORE Vets from Iraq</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38452</guid>
					<description>&lt;strong&gt;Recap of the Senate All Nighter: The Next Day...&lt;/strong&gt;

The Democratic leaders had plenty of time to visit with others for a publicity stunt of a candlelight "vigil" with a group like MoveOn.org, but could not be bothered to give 5 minutes to the men and women that actually went to Iraq and Afghanistan an...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Recap of the Senate All Nighter: The Next Day&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>The Democratic leaders had plenty of time to visit with others for a publicity stunt of a candlelight &#8220;vigil&#8221; with a group like MoveOn.org, but could not be bothered to give 5 minutes to the men and women that actually went to Iraq and Afghanistan an&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: stumbley</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38453</link>
		<author>stumbley</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38453</guid>
					<description>Love the fact that Reid called on the dems to "stay all night, if need be" and then &lt;i&gt;bailed himself&lt;/i&gt; at midnight.

It's no wonder that Congress has a lower approval rating than the President. When one considers the necessary work that &lt;b&gt;should&lt;/b&gt; be done domestically, this hopeless charade just stinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the fact that Reid called on the dems to &#8220;stay all night, if need be&#8221; and then <i>bailed himself</i> at midnight.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no wonder that Congress has a lower approval rating than the President. When one considers the necessary work that <b>should</b> be done domestically, this hopeless charade just stinks.</p>
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		<title>By: neo-neocon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38454</link>
		<author>neo-neocon</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38454</guid>
					<description>stumbley:  One thing you can say for Bush, he's been lucky in his domestic enemies.  The Democratic leaders of today are a sorry group, and Reid is one of the sorriest of them all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stumbley:  One thing you can say for Bush, he&#8217;s been lucky in his domestic enemies.  The Democratic leaders of today are a sorry group, and Reid is one of the sorriest of them all.</p>
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		<title>By: University Update - Chuck Hagel - More congressional theater on Iraq: the Senate’s all-nighter</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38455</link>
		<author>University Update - Chuck Hagel - More congressional theater on Iraq: the Senate’s all-nighter</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38455</guid>
					<description>[...] Clark                       Link to Article                chuck hagel More congressional theater on Iraq: the Senate’s all-nighter &#187;  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Clark                       Link to Article                chuck hagel More congressional theater on Iraq: the Senate’s all-nighter &#187;  [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: The Unknown Blogger</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38456</link>
		<author>The Unknown Blogger</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38456</guid>
					<description>Let's suppose for a moment that the Democrats' winning control of Congress was, as some claim, a signal from the around 60% of Americans who favor troop reductions or removal in Iraq.

Given that the President and Republicans have thwarted any such attempts, why would we expect anything *but* disapproval of Congress?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s suppose for a moment that the Democrats&#8217; winning control of Congress was, as some claim, a signal from the around 60% of Americans who favor troop reductions or removal in Iraq.</p>
<p>Given that the President and Republicans have thwarted any such attempts, why would we expect anything *but* disapproval of Congress?</p>
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		<title>By: stumbley</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38457</link>
		<author>stumbley</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38457</guid>
					<description>On the other hand, let's suppose that the democrats' winning control of Congress was a signal from rank and file Republicans that the base was dissatisfied with its performance on immigration, earmarks, Abramoff and other issues. That would also explain the low rating, without necessarily supporting the anti-war view, wouldn't it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, let&#8217;s suppose that the democrats&#8217; winning control of Congress was a signal from rank and file Republicans that the base was dissatisfied with its performance on immigration, earmarks, Abramoff and other issues. That would also explain the low rating, without necessarily supporting the anti-war view, wouldn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: stumbley</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38458</link>
		<author>stumbley</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38458</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;"that the base was dissatisfied with its &lt;b&gt;(Congress')&lt;/b&gt; performance...&lt;/i&gt;

PIMF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;that the base was dissatisfied with its <b>(Congress&#8217;)</b> performance&#8230;</i></p>
<p>PIMF.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38461</link>
		<author>Bookworm</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38461</guid>
					<description>I was talking with a friend today about the vacuum behind the Democratic calls for withdrawal.  Unlike the Republicans, who constantly talk about (a) the threat of worldwide jihad if we pull out; (b) the risk to Iraqis themselves if we pull out; and (c) the long term benefits, both in Iraq and vis a vis jihadist terrorism if we stay in, the Democrats never talk about anything beyond the day of withdrawal.  All they can imagine is turning back the clock to the day before the Iraq invasion.  Their unspoken belief is that, if we do that, the jihadists will themselves retreat and make nice with us forever after.

The Democrat viewpoint inverts and ignores a few things.  First, while 3,600 American soldiers have given their lives for our freedom, the fact remains that it took 4 years for the jihadists to snuff out those lights.  &lt;i&gt;Before we got into Iraq&lt;/i&gt;, on 9/11, it took the jihadists three hours to snuff out almost as many people.  And since we've been in Iraq, there have not been any attacks on American civilians, barring contractors who have operated within the theater of war.  

