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		<title>By: Just to do, and die &#171; Likelihood of Success</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/18/bhuttos-back/#comment-51079</link>
		<dc:creator>Just to do, and die &#171; Likelihood of Success</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have been an inevitability. . . .Whatever you may think of Bhutto’s politics (my recent take is here), it’s impossible to argue with her [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have been an inevitability. . . .Whatever you may think of Bhutto’s politics (my recent take is here), it’s impossible to argue with her [...]</p>
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		<title>By: blog</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/18/bhuttos-back/#comment-48831</link>
		<dc:creator>blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;hello...&lt;/strong&gt;

usefull...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>hello&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>usefull&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/18/bhuttos-back/#comment-44753</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;“Democracy is inherently more stable than military dictatorship”.&lt;/b&gt;

Democracy when it is just starting off, has many many wars and deaths that it causes. For America alone, people died because of the difference between a republic and a monarchy. Then plenty more died when the Native Americans allied with the British in Canada to attempt to push Americans back. We&#039;re not even mentioning what came afterwards.

What people know as &quot;democracy&quot; in this day and age is in actuality the Golden Age secured by two American nuclear bombs, the American military umbrella, and the American military supremacy on land, air, and sea. Economic might and control also plays a part, since people would much rather take money from America than fight in wars that might get them killed. Wars are begun because people on one side or the other wanted something, after all. When America says no, you can&#039;t take over your neighbor&#039;s country, other methods must be used. Like the UN and oil for food. Can&#039;t war your way to power and wealth, then might as well bribe folks. And if the US will actually give you money for talking about democracy, then that&#039;s good too.

Even Europe would still be fighting, democracy or not, without the United States keeping the peace on that continent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>“Democracy is inherently more stable than military dictatorship”.</b></p>
<p>Democracy when it is just starting off, has many many wars and deaths that it causes. For America alone, people died because of the difference between a republic and a monarchy. Then plenty more died when the Native Americans allied with the British in Canada to attempt to push Americans back. We&#8217;re not even mentioning what came afterwards.</p>
<p>What people know as &#8220;democracy&#8221; in this day and age is in actuality the Golden Age secured by two American nuclear bombs, the American military umbrella, and the American military supremacy on land, air, and sea. Economic might and control also plays a part, since people would much rather take money from America than fight in wars that might get them killed. Wars are begun because people on one side or the other wanted something, after all. When America says no, you can&#8217;t take over your neighbor&#8217;s country, other methods must be used. Like the UN and oil for food. Can&#8217;t war your way to power and wealth, then might as well bribe folks. And if the US will actually give you money for talking about democracy, then that&#8217;s good too.</p>
<p>Even Europe would still be fighting, democracy or not, without the United States keeping the peace on that continent.</p>
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		<title>By: Islam skeptic</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/18/bhuttos-back/#comment-44742</link>
		<dc:creator>Islam skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s a plan that sounds as good as Benazir looks&lt;/i&gt;

It might &lt;i&gt;sound&lt;/i&gt; good, but in reality it &lt;i&gt;is not&lt;/i&gt; good, considering the fact that it doesn&#039;t take into account the actual nature of Islam, as &quot;the reconciliation of the values of Islam and the West&quot; and &quot;a moderate and modern Islam that marginalizes religious extremists&quot; are impossibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It’s a plan that sounds as good as Benazir looks</i></p>
<p>It might <i>sound</i> good, but in reality it <i>is not</i> good, considering the fact that it doesn&#8217;t take into account the actual nature of Islam, as &#8220;the reconciliation of the values of Islam and the West&#8221; and &#8220;a moderate and modern Islam that marginalizes religious extremists&#8221; are impossibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: warren currier</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/18/bhuttos-back/#comment-44709</link>
		<dc:creator>warren currier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a correction:

&quot;Only Musharraf and the army can provide her the protection...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a correction:</p>
<p>&#8220;Only Musharraf and the army can provide her the protection&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: warren currier</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/18/bhuttos-back/#comment-44708</link>
		<dc:creator>warren currier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She&#039;s back because she loves the spotlight and she&#039;s greedy for more billions of usd.

Only Musharraf and the rmy can provide her the protection she&#039;ll need to stay alive until she leaves on her next holiday, which should be soon.

She&#039;s a greedy bitch who has ruined her family name while plundering the nation&#039;s wealth.

Pakistan needs to continue to rebuild its foreign reserves (with her far away from the till) and get busy building their economy along with preparing for more earthquakes, floods, draughts, food shortages.

