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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/09/19/the-democrats-antiwar-strategy-wishing-will-make-it-so/#comment-42774</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do not represent 1% of Americans. Yet you feel a sense of bonding with those suffering in war. This is emotional and rather eph[e]meral. It&#039;s not based upon anything other than that you believe there&#039;s something wrong with 1% of America being at war. You adv[o]cate that there is something wrong and it must be fixed, but instead of cr[a]fting bills or criti[c]izing policies, you stick to lobbying individuals. That might be useful against Biden and other sen[a]tors, but what&#039;s the point of lobbying against people here? Do you think people at Neo, if convinced by your decl[a]rations, will be able to make your situation better?


THere&#039;s so[m]ething wrong with watching Senators like Biden debate on the floor as if it matters. After all, the major decisions are made behind doors when votes are bought. The senate debate sessions are simply performance acts for the camer[a]s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do not represent 1% of Americans. Yet you feel a sense of bonding with those suffering in war. This is emotional and rather eph[e]meral. It&#8217;s not based upon anything other than that you believe there&#8217;s something wrong with 1% of America being at war. You adv[o]cate that there is something wrong and it must be fixed, but instead of cr[a]fting bills or criti[c]izing policies, you stick to lobbying individuals. That might be useful against Biden and other sen[a]tors, but what&#8217;s the point of lobbying against people here? Do you think people at Neo, if convinced by your decl[a]rations, will be able to make your situation better?</p>
<p>THere&#8217;s so[m]ething wrong with watching Senators like Biden debate on the floor as if it matters. After all, the major decisions are made behind doors when votes are bought. The senate debate sessions are simply performance acts for the camer[a]s.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/09/19/the-democrats-antiwar-strategy-wishing-will-make-it-so/#comment-42769</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, if you wish for respect as a Gold Star mom, blackfive and Mudville Gazette are popular places to hold military discussions at. There, you will find many former and current military members and family members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, if you wish for respect as a Gold Star mom, blackfive and Mudville Gazette are popular places to hold military discussions at. There, you will find many former and current military members and family members.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/09/19/the-democrats-antiwar-strategy-wishing-will-make-it-so/#comment-42761</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;It’s easy to say “stay the course” when you don’t personally have to make those sacrifices.&lt;/b&gt;

The only one saying &quot;stay the course&quot; is you. Do you really believe anyone else&#039;s family in the military chose their &quot;course&quot; that President Bush would declare war against Iraq and conduct the war in the way that he did? Of course not, but staying the course is a useful catchphrase to replace real reasoned arguments, which is why you prefer the phrase, is it not.

None of these problems will magically disappear should even 90% of the US male population be mobilized. Israel has a larger percentage serving in reserves and the mandated military services than the US, yet their government is actually more left wing and appeasement based than Bush&#039;s. Who sets the course for the US and the military forces here is the government, and no one else. Military families can only, at best, be an indirect influence on policy by changing the minds of a few select individuals, but let there be no mistake, government and the leadership still makes the majority of small, medium, petty, and large policy decisions.

The US is no democracy that can have its course changed by a public plebecite sentencing someone inconvenient to death or life.