Additionally, during this same period, jihadist attacks have escalated, not just against Britain which is our ally, but against all sorts of other people who have nothing to do with Iraq (attacks in the Philippines, Indonesia, and Russia spring to mind).

In other words, despite Democratic rhetoric, as to both Americans and many other nations, there is no corollary between increased jihadist violence and involvement (or lack of involvement) in Iraq.  

The Dems' posturing therefore is especially despicable because it's selling a bill of goods to credulous Americans who are not tightly tied into the news and have not realized that (a) American civilian risk peaked before we entered Iraq and (b) worldwide civilian risk from jihadists in countries unaffiliated with the Iraq war continues to escalate dramatically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was talking with a friend today about the vacuum behind the Democratic calls for withdrawal.  Unlike the Republicans, who constantly talk about (a) the threat of worldwide jihad if we pull out; (b) the risk to Iraqis themselves if we pull out; and (c) the long term benefits, both in Iraq and vis a vis jihadist terrorism if we stay in, the Democrats never talk about anything beyond the day of withdrawal.  All they can imagine is turning back the clock to the day before the Iraq invasion.  Their unspoken belief is that, if we do that, the jihadists will themselves retreat and make nice with us forever after.</p>
<p>The Democrat viewpoint inverts and ignores a few things.  First, while 3,600 American soldiers have given their lives for our freedom, the fact remains that it took 4 years for the jihadists to snuff out those lights.  <i>Before we got into Iraq</i>, on 9/11, it took the jihadists three hours to snuff out almost as many people.  And since we&#8217;ve been in Iraq, there have not been any attacks on American civilians, barring contractors who have operated within the theater of war.  </p>
<p>Additionally, during this same period, jihadist attacks have escalated, not just against Britain which is our ally, but against all sorts of other people who have nothing to do with Iraq (attacks in the Philippines, Indonesia, and Russia spring to mind).</p>
<p>In other words, despite Democratic rhetoric, as to both Americans and many other nations, there is no corollary between increased jihadist violence and involvement (or lack of involvement) in Iraq.  </p>
<p>The Dems&#8217; posturing therefore is especially despicable because it&#8217;s selling a bill of goods to credulous Americans who are not tightly tied into the news and have not realized that (a) American civilian risk peaked before we entered Iraq and (b) worldwide civilian risk from jihadists in countries unaffiliated with the Iraq war continues to escalate dramatically.</p>
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		<title>By: False posturing in Congress &#171; Bookworm Room</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38462</link>
		<author>False posturing in Congress &#171; Bookworm Room</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38462</guid>
					<description>[...] posturing in&#160;Congress Neo-neocon is an elegant writer, so I like her summary of the theater in which the Democrats engaged last night when they called for a slumber party to dramatize their desire to withdraw from the Iraq War [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] posturing in&nbsp;Congress Neo-neocon is an elegant writer, so I like her summary of the theater in which the Democrats engaged last night when they called for a slumber party to dramatize their desire to withdraw from the Iraq War [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38474</link>
		<author>Rick</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38474</guid>
					<description>Maine may make a comeback one of these days.  After moving to Maine from Georgia a few years back, the temptation to refer to the state as one of the People's Republics is overwhelming.  But I have found that a good number of people are right of center, but as the left controls the debate with the usual mechanics, moderate to right of centers are cowed into silence...most of the time.  

In our little town in the mid coast, the angry lefties are left sputtering when they figure out that their monopoly is being challenged, and they are beside themselves when someone actual introduces facts, logic, and reasoning into the debate.  Oh, they still rely upon - let's face it - mendacity to make their points, but it is entertaining to watch them talk themselves into a rhetorical box canyon.

But you're right, Snowe and Collins are RINOs in the purest sense...however, if you were privy to their opposing Democratic candidates, you would have the surreal experience of actually appreciating the fact that they represent the state.  The alternative?  Much, much worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maine may make a comeback one of these days.  After moving to Maine from Georgia a few years back, the temptation to refer to the state as one of the People&#8217;s Republics is overwhelming.  But I have found that a good number of people are right of center, but as the left controls the debate with the usual mechanics, moderate to right of centers are cowed into silence&#8230;most of the time.  </p>
<p>In our little town in the mid coast, the angry lefties are left sputtering when they figure out that their monopoly is being challenged, and they are beside themselves when someone actual introduces facts, logic, and reasoning into the debate.  Oh, they still rely upon - let&#8217;s face it - mendacity to make their points, but it is entertaining to watch them talk themselves into a rhetorical box canyon.</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re right, Snowe and Collins are RINOs in the purest sense&#8230;however, if you were privy to their opposing Democratic candidates, you would have the surreal experience of actually appreciating the fact that they represent the state.  The alternative?  Much, much worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38485</link>
		<author>Ymarsakar</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38485</guid>
					<description>Snowe and Collins aren't too bad. So long as you pull their particular strings, they understand what going along to get along means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snowe and Collins aren&#8217;t too bad. So long as you pull their particular strings, they understand what going along to get along means.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38493</link>
		<author>Tom</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38493</guid>
					<description>I would welcome your analysis, Neo, of how formerly staunchly rock-ribbed New England turned to the Left. I recall the 1st black member of the US Senate, from MA, was a Repub!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would welcome your analysis, Neo, of how formerly staunchly rock-ribbed New England turned to the Left. I recall the 1st black member of the US Senate, from MA, was a Repub!</p>
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		<title>By: The Unknown Blogger</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38497</link>
		<author>The Unknown Blogger</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38497</guid>
					<description>pollingreport.comStumbley wrote:

