Comments on: Another noble Nobel peace prize http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/12/another-noble-nobel-peace-prize/ Tue, 22 May 2012 21:33:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Donald Wolberg http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/12/another-noble-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-44418 Donald Wolberg Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:18:26 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/12/another-noble-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-44418 The best was The Day the Earth Stood Still with Michael Rennie as the space man and a real cool robot. Come to think of it, Al Gore and the robot, named Klatu as I recall, look an awful lot alike, and I have never seen them together...hmmmmm The best was The Day the Earth Stood Still with Michael Rennie as the space man and a real cool robot. Come to think of it, Al Gore and the robot, named Klatu as I recall, look an awful lot alike, and I have never seen them together…hmmmmm

]]> By: Bugs http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/12/another-noble-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-44405 Bugs Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:24:14 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/12/another-noble-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-44405 Al's campaign reminds me of those old 50s sci-fi movies where the earth was facing destruction by aliens or meteorites or something. On the word of a lone scientist/visionary, the world's governments and people would instantly put aside their petty differences, submit to some form of central organization, and begin working as one to avert the disaster. I'm wondering if Al has something similar in mind. If so, I think we know who's cast as the lone scientist/visionary in <i>The Day the Earth Got Warm</i>. Also wondering if giant ants will appear at some point. Al’s campaign reminds me of those old 50s sci-fi movies where the earth was facing destruction by aliens or meteorites or something. On the word of a lone scientist/visionary, the world’s governments and people would instantly put aside their petty differences, submit to some form of central organization, and begin working as one to avert the disaster.

I’m wondering if Al has something similar in mind. If so, I think we know who’s cast as the lone scientist/visionary in The Day the Earth Got Warm.

Also wondering if giant ants will appear at some point.

]]> By: Jon Baker http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/12/another-noble-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-44312 Jon Baker Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:15:50 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/12/another-noble-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-44312 There is a group now going around documenting the conditions at Temperature measurment stations in the U.S. One thing they have found at some is artificially high readings have been introduced due to things like parking lots being built right next to the thermometers and the heat end of AC's being near thermometers. They are documenting this stuff on film. I have yet to see the mainstream media even admit this problem. Newsbuster's Noel Shepard first alerted me to it on that site. Very good site and worth a look. Also, FYI, "Big Oil" Texas now generates more electricity from Wind Farms than "Green" California. I have sent links in to News Organizations regarding this. When Bush was Gov he really got the ball rolling on windfarms. I suspect that is why they refuse to cover it.I provide a link to the weather site here: http://www.surfacestations.org/odd_sites.htm There is a group now going around documenting the conditions at Temperature measurment stations in the U.S. One thing they have found at some is artificially high readings have been introduced due to things like parking lots being built right next to the thermometers and the heat end of AC’s being near thermometers. They are documenting this stuff on film. I have yet to see the mainstream media even admit this problem. Newsbuster’s Noel Shepard first alerted me to it on that site. Very good site and worth a look. Also, FYI, “Big Oil” Texas now generates more electricity from Wind Farms than “Green” California. I have sent links in to News Organizations regarding this. When Bush was Gov he really got the ball rolling on windfarms. I suspect that is why they refuse to cover it.I provide a link to the weather site here: http://www.surfacestations.org/odd_sites.htm

]]> By: Donald Wolberg http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/12/another-noble-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-44274 Donald Wolberg Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:14:21 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/12/another-noble-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-44274 Sergey is very much on target. The fear of doing more things such as exploring for energy resources, shifting to a nuclear economy, and looking at the world we live in as more than that thin onion skin at the surface, hinders all our futures. At the core is a very bad educational system throughout the world that does not stress knowledge and is more concerned with political correctness than content or debate. The ironic scene of Cuba granting peroleum exploration rights to the Chinese off Florida while American companies are not able to drill because both Florida and the federal government will not permit drilling highlights the silliness of ignorant environmental bliss. Discussing how we can not build coal fired generating plants in the U.S., while the Chinese open a new plant every month, as do the Indians, is another of those disconnects that appears less than sane. Sergey is very much on target. The fear of doing more things such as exploring for energy resources, shifting to a nuclear economy, and looking at the world we live in as more than that thin onion skin at the surface, hinders all our futures. At the core is a very bad educational system throughout the world that does not stress knowledge and is more concerned with political correctness than content or debate. The ironic scene of Cuba granting peroleum exploration rights to the Chinese off Florida while American companies are not able to drill because both Florida and the federal government will not permit drilling highlights the silliness of ignorant environmental bliss. Discussing how we can not build coal fired generating plants in the U.S., while the Chinese open a new plant every month, as do the Indians, is another of those disconnects that appears less than sane.

]]> By: sergey http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/12/another-noble-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-44266 sergey Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:02:44 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/12/another-noble-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-44266 Influence of green lobby in Europe became dangerous: this totalitarian sect can now seriously deform rational policy and silence critics. This can cost a lot both economicaly and politicaly due overregulation and expanding government bureaucracy. Influence of green lobby in Europe became dangerous: this totalitarian sect can now seriously deform rational policy and silence critics. This can cost a lot both economicaly and politicaly due overregulation and expanding government bureaucracy.