Petraeus is a general. Is he staying the course or is he not a general in your view? Or simply not a general that you agree with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>It’s easy to say “stay the course” when you don’t personally have to make those sacrifices.</b></p>
<p>The only one saying &#8220;stay the course&#8221; is you. Do you really believe anyone else&#8217;s family in the military chose their &#8220;course&#8221; that President Bush would declare war against Iraq and conduct the war in the way that he did? Of course not, but staying the course is a useful catchphrase to replace real reasoned arguments, which is why you prefer the phrase, is it not.</p>
<p>None of these problems will magically disappear should even 90% of the US male population be mobilized. Israel has a larger percentage serving in reserves and the mandated military services than the US, yet their government is actually more left wing and appeasement based than Bush&#8217;s. Who sets the course for the US and the military forces here is the government, and no one else. Military families can only, at best, be an indirect influence on policy by changing the minds of a few select individuals, but let there be no mistake, government and the leadership still makes the majority of small, medium, petty, and large policy decisions.</p>
<p>The US is no democracy that can have its course changed by a public plebecite sentencing someone inconvenient to death or life.</p>
<p>Petraeus is a general. Is he staying the course or is he not a general in your view? Or simply not a general that you agree with.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/09/19/the-democrats-antiwar-strategy-wishing-will-make-it-so/#comment-42760</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is certainly a case to be made that Laura represents her family, but where&#039;s the excuse that she represents &quot;many&quot; military families? Politicians at least have the excuse that some people voted for them, not every person and not every person that was alive but some people. What reason does Laura offer that she represents more than herself and her own?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is certainly a case to be made that Laura represents her family, but where&#8217;s the excuse that she represents &#8220;many&#8221; military families? Politicians at least have the excuse that some people voted for them, not every person and not every person that was alive but some people. What reason does Laura offer that she represents more than herself and her own?</p>
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		<title>By: Occam's Beard</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/09/19/the-democrats-antiwar-strategy-wishing-will-make-it-so/#comment-42748</link>
		<dc:creator>Occam's Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So that would be two &quot;no&#039;s.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So that would be two &#8220;no&#8217;s.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/09/19/the-democrats-antiwar-strategy-wishing-will-make-it-so/#comment-42743</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Occam says:

&quot;Laura, jJust out of curiosity, do you have any views that are not self-referential?&quot;

In context of the war, I have views that are &quot;group&quot; referential.  

&quot;Can you imagine a sound decision that adversely affects you personally?&quot;

It depends on the context.  If you are talking about the war, and continuing on the same course without end, and YOU would label that sound, then I see that that decision affects my group personally.  

I&#039;m not the only military family member.  You have radical groups both left and right.  Most are in the middle, like me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Occam says:</p>
<p>&#8220;Laura, jJust out of curiosity, do you have any views that are not self-referential?&#8221;</p>
<p>In context of the war, I have views that are &#8220;group&#8221; referential.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Can you imagine a sound decision that adversely affects you personally?&#8221;</p>
<p>It depends on the context.  If you are talking about the war, and continuing on the same course without end, and YOU would label that sound, then I see that that decision affects my group personally.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not the only military family member.  You have radical groups both left and right.  Most are in the middle, like me.</p>
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		<title>By: Occam's Beard</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/09/19/the-democrats-antiwar-strategy-wishing-will-make-it-so/#comment-42736</link>
		<dc:creator>Occam's Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura, jJust out of curiosity, do you have &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; views that are not self-referential? 

Can you imagine a sound decision that adversely affects you personally?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura, jJust out of curiosity, do you have <i>any</i> views that are not self-referential? </p>
<p>Can you imagine a sound decision that adversely affects you personally?</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/09/19/the-democrats-antiwar-strategy-wishing-will-make-it-so/#comment-42735</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn&#039;t a stretch to see that Republicans have lost the support of many military and military families.  To see just how my comments, concerns are replied to here, it&#039;s easy to see why.  

A combination of demographic and political changes has transformed our military and their families from reliable Republican voters into swing voters, whose votes were in play throughout the 2006 campaign, and whose votes will remain in play heading into 2008. Data from a variety of sources, including The Washington Post, the Pew Research Center, Democracy Corps, and the Department of Defense’s own armed forces surveys, consistently showed that military families’ votes were competitive in 2006 and remain so today. 

Such a shift in the attitudes of the military has important implications. The one and a half million active-duty military, the one million reservists, and the millions who comprise their families formed one of the largest, most important, and least-discussed blocs of swing voters in the 2006 election. Their growing distance from the GOP signals an important shift in the political landscape which could have an impact on our elections and, more importantly, our foreign policy, for decades to come.

&quot;Evidence also suggests that military families have turned away from President George W. Bush. In polls conducted by The Washington Post, these respondents persistently registered strong disapproval of Bush throughout the fall of 2006 and well into 2007, mirroring attitudes of Independents much more closely than those of Republicans.&quot;

Now, you might say that politics don&#039;t have any business mixing with war, and that would be completely naive.  They are blood brothers.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/09/14/military_donors_turn_to_democrats/