&lt;i&gt;"...let’s suppose that the democrats’ winning control of Congress was a signal from rank and file Republicans that the base was dissatisfied with its performance on immigration, earmarks, Abramoff and other issues."&lt;/i&gt;

On the other hand, let's acknowledge that &lt;a href="http://www.pollingreport.com/prioriti.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;every major recent poll&lt;/a&gt; shows that Iraq is the public's top concern, and that according to at least one, that Congress make "significant changes in U.S. policy in Iraq" was considered:

Extremely important: 40%
Very Important: 37%
Somewhat Important: 15%
Not Important at all: 7%
Unsure: 2%

That being the case, inaction by Washington on Iraq could conceivably account for not only Congress' low rating but also Bush's historic low as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pollingreport.comStumbley wrote:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;let’s suppose that the democrats’ winning control of Congress was a signal from rank and file Republicans that the base was dissatisfied with its performance on immigration, earmarks, Abramoff and other issues.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>On the other hand, let&#8217;s acknowledge that <a href="http://www.pollingreport.com/prioriti.htm" rel="nofollow">every major recent poll</a> shows that Iraq is the public&#8217;s top concern, and that according to at least one, that Congress make &#8220;significant changes in U.S. policy in Iraq&#8221; was considered:</p>
<p>Extremely important: 40%<br />
Very Important: 37%<br />
Somewhat Important: 15%<br />
Not Important at all: 7%<br />
Unsure: 2%</p>
<p>That being the case, inaction by Washington on Iraq could conceivably account for not only Congress&#8217; low rating but also Bush&#8217;s historic low as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38502</link>
		<author>Mark</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38502</guid>
					<description>I for one would like to hear of a poll in which people were asked whether they had heard of the Anbar Salvation Council, whether they knew that a large group of militants had abandoned al Quaeda and joined the government, whether they knew that X number of enemy fighters and Y number of bomb labs had been captured or destroyed, etc.  Especially important would be to frame it in terms of the &lt;i&gt;improvement&lt;/i&gt; since last December.

Getting into the debate hard numbers about public ignorance enforced by the MSM could only help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one would like to hear of a poll in which people were asked whether they had heard of the Anbar Salvation Council, whether they knew that a large group of militants had abandoned al Quaeda and joined the government, whether they knew that X number of enemy fighters and Y number of bomb labs had been captured or destroyed, etc.  Especially important would be to frame it in terms of the <i>improvement</i> since last December.</p>
<p>Getting into the debate hard numbers about public ignorance enforced by the MSM could only help.</p>
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		<title>By: Daveg</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38506</link>
		<author>Daveg</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-38506</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;“[the[public’s top concern...that Congress make significant changes in U.S. policy in Iraq” &lt;/i&gt;

IOW, the surge.  Which wasn't even in place before the very gasbags that screamed for it the loudest were already calling it a failure.

It doesn't get any more transparent than that.

Polls can never provide a full enough picture to be adequate indicators of what the public wants, and determining war-time policy by a cynical pruning of what they say is the road to disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“[the[public’s top concern&#8230;that Congress make significant changes in U.S. policy in Iraq” </i></p>
<p>IOW, the surge.  Which wasn&#8217;t even in place before the very gasbags that screamed for it the loudest were already calling it a failure.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t get any more transparent than that.</p>
<p>Polls can never provide a full enough picture to be adequate indicators of what the public wants, and determining war-time policy by a cynical pruning of what they say is the road to disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: state analysis and control room</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-40291</link>
		<author>state analysis and control room</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-40291</guid>
					<description>&lt;strong&gt;state analysis and control room...&lt;/strong&gt;

Your blog posts are insightful. I will take them into deep thought and consideration. Your point of view is very smart and intellectual. Charlie...</description>
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<p>Your blog posts are insightful. I will take them into deep thought and consideration. Your point of view is very smart and intellectual. Charlie&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Natalia Vodianova</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-49575</link>
		<author>Natalia Vodianova</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2007/07/18/more-congressional-theater-on-iraq/#comment-49575</guid>
					<description>Hello...Man i love reading your blog, interesting posts ! it was a great Thursday .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello&#8230;Man i love reading your blog, interesting posts ! it was a great Thursday .</p>
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