]]> By: Donald Wolberg http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/12/another-noble-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-44252 Donald Wolberg Sat, 13 Oct 2007 04:34:41 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/12/another-noble-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-44252 Expat raise some interesting points. Indedd there is a great deal of confusion between "weather" and "climate." Of course a political component is introduced into the discussion and once can only be amused by the antics of Ms Boxer, from California for example, as she orates on global warming. Of some amusement recently, are the reports in the literatrure of the shrinking of the Martian ice caps, for example, or the measured warming of the moon Titan. Some astronomers have looked at the obvious--solar influences and thier impact on climate. It is almost like a bad Saturday Night Live skit at times. Expat raise some interesting points. Indedd there is a great deal of confusion between “weather” and “climate.” Of course a political component is introduced into the discussion and once can only be amused by the antics of Ms Boxer, from California for example, as she orates on global warming. Of some amusement recently, are the reports in the literatrure of the shrinking of the Martian ice caps, for example, or the measured warming of the moon Titan. Some astronomers have looked at the obvious–solar influences and thier impact on climate. It is almost like a bad Saturday Night Live skit at times.

]]> By: expat http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/12/another-noble-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-44250 expat Sat, 13 Oct 2007 02:44:05 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/12/another-noble-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-44250 DW, I live in Germany, which thanks to the Greens swallows any climate hype. I can't tell you how often one hears that this is the warmest April in the last 5 years or the biggest flood in the last 30 years. Forget perspective. These folks don't even understand modern history. Nor do they understand the meaning of could. One of my favorites from Britain was that flies could increase in number if... DW,

I live in Germany, which thanks to the Greens swallows any climate hype. I can’t tell you how often one hears that this is the warmest April in the last 5 years or the biggest flood in the last 30 years. Forget perspective. These folks don’t even understand modern history. Nor do they understand the meaning of could. One of my favorites from Britain was that flies could increase in number if…

]]> By: expat http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/12/another-noble-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-44249 expat Sat, 13 Oct 2007 02:25:47 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/12/another-noble-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-44249 Harry9000, Even a skeptic (not denier) about AGW can agree that sustainable energy sources can contribute to energy independence and ultimately stabilize energy prices as world demand increases. There probably aren't many in America who wouldn't love to tell Chavez and his Middle East friends to shove it. If Gore had provided rational arguments, he might have had more cooperation on practical ideas. But when he courts Hollywood types who want to ration toilet paper, he is winning over headless chickens. He is an arrogant jerk. Harry9000,

Even a skeptic (not denier) about AGW can agree that sustainable energy sources can contribute to energy independence and ultimately stabilize energy prices as world demand increases. There probably aren’t many in America who wouldn’t love to tell Chavez and his Middle East friends to shove it. If Gore had provided rational arguments, he might have had more cooperation on practical ideas. But when he courts Hollywood types who want to ration toilet paper, he is winning over headless chickens. He is an arrogant jerk.

]]> By: Donald Wolberg http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/12/another-noble-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-44247 Donald Wolberg Sat, 13 Oct 2007 02:14:11 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/12/another-noble-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-44247 The entire topic is fascinating and it is one of the difficulties in discussions that most folks seem to have a notion that modern climates are "Normal" or the "best" and quite the contrary is the case. Similarly the notion that current CO2 levels are odd is also contray to data easily found in the literature. In truth, throuh most of the last 560 million years (that is a very long period of time), the planet has been warm and ice free with high sealevels relative to land distribution. Interestingly, carbon dioxide levels were about 10-12 times modern levels. More significant, to me at least, is the amazing fluctuation in oxygen, 20.9 per cent now but as high as 35-38% in the past. I for one would be more interested in explanations of where all the oxygen has gone, much more significant then the level of CO2. Modern (last 10,000 years or so) climates really represent an "interglacial" episode, often repeated in the last million years or so and representing warm or warmer episodes between advances of continental ice sheets. The most drastic example of climate change imaginable was the end of the last ice age when most of North America (a lot of territory) and much of Europe was literally covered by vast sheets of very thick ice. And then it warmed and sea levels, depressed bu more than 300 feet lower than at present, rapidly rose as all that ice on land and in the sea melted--300 feet! For all the media hype about global warmin, there is no increase seen in sea level, except by local subsidence or other non-climate factors. Indeed, perspective is everything. The entire topic is fascinating and it is one of the difficulties in discussions that most folks seem to have a notion that modern climates are “Normal” or the “best” and quite the contrary is the case. Similarly the notion that current CO2 levels are odd is also contray to data easily found in the literature. In truth, throuh most of the last 560 million years (that is a very long period of time), the planet has been warm and ice free with high sealevels relative to land distribution. Interestingly, carbon dioxide levels were about 10-12 times modern levels. More significant, to me at least, is the amazing fluctuation in oxygen, 20.9 per cent now but as high as 35-38% in the past. I for one would be more interested in explanations of where all the oxygen has gone, much more significant then the level of CO2.

Modern (last 10,000 years or so) climates really represent an “interglacial” episode, often repeated in the last million years or so and representing warm or warmer episodes between advances of continental ice sheets. The most drastic example of climate change imaginable was the end of the last ice age when most of North America (a lot of territory) and much of Europe was literally covered by vast sheets of very thick ice. And then it warmed and sea levels, depressed bu more than 300 feet lower than at present, rapidly rose as all that ice on land and in the sea melted–300 feet!

For all the media hype about global warmin, there is no increase seen in sea level, except by local subsidence or other non-climate factors.

Indeed, perspective is everything.

]]> By: harry9000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/12/another-noble-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-44245 harry9000 Sat, 13 Oct 2007 01:38:19 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/12/another-noble-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-44245 <blockquote cite="">"Nobody is interested in solutions if they don't think there's a problem. Given that starting point, <b>I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is.",/b. </b></blockquote> Al Gore

“Nobody is interested in solutions if they don’t think there’s a problem. Given that starting point, I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is.”,/b.

Al Gore

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