Comments on: Iraq: Spiegel bravely reports the good news http://neoneocon.com/2007/08/14/iraq-speigel-bravely-reports-the-good-news/ Tue, 22 May 2012 21:19:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Der Spiegel: Positive Developments in Iraq? « The New Centrist http://neoneocon.com/2007/08/14/iraq-speigel-bravely-reports-the-good-news/#comment-40110 Der Spiegel: Positive Developments in Iraq? « The New Centrist Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:09:25 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/08/14/iraq-speigel-bravely-reports-the-good-news/#comment-40110 [...] [Hat tip to Neo-Neocon] [...] [...] [Hat tip to Neo-Neocon] [...]

]]> By: Der Spiegel: Changing Propaganda Lines? « Sake White http://neoneocon.com/2007/08/14/iraq-speigel-bravely-reports-the-good-news/#comment-40045 Der Spiegel: Changing Propaganda Lines? « Sake White Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:00:27 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/08/14/iraq-speigel-bravely-reports-the-good-news/#comment-40045 [...] Der Spiegel: Changing Propaganda Lines? Filed under: Unconventional Warfare — ymarsakar @ 3:00 pm This Spiegel article came up awhile ago. Neo-Neocon weighs in. [...] [...] Der Spiegel: Changing Propaganda Lines? Filed under: Unconventional Warfare — ymarsakar @ 3:00 pm This Spiegel article came up awhile ago. Neo-Neocon weighs in. [...]

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://neoneocon.com/2007/08/14/iraq-speigel-bravely-reports-the-good-news/#comment-40044 Ymarsakar Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:49:03 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/08/14/iraq-speigel-bravely-reports-the-good-news/#comment-40044 The reason why my reaction to Spiegel's... article is so nonplus is because of their history. Described here. <a href="http://medienkritik.typepad.com/blog/2007/08/spiegel-onlin-1.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a> <b>This all stems from last week's Der SPIEGEL magazine cover feature article by Ullrich Fichtner: An enormous, fascinating and remarkably honest report on the complex situation in Iraq. (The first link above in bolded-italics leads to the English translation of that report.) SPIEGEL ONLINE is also publishing Fichtner's report that US troops are in a remarkably good mood and have high morale. That also flies directly in the face of past SPIEGEL reporting that consistently depicted US troops as demoralized, depressed, defeated, prone to suicide and suffering from low morale. As a long-time observer of the publication, my first reaction to reading this on SPIEGEL ONLINE was: Are they on drugs?! - this directly contradicts everything they've reported for the past four years! My second reaction was: Have they finally gotten off the drugs?! Maybe reality is finally starting to sink in! Keep in mind that less than a year ago, Der SPIEGEL published a magazine cover (depicted below) declaring Iraq a "Lost War". </b> I always must watch out for enemy propaganda operations designed to upset US or international morale. One method is to raise expectations and then gut us while we're looking up. The reason why my reaction to Spiegel’s… article is so nonplus is because of their history. Described here.

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This all stems from last week’s Der SPIEGEL magazine cover feature article by Ullrich Fichtner: An enormous, fascinating and remarkably honest report on the complex situation in Iraq. (The first link above in bolded-italics leads to the English translation of that report.) SPIEGEL ONLINE is also publishing Fichtner’s report that US troops are in a remarkably good mood and have high morale. That also flies directly in the face of past SPIEGEL reporting that consistently depicted US troops as demoralized, depressed, defeated, prone to suicide and suffering from low morale.

As a long-time observer of the publication, my first reaction to reading this on SPIEGEL ONLINE was: Are they on drugs?! – this directly contradicts everything they’ve reported for the past four years! My second reaction was: Have they finally gotten off the drugs?! Maybe reality is finally starting to sink in!

Keep in mind that less than a year ago, Der SPIEGEL published a magazine cover (depicted below) declaring Iraq a “Lost War”.

I always must watch out for enemy propaganda operations designed to upset US or international morale. One method is to raise expectations and then gut us while we’re looking up.

]]> By: Lee http://neoneocon.com/2007/08/14/iraq-speigel-bravely-reports-the-good-news/#comment-39900 Lee Fri, 17 Aug 2007 03:42:02 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/08/14/iraq-speigel-bravely-reports-the-good-news/#comment-39900 I predict we'll see snow in hell before we hear from "shirley"(a.k.a. Nancy Boyda) again. I predict we’ll see snow in hell before we hear from “shirley”(a.k.a. Nancy Boyda) again.

