[quote]I use progressive as it is most strongly associated with the tradition of abolitionists and Reconstruction, Woodrow Wilson, Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt, JFK and Lyndon Johnson. In the 1960s, “classic” progressive liberalism (as you indicate) diverged from the liberal movement that has since become known as the “New Left”. Shared, or co-opted, terminology does not discredit original usage.[/quote]

I can’t say you’re all wrong… but I can that you’re not all right. Early on progressives threw out individualism in favor of collectivism. A little later (FDR’s terms) then they also became associated with Euro leftism and socialism. Around the same period, progressives co-opted the term ‘liberalism’, which before that point had no connection (and I would argue, should have none today as liberal really means libertarian)….

But you are right in that America is a progressive country. Even American conservatives are essentially progressive…. which is why Euro conservatives can’t connect with them and call them things like neocons, Marxists, trots, et cetera… But you go too easy on the actual group that calls themselves progressives.

You’re reciting from the Democrat /Kos Kids’ campaign playbook, aren’t you? I’m going to use that line with some of my Left/Lib family members and see how they react at their level.

C’mon…’fess up! What other howlers does it contain, or did DDB already say them?

You, like, think you’re so ‘smart’ and stuff, but you’re not.
So, quit trying to cyco-alan-ise me because you’re just, like, stupid and stuff.

The real threat to the economy is the specter of double-taxation of dividends to be reinstated by a malicious congress. (When everyone wants growth and nobody wants dividends, the P/E multiple shoots up and you get a bubble–like the Clinton Bubble.)

As far as the foreign debt: it’s been pointed out that all we have to do is keep bringing the deficit down and the interest rates on new debt will drop. And that will increase the present value of existing debt, creating a stronger market for it in case anyone decides to dump their bonds.

It’s the media’s fault that we’re seen to be losing.

” “The truth is if you look concretely on the ground in Iraq, the military situation is better than anyone expected. Better than David Petraeus expected. Better than those of us here at home who supported the surge expected six months ago. … And we’re going to win the war. I think we’re going to win this war if we just don’t lose our nerve here at home.”

He added later to New York-based radio host Brian Lehrer:

I think the media is understating the military progress that has been pretty astounding, I would say as a supporter of the surge. If you look at the documents that were made to argue for it, that say what could be done in six or seven months, Petraeus has done more actually; pretty amazing. I think the most important political progress has been happening on the ground not in the legislature in Baghdad, which is the flipping of the Sunni tribes in Anbar province and the beginning of splitting Shia away from the Iranian- backed extremists. So, I think Petraeus is doing a pretty fantastic job.”

Denial is wonderful isn’t it?

Sally – just know – you truly are not intelligent enough, knowledgeable enough to offer any criticisms of left-leaning individuals.

You are the sheep. And it is is consistantly, and easily demonstrated.

You do however, have the advantage of your passionate indocrinationed stupidity along with a remarkable (although fairly typical) gift of deniability

I love right-winger who think they’re smart. The’re the easiest to make fun of…