So, asking me who I will get behind to lead is a very loaded question.  I will get behind whoever can admit the mistakes that were made and present a CLEAR plan, not spin on AQI, with realistic expectations of the Iraqis and lack of the BS that seems to run rampant in these parts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t a stretch to see that Republicans have lost the support of many military and military families.  To see just how my comments, concerns are replied to here, it&#8217;s easy to see why.  </p>
<p>A combination of demographic and political changes has transformed our military and their families from reliable Republican voters into swing voters, whose votes were in play throughout the 2006 campaign, and whose votes will remain in play heading into 2008. Data from a variety of sources, including The Washington Post, the Pew Research Center, Democracy Corps, and the Department of Defense’s own armed forces surveys, consistently showed that military families’ votes were competitive in 2006 and remain so today. </p>
<p>Such a shift in the attitudes of the military has important implications. The one and a half million active-duty military, the one million reservists, and the millions who comprise their families formed one of the largest, most important, and least-discussed blocs of swing voters in the 2006 election. Their growing distance from the GOP signals an important shift in the political landscape which could have an impact on our elections and, more importantly, our foreign policy, for decades to come.</p>
<p>&#8220;Evidence also suggests that military families have turned away from President George W. Bush. In polls conducted by The Washington Post, these respondents persistently registered strong disapproval of Bush throughout the fall of 2006 and well into 2007, mirroring attitudes of Independents much more closely than those of Republicans.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, you might say that politics don&#8217;t have any business mixing with war, and that would be completely naive.  They are blood brothers.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/09/14/military_donors_turn_to_democrats/" rel="nofollow">http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/09/14/military_donors_turn_to_democrats/</a></p>
<p>So, asking me who I will get behind to lead is a very loaded question.  I will get behind whoever can admit the mistakes that were made and present a CLEAR plan, not spin on AQI, with realistic expectations of the Iraqis and lack of the BS that seems to run rampant in these parts.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/09/19/the-democrats-antiwar-strategy-wishing-will-make-it-so/#comment-42731</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tap, I am a registered Independent.  But, I am very frustrated about how the war has been handled.  Hard not to.  Lindsay Graham echoed those words yesterday on the Foreign Relations committee meeting.  

I think that whole MoveOn debacle is a dog and pony show, that&#039;s my opinion.  To take that much time on the floor to hammer it home while not bothering to vote on the Webb ammendment infuriates families like myself, middle minded folks who have soldiers.  On the floor of the Sentate yesterday, Murkowski stated that she was terribly frustrated by what she sees in her own state, Alaska, praised Webb for the bill and at the same time pointed out that it was unrealistic in order to protect troops already there.  My point is that to execute the war in realistic fashion, which HAS NOT been done and so many military generals have said so, one must keep in mind that only 1% of the population is fighting in it.  It&#039;s easy to say &quot;stay the course&quot; when you don&#039;t personally have to make those sacrifices.  So, if I&#039;m not conservative enough, tough.  Guess what, not liberal either.  Many military families find themselves in the exact position that I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tap, I am a registered Independent.  But, I am very frustrated about how the war has been handled.  Hard not to.  Lindsay Graham echoed those words yesterday on the Foreign Relations committee meeting.  </p>
<p>I think that whole MoveOn debacle is a dog and pony show, that&#8217;s my opinion.  To take that much time on the floor to hammer it home while not bothering to vote on the Webb ammendment infuriates families like myself, middle minded folks who have soldiers.  On the floor of the Sentate yesterday, Murkowski stated that she was terribly frustrated by what she sees in her own state, Alaska, praised Webb for the bill and at the same time pointed out that it was unrealistic in order to protect troops already there.  My point is that to execute the war in realistic fashion, which HAS NOT been done and so many military generals have said so, one must keep in mind that only 1% of the population is fighting in it.  It&#8217;s easy to say &#8220;stay the course&#8221; when you don&#8217;t personally have to make those sacrifices.  So, if I&#8217;m not conservative enough, tough.  Guess what, not liberal either.  Many military families find themselves in the exact position that I do.</p>
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		<title>By: Tap</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/09/19/the-democrats-antiwar-strategy-wishing-will-make-it-so/#comment-42707</link>
		<dc:creator>Tap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 01:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First words and last words in the column: Betray Us. This is not a &#039;credibility challenge&#039;. This is an accusation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First words and last words in the column: Betray Us. This is not a &#8216;credibility challenge&#8217;. This is an accusation.</p>
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