]]> By: Trimegistus http://neoneocon.com/2007/08/14/iraq-speigel-bravely-reports-the-good-news/#comment-39897 Trimegistus Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:49:22 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/08/14/iraq-speigel-bravely-reports-the-good-news/#comment-39897 Shirley? Must be one heck of a plan if it's taken you a whole day to write it up. We're all waiting! Shirley? Must be one heck of a plan if it’s taken you a whole day to write it up. We’re all waiting!

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://neoneocon.com/2007/08/14/iraq-speigel-bravely-reports-the-good-news/#comment-39829 Ymarsakar Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:33:25 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/08/14/iraq-speigel-bravely-reports-the-good-news/#comment-39829 <b>Neo is normally so dismissive of the msm</b> Not as dismissive as I am of the main sewer mind. <b># shirley Says: August 15th, 2007 at 2:20 am To find the kind of contorted thinking that goes on here one usually has to go to a Creationism conference. </b> Try reading stormfront once in awhile. <b>shirley Says: August 15th, 2007 at 2:12 am 190 dead in Kurdish Iraq today.</b> See, what did I say about the other shoe dropping? Neo is normally so dismissive of the msm

Not as dismissive as I am of the main sewer mind.

# shirley Says:
August 15th, 2007 at 2:20 am

To find the kind of contorted thinking that goes on here one usually has to go to a Creationism conference.

Try reading stormfront once in awhile.

shirley Says:
August 15th, 2007 at 2:12 am

190 dead in Kurdish Iraq today.

See, what did I say about the other shoe dropping?

]]> By: Lee http://neoneocon.com/2007/08/14/iraq-speigel-bravely-reports-the-good-news/#comment-39817 Lee Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:39:38 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/08/14/iraq-speigel-bravely-reports-the-good-news/#comment-39817 No, really. Terrorists in Iraq. No, really.
Terrorists in Iraq.

]]> By: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad http://neoneocon.com/2007/08/14/iraq-speigel-bravely-reports-the-good-news/#comment-39774 Tom Grey - Liberty Dad Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:17:19 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/08/14/iraq-speigel-bravely-reports-the-good-news/#comment-39774 Hey Shirley, are you comparing Iraq political progress, in a new democracy, with US political progress on, earmark reform for instance, after 200+ years of democracy? Or maybe immigration reform? Or health care? Or maybe Bush haters have the TV Hollywood schedule idea that 90 minutes should be about enough time to fix any problem. On the Der Spiegel article, he often wrote that the Americans were the Iraqi enemies. I don't think that's ever been true -- we were always the terrorist enemies, and have been the enemies of Baathists who fought against us. Since many of these are Iraqis, we were the enemies of anti-freedom Iraqis. Most Iraqis want to avoid becoming a target, I think. Hey Shirley, are you comparing Iraq political progress, in a new democracy, with US political progress on, earmark reform for instance, after 200+ years of democracy?
Or maybe immigration reform?
Or health care?

Or maybe Bush haters have the TV Hollywood schedule idea that 90 minutes should be about enough time to fix any problem.

On the Der Spiegel article, he often wrote that the Americans were the Iraqi enemies. I don’t think that’s ever been true — we were always the terrorist enemies, and have been the enemies of Baathists who fought against us. Since many of these are Iraqis, we were the enemies of anti-freedom Iraqis.
Most Iraqis want to avoid becoming a target, I think.

]]> By: serendip http://neoneocon.com/2007/08/14/iraq-speigel-bravely-reports-the-good-news/#comment-39773 serendip Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:17:03 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/08/14/iraq-speigel-bravely-reports-the-good-news/#comment-39773 Help: Someone is criticizing neocons on another blog. If you know the definition and are well-veresed in the topic, please go over to. (read the post and then the comments). Thanks. http://kamangir.net/2007/08/13/godfather-seeks-support-from-the-islamic-republic/ Help: Someone is criticizing neocons on another blog. If you know the definition and are well-veresed in the topic, please go over to. (read the post and then the comments). Thanks.

http://kamangir.net/2007/08/13/godfather-seeks-support-from-the-islamic-republic/

]]> By: Danny Lemieux http://neoneocon.com/2007/08/14/iraq-speigel-bravely-reports-the-good-news/#comment-39768 Danny Lemieux Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:13:48 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/08/14/iraq-speigel-bravely-reports-the-good-news/#comment-39768 Uh, shirley, those civilians were killed by the bad guys, likely Al Qaeda. Us going away and hiding under our beds would not change that, nor would it change the fact that those bad guys want to destroy us (in their own words). You and elvis have your own distorted thinking to sort through. Uh, shirley, those civilians were killed by the bad guys, likely Al Qaeda. Us going away and hiding under our beds would not change that, nor would it change the fact that those bad guys want to destroy us (in their own words). You and elvis have your own distorted thinking to sort through.

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