If you hold a true election today neither she nor Mush wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#8217;s back because she loves the spotlight and she&#8217;s greedy for more billions of usd.</p>
<p>Only Musharraf and the rmy can provide her the protection she&#8217;ll need to stay alive until she leaves on her next holiday, which should be soon.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s a greedy bitch who has ruined her family name while plundering the nation&#8217;s wealth.</p>
<p>Pakistan needs to continue to rebuild its foreign reserves (with her far away from the till) and get busy building their economy along with preparing for more earthquakes, floods, draughts, food shortages.</p>
<p>If you hold a true election today neither she nor Mush wins.</p>
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		<title>By: sergey</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/18/bhuttos-back/#comment-44696</link>
		<dc:creator>sergey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 08:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Democracy is inherently more stable than military dictatorship&quot;. Only if democracy is possible, which is not the case in Pakistan and majority of Muslim societies.
&quot;you can kick the civilians out&quot;. Sometimes the kicking out requires military coup or, worse, civil war. In Turkey military is the only guard of secularism, just as in Egypt and Algeria. Without military grip on the government these states would pretty soon became islamist, as it happened in Gaza.
IMHO, it is much more easy to wipe out of the map any Muslim country than make it democratic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Democracy is inherently more stable than military dictatorship&#8221;. Only if democracy is possible, which is not the case in Pakistan and majority of Muslim societies.<br />
&#8220;you can kick the civilians out&#8221;. Sometimes the kicking out requires military coup or, worse, civil war. In Turkey military is the only guard of secularism, just as in Egypt and Algeria. Without military grip on the government these states would pretty soon became islamist, as it happened in Gaza.<br />
IMHO, it is much more easy to wipe out of the map any Muslim country than make it democratic.</p>
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		<title>By: Xanthippas</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/18/bhuttos-back/#comment-44664</link>
		<dc:creator>Xanthippas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The thrust of Peters’ column is to explain that, although Musharraf is far from perfect, his rule has amassed a better record than Bhutto’s, and that civilian leaders are not automatically to be preferred to military ones.&lt;/i&gt;

Peters is a fool. Yes, civilian leaders are &lt;i&gt;automatically&lt;/i&gt; preferable to military leaders, because you can kick the civilians out. See, modern Pakistan for an example of how military rule works. Or alternatively, Burma. 

Americaneocon, Musharref has been a strong man, but has he been a particularly effective one? Yes military regimes are stable, by virtue of the fact that they repress rival political movements. But they are highly unstable when they finally collapse; democracy is inherently more stable than military dictatorship.

As to corruption, I recommend an article in the most recent Atlantic for an example of how easily corruption has permeated the Pakistani military. Remember, power corrupts, regardless of whether you&#039;re wearing a suit or a uniform. 

As to Americaneocons points about the militants fear of democracy, I agree with that completely. They fear it because they know that a true democratic Pakistan will deal with them considerably more harshly than Musharref has while at the same time sapping them of the moderate Muslims who might be inclined to support them against the dictatorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The thrust of Peters’ column is to explain that, although Musharraf is far from perfect, his rule has amassed a better record than Bhutto’s, and that civilian leaders are not automatically to be preferred to military ones.</i></p>
<p>Peters is a fool. Yes, civilian leaders are <i>automatically</i> preferable to military leaders, because you can kick the civilians out. See, modern Pakistan for an example of how military rule works. Or alternatively, Burma. </p>
<p>Americaneocon, Musharref has been a strong man, but has he been a particularly effective one? Yes military regimes are stable, by virtue of the fact that they repress rival political movements. But they are highly unstable when they finally collapse; democracy is inherently more stable than military dictatorship.</p>
<p>As to corruption, I recommend an article in the most recent Atlantic for an example of how easily corruption has permeated the Pakistani military. Remember, power corrupts, regardless of whether you&#8217;re wearing a suit or a uniform. </p>
<p>As to Americaneocons points about the militants fear of democracy, I agree with that completely. They fear it because they know that a true democratic Pakistan will deal with them considerably more harshly than Musharref has while at the same time sapping them of the moderate Muslims who might be inclined to support them against the dictatorship.</p>
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		<title>By: sergey</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/18/bhuttos-back/#comment-44655</link>
		<dc:creator>sergey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No foreign force can install strongman of this kind by its own choice. The man must be popular with army, as was Napoleon or Pinochet, or Mustafa Kemal: initially at last army is his only power base. But Iraqi army cease to exist after toppling Saddam, and even if it didn&#039;t, its reputation among general population excludes its using as a political force.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No foreign force can install strongman of this kind by its own choice. The man must be popular with army, as was Napoleon or Pinochet, or Mustafa Kemal: initially at last army is his only power base. But Iraqi army cease to exist after toppling Saddam, and even if it didn&#8217;t, its reputation among general population excludes its using as a political force.</p>
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		<title>By: Americaneocon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/18/bhuttos-back/#comment-44653</link>
		<dc:creator>Americaneocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One irony, really, of Pakistan under Musharraf, is that some are arguing for a stronman in his mold in Iraq - maybe there&#039;s great stability in a regime like that. 

Yet, Bhutto&#039;s return, with the bombing, shows how frightening genuine reform democracy is to the al Qaeda barbarians. So maybe a strongman, from the terrorist&#039; perspective, is seen as actually the most compliant, especially if the military in a regime like Pakistan&#039;s becomes infiltrated with coddlers of the forces of nihilist terrorism.

Interesting, in any case...

Also, I&#039;m passing along this link on the regrouping of neoconservatism:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-heilbrunn19oct19,0,1500804.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

A great morning read, with promising implications!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One irony, really, of Pakistan under Musharraf, is that some are arguing for a stronman in his mold in Iraq &#8211; maybe there&#8217;s great stability in a regime like that. </p>
<p>Yet, Bhutto&#8217;s return, with the bombing, shows how frightening genuine reform democracy is to the al Qaeda barbarians. So maybe a strongman, from the terrorist&#8217; perspective, is seen as actually the most compliant, especially if the military in a regime like Pakistan&#8217;s becomes infiltrated with coddlers of the forces of nihilist terrorism.</p>
<p>Interesting, in any case&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m passing along this link on the regrouping of neoconservatism:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-heilbrunn19oct19,0,1500804.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-heilbrunn19oct19,0,1500804.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions</a></p>
<p>A great morning read, with promising implications!</p>
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