Yesterday I saw my first one of these:
Can’t say as I do. But that’s just me. I was never a big fan, even though I voted for him—twice, with vigor. But in the NH primary of 92, I was a registered Democrat and voted for this guy instead (RIP):
And if you’re wondering about the source for the title of this post, see this. And despite what that lyric sheet says, I stand with eliminating the “g” in “missing” and “kissing.” It was dropped in the song—listen up!
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Previously a lifelong Democrat, born in New York and living in New England, surrounded by liberals on all sides, I've found myself slowly but surely
August 15th, 2007 at 12:00 pm
I have to get me one of those buttons, I miss William F. Buckley too….
August 15th, 2007 at 1:03 pm
Gotta love all those vague virginal teens at their feet proving, yet again, that white kids can’t dance.
August 15th, 2007 at 2:49 pm
Even though my computer for some reason is mute, I can assure you, Neo, that you’re right. It IS “missin’” and “kissin’.” I remember “Baby Love” and every other song of that era phonographically. Those words are the kapok with which my mind- mattress is stuffed.
At first I thought you were talking about the song “Don’t Mess with Bill,” but that’s the Marvelettes, right?
I don’t miss him either.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:58 pm
You don’t miss an articulate, intelligent President who presided over 8 years of peace and prosperity?
Anyone diagnosing “Bill Derangement Syndrome” here?
August 15th, 2007 at 4:01 pm
Don’t feel too bad about the Tsongas thing, Neo…
Back in ‘88, I would have voted for Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown if he had been the Dem nominee.
In ‘92 I heard “that giant sucking sound”.
Kids…
August 15th, 2007 at 4:09 pm
Visualize wagging finger…
“Ah did NOT have sex with THAT woman, Kitty Kelly.”
August 15th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
UB-
That reminds me of a bumper stick I saw driving through Berkeley that read something like: “Remember Peace and Prosperity? Vote Democrat!”
The irony was that it was on a brand new Audi, so I guess the driver’s personal prosperity was ok.
As for peace, just because you are not making war on someone does not mean that they are not making war on you. The 90’s may have been a war filled decade if the WTC bombing had taken down the towers.
August 15th, 2007 at 4:24 pm
But, Marty,
We were at war or invading or bombing somebody for all eight of those years:
Bosnia
Haiti(”Your tahm is uhp.”)
Bosnia
Serbia
Kosovo
Hell, we almost went to war with Russia over the Pristina airport.
Remember?
August 15th, 2007 at 4:40 pm
Did I find another blocked word? That country at the Horn of Africa, Between Ethipoia and Kenya, with a capital named Mogadishu.
August 15th, 2007 at 4:41 pm
Yep. It gets blocked.
August 15th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
“—-lia is supposed to be at the top of the list.
Must be one of those drug spam things.
August 15th, 2007 at 4:52 pm
Lee: It shouldn’t be blocked. I have no idea why that’s happening.
Also, Tsongas was a good guy, and I do miss him. He was a social liberal and an economic conservative, and a relatively straight-shooter for a politician, sometimes accused by the Democrats of being too much like a Republican.
August 15th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
Unknown Blogger: So, let me get this right—failing to miss someone is the same as hating their guts? Strange reasoning.
Unless that was an attempt at humor on your part.
August 15th, 2007 at 5:06 pm
Neo,
I recall someone else having a problem with a word which included letters that spelled the brand name for an erectile disfunction drug, which apparently are blocked as spam.
The first four letters of the country in question is also a brand name drug.
August 15th, 2007 at 5:16 pm
I miss the 1960’s girl groups. Less so Bill Clinton.
August 15th, 2007 at 6:08 pm
Lee-
I agree that the Nineties were not a time of “peace,” if for no other reason that we are the world’s policeman.
I also fear that Bush’s term may also be seen as a time of peace compared to the near future if we withdraw precipitously from Iraq. The American presence in Iraq may be the capstone holding the Middle East together.
August 15th, 2007 at 6:20 pm
Marty,
Yeah. Technically, I was responding to Unknown Baby’s assertion the Clinton administration was a time of “peace”, but since they wouldn’t post, I thought it was because I wasn’t being allowed to refer to Unknown Baby as “Unknown Baby”, so I used you. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
August 15th, 2007 at 6:32 pm
“Soma” must be blocked automatically, because I didn’t do it. Let’s see whether this comment posts.
August 15th, 2007 at 6:32 pm
Odd. I seem to be able to post the word soma even without the quotation marks.
August 15th, 2007 at 6:42 pm
I honestly don’t recall much about Paul Tsongas’ platform from those days, just that he was one of the “also rans”. All I remember is he didn’t strike me as someone I “absolutely wouldn’t vote for”, like Dukakis.
August 15th, 2007 at 6:46 pm
Well, now it gets wierder, Neo.
Taking your cue, I tried to type “the country in question” without quotations, but capitalized, and I got a “duplicated comment” kickout.
