Definitely, the most sensible thing i have seen in a long time….

Medical equipment companies put autodesk inventor to work not only as a. How this producer of miniature rotary drive motors used. And extend it……

“Laura and Donald need to get over themselves and their personal emotions and do some reading about the “big picture.”

Promethea, Donald and I have a very clear understanding of what the “big picture” is. “Get over” ourselves? That’s a patronizing and insulting comment to make to anyone making sacrifices in the GWOT. We hear stories from boots on the ground of what this entails. We see firsthand what the cost is, and we have a much more sober look at “the big picture”. Offering your commentary on what we need to read in order to understand that “big picture” underscores your own misunderstandings of what that entails. You contradict yourself when on the one hand you offer your “reading material” that clearly outlines that this is a hundreds of years of conflict, and then offer the following: “The sooner Americans can help Iraqis, Afghans, and others build up democratic institutions on a foundation of human rights, the safer we will all be. And if we can’t do that the nice humane American way, our children and grandchildren will have to take care of business the more brutal way.”

Let’s be really clear on this: This is a conflict that WILL engage your kids and grandkids. If you follow your own form of thinking, that the Jhihadis are patient and are prepared to fight for hundreds of years, makes the argument of protecting our kids and grandkids from that fight moot.

Not even you r4, can somehow fit it within your warped mind that “being a “former” war supporter (I would be one again if I saw any hope)” is somehow the same as talking about the “war costing us money”. Please don’t tell me you’re trying to claim that you were lying. Because that would, indeed, be ironic.

Regressing back to your childhood where you actually had a single worldview in your head in aggregate, doesn’t really do anything, either.

I was interested in what you said about Iran, r4.

There is a difference between a ‘safe bet’ and ‘evidence sufficient to goto war’ but, as someone pointed out, they might be able to fabricate evidence.

The fight should be “Attacking Iran would be stupid” NOT “Iran is innocent”. The first is solidly grounded in empirical reality that cannot be undermined by real or fabricated evidence – the second might be false and, even if true, might not matter if someone does a good enough frame-up job.-R4

Would you return to supporting the current war even with the fabrications? Would you support future wars other people start on fabricated evidence, so long as you see a hope for victory? The bandwagon is the least of your problems.

We already know that it is impossible for you, r4d2, to consider viewpoints that disagree with you. Yet your limitations do not limit us insomuch as they hinder you personally.

Go back to your playing hero on your PSP little boy.

I asked you before about what made you superior to the people you resented as having “almost NO nuance”. Your answer is that you are no way superior or rather that you are superior because you are more righteous.

Unlike you I take violence and matters of life and death seriously.

Being a “former” war supporter (I would be one again if I saw any hope) -r2d2

Allow me to spell it out for your compartamentalized mind to grasp. In clear and short sentences to avoid confusion. You will support the war in question based upon beliefs concerning whether there is hope of victory in that war, as witnessed and judged by you. Life and death must be one big game of odds with you. If things look good or hopeful, then you’ll support it. If things look bad… well, mistakes are made as you may imagine.

Did you know that this is why units break in combat? The soldiers lose confidence in their leaders and believe the battle to be lost and unable to be won. What would logically then be the point of fighting for a lost cause. When other soldiers see their buddies flee the scene, they start entertaining thoughts of defeat and uselessness as well. Thus panic spreads where a unified and disciplined unit might have held the position and fought effectively.

Bandwagon.

But we digress. Let us go back to your superiority over others.

the vast majority of responses to anything critical or negative about even just the HANDLING of the war were simply tirades about how I was obviously a war opponent who was trying to spread defeatism.

I surmise then that in some air sealed compartment in your mind, you believe you are better than the vast majority of responses that treated any negative handling over the war as simply tirades that the r4d2 unit spouts, due to the consideration that the r4d2 unit is obviously a war opponent and trying to spread defeatism.

How you can believe so when you respond to criticism by calling people little boys is simply a testament to your intelligence and excellence. For only the excellently intelligent may hold 2 and more contradictory beliefs in their minds at once.

honest appraisals from those who wanted to win but thought we were making mistakes.

Some people have honest appraisals designed to win but based upon the belief that mistakes had been made in war.

People shouldnt die attempting the impossible.-r2d4

So the question is, are you one of the honest ones? I assume you take life and death seriously because you will only allow people and the nation to take on challenges and wars that you believe can be won, but if there ever was a hope for victory against impossible odds, then you would immediately jump ship and become a supporter of that which you once stopped supporting. Speculation you might say. More on that later, perhaps.

I don’t devote as many resources to compartamentalized thinking, so you’ll have to forgive the lack of quality analysis on other people’s compartamentalized beliefs.

Maybe you do take life and death seriously.

the minister of interior has ordered a monument to be built in memory of the sheik, in addition to naming a police brigade after him-Comment r4 is replying to

LOL. This is exactly the kind of thing I would expect them to do if they were the ones who had him killed.-r4d20

Then again, maybe not. There are always at least two sides to a story. The tricky part is with the “at least” portion. Two people, yet one person with 3 sides to his own story, now that’s tricky.