August 15th, 2007 at 7:30 pm
You don’t miss an articulate, intelligent President who presided over 8 years of peace and prosperity?
If peace and prosperity is what you value, then by all means, join the Chinese Mercantile Empire. You’d be much happier.
Strange reasoning.
Eminently reasonable reasoning, Neo.
August 15th, 2007 at 8:38 pm
I was commenting on the fact that many of you seem completely mystified why anyone would have strong negative feelings about Bush, so much so that you have even facetiously named it a “syndrome” as if it were somehow irrational or pathological, meanwhile completely failing to recall the visceral hatred for Clinton by the right throughout his entire 2 terms in office.
August 15th, 2007 at 9:21 pm
Not as if. Just is.
People always want to change the subject because fighting on the home field always produces a disadvantage for the foreigner.
August 15th, 2007 at 9:59 pm
test post
August 15th, 2007 at 10:01 pm
test 2
August 15th, 2007 at 10:04 pm
MSG PART 1:
UB:
“meanwhile completely failing to recall the visceral hatred for Clinton by the right throughout his entire 2 terms in office.”
ooh, ooh, Not even close.
I recall only one conspiracy theory being “fostered” during the Clinton admin, if you catch my drift, and I do not recall Clinton being blamed for heat waves, hurricane land falls, infrastructure disasters involving fatalities or inner-city gangland style executions.
Thats off the top of my head..
August 15th, 2007 at 10:06 pm
MSG PART 2:
Moreover, we not seek to demoralize our own troops or undermine our efforts in Bosnia, Haiti and S country while Clinton sought his own nation building exercises, (although we werent happy with them), we did not demand failure of these goals just in order to shove it back at him out of the same shear hatred you guys have for Bush.
August 15th, 2007 at 10:08 pm
MSG PART 3:
And I mean shear hatred. I have gotten that personally from the tolerant and ever enlightened ones. The same people that cheered Ronald Reagan’s death at a local area bar. The same people who are so full of hatred they openly have wished death upon Bush, Cheney and Rove, and have done so publicly.
August 15th, 2007 at 10:11 pm
test 3
August 15th, 2007 at 10:12 pm
this sucks neo
August 15th, 2007 at 11:46 pm
Hi-
I’ll agree with UB that there was a CDS prior to BDS. the first time I recall hearing Rush Limbaugh he started his broadcast with “America Hedl hostage Day XX” where day 1 was the start of the Clinton presidency. It immediately turned me off to him.
I think that BDS is a much more virulent strain. Harry has cited plenty of examples.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:52 am
Although I’m philosophically an independent, I considered registering as a democrat in 1992 to vote for Tsongas in a primary–I didn’t end up doing it, though, because Tsongas had withdrawn from the race by the time my state had its primary.
As it was, I believed Tsongas had effectively characterized Clinton as “Pander Bear,” though I thought that particular term was childish and silly. Although I had a few hopes for Clinton when he came into office, I lost respect for him after his first year in office, when it was evident to me that he wouldn’t stand up for anything on principal mainly because he had no principals other than following the latest poll. (Let’s not forget that Clinton’s first year in office produced such memorable moments of “leadership” such as the first world trade center attack, the Waco fiasco, the failed health care bill, the failed energy bill, don’t ask don’t tell and the tax increase.) Still, I was always willing to give him the benefit of the doubt against the extreme and constant attacks of Rush Limbaugh and such folks.
That changed when the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke. It was so evident that he was lying that I began to wonder just how many of the other charges we’d heard over the years were also true. And when I saw how the so-called feminist left rushed to his defense, I lost all respect for them and their agenda, as well.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:52 am
Kurt: I also thought “pander bear” struck a way-too-cutesy note for Tsongas. But it was on the money as far as characterizing Clinton goes.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:55 am
Unknown Blogger: Not only have I not failed to recall Clinton-hatred, but I wrote this post comparing and contrasting it with BDR:
http://neoneocon.com/2005/03/21/how-about-those-anti-clinton-bumper/
August 16th, 2007 at 4:56 am
harry: you seem to be having some trouble posting. Do you have any idea what the problem is?
August 16th, 2007 at 9:51 am
iht.comneo-wrote:
“Unknown Blogger: Not only have I not failed to recall Clinton-hatred, but I wrote this post comparing and contrasting it with BDR…”
Here’s an excerpt from your effort to compare and contrast the two:
“the number of cars sporting these extremely negative anti-Bush stickers was far greater than the number displaying the anti-Clinton ones, which as I recall were few and far between”
Gee, thanks for that insightful analysis. What is it with you people and bumper stickers, anyway? You routinely dismiss polls as having absolutely no value, yet seem to have unyielding faith in the power of bumper stickers to provide insight into the populace.
I think you guys are having problems understanding the strong negatives Bush invokes because, as suggested previously by many of your regular commenters, many around here believe Clinton was a leader of the “totally insane” morally bankrupt left-wing who unforgivably lied about an extramarital affair.
Whereas Bush is Good Christian Leader, if a bit too “moderate” because he hasn’t launched nuclear strikes on North Korea or refuses to make wanton killing of Iraqi children part of the Rules of Engagement there.
It’s really very simple: Bush is an extremely polarizing figure whose public persona to many exudes an unappealing blend of arrogance and ignorance (whatever his true levels of intelligence and humilty may be), who frequently becomes petulant when challenged or disagreed with, who besides leading us into a controversial war with seemingly no end in sight against a country which never attacked us, has evaporated our surplus and plunged us into debt, and has consistently aligned himself with the far right on virtually every domestic issue while shunning any attempts at cooperation with democrats or even moderate republicans, etc., etc., etc.
On the other hand, Clinton, it is generally acknowledged even by his detractors, possesses remarkable charisma, can speak extemporaneously in complete paragraphs on all kinds of policy issues, is generally courteous even with those who disagree with him, brought the democratic party more to the center, oversaw the longest peacetime expansion in history, and enjoyed approval ratings in the 70s even while being impeached (which was not at all a partisan attack, that, right?).
That said, I agree that personal hatred for Bush and others in his administration among Americans (and definitely the world) is greater than that faced by Bill. But the stakes are higher now, and I personally believe Bush has even invited much of the rancor with his own behavior and policy decisions.
By the way Harry: PLEASE do us all a favor and stop believing that other presidents never got blamed for anything, and that only Democrats play politics with troop funding during military engagements. Just one example:
Senate Rejects Bid to Cut Troop Funding
By Brian Knowlton
Published: THURSDAY, DECEMBER 14, 1995
WASHINGTON: In a partial victory for President Bill Clinton, the Senate on Wednesday rejected a proposal to cut off financing for the troop deployment to Bosnia.
Chances for House backing of the Bosnia operation appeared slight. Although the full House is not expected to vote on a similar financing bill before Thursday, the Republican caucus Wednesday voted, 108 to 64, to endorse the measure to cut off money for the operation.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:48 pm
UB: … Clinton [blah, blah], oversaw the longest peacetime expansion in history, [yadda, yadda].
…
In a partial victory for President Bill Clinton, the Senate on Wednesday rejected a proposal to cut off financing for the troop deployment to Bosnia.
What is it with you people and blatant self-contradiction, anyway?
By the way, in the two paragraphs starting with “It’s really very simple:…” you could pretty much switch “Bush” and “Clinton” and have a more accurate judgment. What is it with you people and the inability to see your own sentiments for the mawkish, fawning biases that they are?
August 16th, 2007 at 8:10 pm
UB:
“Bush is Good Christian Leader, if a bit too “moderate” because he hasn’t launched nuclear strikes on North Korea or refuses to make wanton killing of Iraqi children part of the Rules of Engagement there.”
Yeah, thats always been a sore point with me and all my conservative pals. The wanton killing of Iraqi children. Great point UB. Because I know how concerned you are for the lives of Iraqi children. Im sure if we left now, the wonton killing would simply stop.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:12 pm
Seems to be working now neo.
Maybe you should switch to a clean, efficient nuclear powered website.
Im just sayin’.
August 16th, 2007 at 9:44 pm
Well, Harry,
The blog power technology is already starting to transition. Unknown Baby seems to be a “steaming hunk of…”
Oh, never mind.
August 17th, 2007 at 2:09 am
Bush is an extremely polarizing figure whose public persona to many exudes an unappealing blend of arrogance and ignorance
Then stop looking in the mirror, unk.
But the stakes are higher now
I suppose risking lives in East Europe is less important and risky than the same for Arabia. That’s a problem with your priority, not with the value of lives in the grand world stakes.
bankrupt left-wing who unforgivably lied about an extramarital affair.
Indeed, some people just have principles, and useless principles. It is more practical to modify ethics for actions that are more important or have a higher stake for unk here personally.
The only principle the Left obeys the principle of survival. And usually it doesn’t include the survival of anyone else except themselves.
What is it with you people and bumper stickers, anyway?
It is because unlike you and your Leftist allies, individual beliefs and actions have always mattered more than collectivist goodthought polls.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:45 am
“I’ll agree with UB that there was a CDS prior to BDS. the first time I recall hearing Rush Limbaugh he started his broadcast with “America Hedl hostage Day XX” where day 1 was the start of the Clinton presidency. It immediately turned me off to him.”
Seriously. But Vince Foster was as far as Limbaugh ever went, and he never outright declared Clinton was responsible (his “reach your own conclusions” tagline was especially annoying, because of its sheer disingenousness, given all the “suggestions” he always preceeded it with).
I don’t recall anyone making movies and books claiming Clinton was responsible for the Murrah bombing, though, so BDS seems a legitimate syndrome.
August 17th, 2007 at 2:58 pm
Tatterdemalian,
At the time, though, the left DID claim right-wing “hate speech” radio(i.e. Rush) was responsible for creating radicals like David Koresh, Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph.