The things that haven’t changed since the surge are the hundred plus terrorist attacks every day, the ongoing refuge crisis as hundreds of thousands more Iraqis flee their country to escape the fighting, and the stealing from the American people by Halliburton et al.

Oh, another thing that hasn’t change is that there still isn’t a regular supply of electricity or clean water for all but a few people.

Yep, things are going just great in Iraq, couldn’t be better. But it is a true measure of Neocon policy — a bunch of incompetent thugs trying to force other people to do their bidding while stealing their oil. Democracy at the point of a gun is not democracy.

But, you won’t here that here. There is no “compassionate conservatism” for the 4 million who have fled or the hundreds of thousands who have died.

All you will hear on this thread is

“but we’re WINNING”, even though they cannot tell you what “winning” is…the generals have said there is no military solution in Iraq, only political.

Yet, they seem really quite happy to have the status quo politically while our soldiers die, the Iraqis die, the debt becomes astronomical and the oversight that was lacking for 6 plus years is hampering the mission.

It’s opposite world here.

Good response to the post.

Gee, I don’t know what planet patricia o’tuama has been on recently, but back here on planet earth, it would appear that things in Iraq have been looking up substantially of late.

Denial is an amazingly powerful thing. However, facts are even more stubborn and all of the ‘progressive’ talking points won’t change them, no matter how often they’re repeated. (Who said lefties weren’t religious?)

As for the WaPo, and others in the MSM and the democratic party, reading your post reminded me of the old saying that ‘victory has a thousand fathers, but defeat is an orphan.’

I just had to add this little fact to better rain on patricia o’tuama & Laura’s denial-trollathon,

More than 300,000 Shiite Muslims from southern Iraq have signed a petition condemning Iran for fomenting violence in Iraq, according to a group of sheiks leading the campaign.

from that neocon bastion of propaganda, the Washington Post.

Where’s the liberal compassion for Saddam’s victims? Or the thousands killed by Al-Qaeda? Any compassion for them at all? No? Only terrorists killed by American soldiers get any compassion from liberals, apparently.

You realize you are monsters, don’t you? You are. You sympathize with sadistic murderers and torturers. You want to abandon the Iraqi people to torture and death at their hands. You applaud when they kill Americans, and weep when American troops defeat them. You encourage them to keep fighting, keep killing, keep torturing. This is not compassion, this is evil. This is what you want.

The Times Online reports that large numbers of refugees are returning from Syria to Iraq. “The numbers are certainly large enough, as we report today, for a mass convoy to be planned next week as Iraqis who had opted for exile in Syria return to their homeland.”

Damn refugees. Don’t they know that they’re screwing up ‘the narrative’?

On the diplomatic side of the Iraq equation, U.S. officials said they realize time is short. “We’ve got six months because the military is leaving,” said one official.

Okay folks, where is BUSHCO and their political solution? Since we already know there isn’t a military one?

God knows what would happen if those Iraqis actually stood up on their own. Like every good enabler, they just might not be needed anymore.

That’s and expensive habit to quit.

I can even remember when she agreed to drop her ‘invinceable cloak of moral authority’. That lasted about 5 minutes. Apparently, as the sole surviving member of a military family, she had to don the cloak again.

Oh well. Be sure to tell us what ‘all the military families’ think again, Laura. Somebody may not yet be aware.

Of course you all still think that, contrary to all the generals in Iraq including Patreaus, that there is no military solution or victory in Iraq.

You again forget that the troops have completed their mission. The objectives were clear. Remove Saddam and rid Iraq of WMD.

No WMD and Saddam is dead. At what point are you going to realize that the Iraqis will need to define their own identity and map their own course? And, you still haven’t responded to the dirty little secret of the Iraqi Oil Law and why it was constructed by Big Oil interests in the US and why the law was crafted so that it only favored outside oil companies.

That make you feel patriotic and caring for the poor Iraqis that you often patronize as “defeated nations”?

Your sentiments truly make me ill.

Hey, way to keep hope alive there, Laura! Okay, I guess you had to admit that there might be a “downtick” in violence, and that maybe, allegedly, there’s been a “little” success (wince), BUT — you can still look forward to snatching defeat from the jaws of … well, I don’t even want to say it. I mean, there’s certainly no reason to think you haven’t read the minds of every single general in Iraq accurately, is there?

Yeah, I can see that. It’s pretty sick to hope that Iraq might emerge as “the least troubled nation of the region in a decade’s time“, as a result of the invasion. And pretty cool the way only you and a select few fellow illuminati have been able to work out that Big Oil conspiracy — wow! But have you looked into any links to Big Mac? I think I read somewhere that MacDonald’s is going to get the exclusive fast food franchise for the whole country! I mean, those poor, poor Iraqis! US out of Iraq!!

http://www.iht.com/bin/printfriendly.php?id=8353901

Involuntary Extension Assignment Incentive Pay
To qualify for the Involuntary Extension Program for Iraq the following must happen:
• Soldiers must be serving in a unit in Iraq
• the unit must be specified by the Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD) to
continue to serve beyond their scheduled 12 month deployment
• and including staging time – served 12 consecutive months or 12 months within a
15 month period
If all of these prerequisites are met, the deployed Soldier would qualify for an
additional $200.00 from of Hardship Duty Pay (HDP-T) and $800.00 from
Assignment Incentive Pay (AIP).
The additional $200.00 HDP is separate from the original HDP deploy entitlement of
$100.00 service members already receive.
The servicing finance unit in theater will compile a list of soldiers who qualify for the
additional money and send it to the 266th Finance Command (FC). The 266th FC will
then verify the list and send to DFAS for entry to the soldiers’ master military pay
accounts.
The unit must create a blanket DA Form 4187 for those members who meet the 12-
month minimum requirement. The DA Form 4187 must state “I acknowledge
that my extension beyond 12 months is involuntary, and
therefore, I agree to accept Assignment Incentive Pay (AIP)
of $800.00 for any month or/and portion thereof that I am
extended in Iraqi beyond my scheduled rotation date of
August ____, 2006.” The attached listing must be validated by the first field
grade officer, MAJ and above, in the chain of command. The field grade officer must
check the “has been verified” box on the form and sign it.

C. COMMANDERS WILL CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE SOLDIERS TO REENLIST OR
EXTEND. SOLDIERS WHO REENLIST AT ANY TIME DURING THE INVOLUNTARY
EXTENSION WILL HAVE THEIR ETS DATE CHANGED TO THEIR ACTUAL ETS DATE
AS A RESULT OF THE REENLISTMENT

D. SOLDIERS IDENTIFIED IN PARA 5A(1), WHO ARE ENROUTE TO OR AT
TRANSITION CENTERS (TC) AWAITING SEPARATION OR REFRAD WILL BE HELD AT
THE TC, PENDING DETERMINATION OF COMPLIANCE WITH PARA 10C AND 10D.

Google Stryker Brigade Alaska to see that half of the unit returned home, while the other half was in Iraq. The unit was told after the half that had left and just landed in Alaska to awaiting families that they needed to get back on a plane and head back. Murkowski delivered a rather passionate speech on the Senate floor about her fears for what the stop loss is doing to our military. Murkowski is a Republican, who one day prior voted against Webb, as did many republicans.

Is Laura suggesting that anyone who signed up was under the impression that as a member of the military they would only have to do those things they volunteered for? Pulease.

“Some law student emailed me while back with some questions, and after it was all said and done she told me she supported the troops. And I know a lot of people share that sentiment and it’s all really warm and fuzzy and whatnot, but honestly, I just rather you run out, sign up and catch the early-bird charter to Kuwait and get your ass over here ASAP so one of us can go home. Maybe we can arrange something, you know, by ones and twos and so on, pretty sure we could get all us over-extended types outta here in no time.

We got, by estimates, close to forty-thousand plus Joes involuntarily extended, stop lossed they call it now, cause dropping INVOLUNTARILY extended day after day after day I suppose places too much emphasis on the fact that a whole buncha us got stuck in the shit INVOLUNTARILY… cause, for all you non-incarcerated types, the usual nomenclature for being stuck in the service beyond your time is–used to be–INVOLUNTARY extension. Cept they had to twist the rules all outta whack and shit to keep the machine all lubed and oiled and chugging and belching and churning out the mayhem, and somehow, rather mysteriously it seems to me at least, with all that good ol’ troop lovin’ shit goin’ on back home they couldna find the 40K + dudes and dudettes to get us squared away and outta this mess. Thanks for the love yo.”

It’s the flypaper strategy all over again!

“And I know I know, spare me the retort… “Dude, is what you signed up for.” Right. I signed up for THIS. Sadist’s circus. Marquis de Sade’s Head-Chopping Ball-Blasting Brigade. Lemme assure you, if I had read some short-timer’s Internet lament and that fucker would’ve had the common decency to point out that the Army is more like a three-ring circus butcher-shop motor vehicles prison typa clustertastrophy I mighta thought twice before lending my body to the cause of someone else’s mocracy-buildin’ wet dreams.

If I ever make it outta this mess, when I make it out, I’ll make sure to support the troops likewise. I’ll realize my lifelong dream of washing up in a yuppie burb and my kiddies just done wrap up their SATs in high style and Stamfurd or Princetum are in the works and I’ll kick their fuckin’ asses if I ever even catch ‘em looking sideways at anything related to the military. Them having other priorities and shit and their talents being needed elsewhere and whatnot. Of course, we’ll all support the military all the time. Course. We’ll be havin’ yellow ribbon shit on all our stuff, little flaggies everywhere and yonder, and we’ll smilingly fork over that good tax shit to support the state’s burgeoning quest to keep us all safe from evildoer motherfuckers. If I ever see a legless vet with a board around his neck all ‘Help a homeless Iraq veteran’ I’ll be first to toss some quarters at the dude. Battle bros for life and all. And if I read about a couple-a-thou of the troops being INVOLUNTARILY extended, or stop lossed, or held over, or stuck in the muck, or jacked, or whatever they call it by then, I’ll be all supportin’ the troops and lamenting their sad tragic fate and misfortune. Maybe slap on an extra couple-a-yellow ribbons. Show support ya know.”

Joint Chiefs Chairman Peter Pace: Pace “is expected to advise President Bush to reduce the U.S. force in Iraq next year by almost half” and “is likely to convey concerns by the Joint Chiefs that keeping well in excess of 100,000 troops in Iraq through 2008 will severely strain the military.” [8/24/07]

Commanding General Odierno: “We know that the surge of forces will come at least through April at the latest, April of ‘08, and then we’ll have to start to reduce…we know that they will start to reduce in April of ‘08 at the latest.” [8/26/07]

Army Secretary Peter Geren: “[T]he service’s top official, recently said he sees ‘no possibility’ of extending the duty tours of US troops beyond 15 months.” [8/30/07]

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell: “[T]hey probably can’t keep this up at this level past the middle of next year, I would guess. This is a tremendous burden on our troops.” [7/18/07]

Casey, who was formally the top military commander in Iraq, appears to be hoping his blunt assessment will push the Bush administration to change its military policy. In a “highly unusual move,” Casey requested the public hearing, apparently hoping to attract more attention to the issue of the depleted armed forces.

Guess what, Laura? You can find a guy with this attitude in any war. You can find a guy with this attitude in any boot camp. You can find a guy with this attitude in any college. You can find a guy with this attitude on any McDonald’s crew. You can find a guy with this attitude upstairs in his bedroom railing against his mom and dad.

So what’s your point?

Is the fact that the word ‘involuntary’ is used in the term involuntary extensions your problem? Sorry that’s messing with your head. Did you know that every time a soldier washes dishes in the mess hall, it’s involuntary? I’m willing to bet you that almost EVERY single dish is washed by someone who would rather not.

Does the fact that he now has to wash dishes he no longer wants to wash negate the fact that he signed up for the military? Is it therefore no longer a voluntary military?

I’m sorry you are naive enough to think this way. An army can’t work the way you apparently envision it.

Not to mention picking only a few paragraphs from the middle of an article without noting what you are doing is misleading and confusing.

Neo has thoughtfully provided a place for conversation and debate, but I doubt she intended it to be a place for someone to show off their cut & paste skills.

Is that democratic or coldly, just the way it is?

The mission was clear, remove Saddam and the WMD. Mission accomplished. Now what? You all seem to be quite okay with ten plus years of this. But who to shoulder the burden, the mission? Of course, the all volunteer army will do it right? Wrong. You fool yourselves if you think this is a good policy. It makes you far less safe.

Misleading and confusing? Have you sought this information yourself, or are you quite happy in the reality that you’ve created for yourself?

Oh, yeah, I just love it when Laura displays her incredible mind-reading psychology powers! She knows exactly what everybody in the US is thinking!(”The US wnats to be the needed, wants to be the enabler.”), and her powers of foresight, when she tells us exactly what the Iraqi generals are going to be doing.

She’s a combination James Bond/Sigmund Freud.

11/23/2007 11:02:24 AM Retired Army Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, a former top U.S. commander in Iraq, is throwing his support behind Democrats’ effort that would provide war funding but would also force the White House to begin withdrawing American forces from the war-torn country.

“The improvements in security produced by the courage and blood of our troops have not been matched by a willingness on the part of Iraqi leaders to make the hard choices necessary to bring peace to their country,” Sanchez said in remarks to be aired Saturday for the weekly Democratic radio address.

“There is no evidence that the Iraqis will choose to do so in the near future or that we have an ability to force that result,” said Sanchez, who was in charge of combat operations in Iraq from 2003 to 2004.

The Democrats’ legislation would authorize $50 billion for the Iraq war but sets the goal of Dec. 15, 2008 as an end to combat operations. The proposal cleared the House, but foundered in the Senate amid a Republican-led filibuster.

“The funding bill passed by the House of Representatives last week, with a bipartisan vote, makes the proper preparation of our deploying troops a priority and requires the type of shift in their mission that will allow their numbers to be reduced substantially,” Sanchez said.

In October, Sanchez said the U.S. mission in Iraq was a “nightmare with no end in sight.” He also called Bush’s decision to deploy 30,000 additional troops to Iraq earlier this year a “desperate attempt” to improve the situation in Iraq.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=879eba2a-a4c8-473e-8ed5-7fd8d5570566

The “concerned dimwitted mom” talking about “military families” is now but a memory, replaced by the dimwitted wholly unoriginal leftwing activist parroting MoveOn talking points.

I’m not sure which is more of a nuisance, actually.

http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000809.htm

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=politics&id=5739472

uhhhh…..no.

…”the FACT that we have a draft now of all of those who volunteered, did their duty and are now told they can’t get out?”

You might consider that a draft if it represented a change in rules or if those who volunteered were not told of the possibility of that happening before they signed up. Unfortunately for your hypothesis, that’s just not the case. They know when they sign up that this is part of the deal.

“Is that democratic or coldly, just the way it is?”

Who or what EVER gave you the impression the military can be run on a democratic basis?? In what universe could you possibly imagine that working? I can just see it. Who wants to do dishes tonight? Would anybody like to volunteer for PT? We’re hoping some of you will choose to work out tomorrow. If anyone would like to go on tomorrow’s mission, try to let me know.

It would be stunning if I thought you actually believed that, but I don’t.

Actually it is nicely burried in the fine print. And, it is burried within the language of “declared war or national emergency” the first never being declared, you can’t declare a war on a verb and the state of emergency was lifted. Where does that leave us? With boots to fill. Too bad suckers! Right?

Thanks for the tiebreaker.

I somehow doubt she’s “military family” though.

You bet. A Google search on Iraq turns up 22 million + links, so cherry-picking through that should keep you busy for a while. Imagine the comment threads you could dominate, though!

Actually go and talk to these families who either meet a few times a week or month. Talk to them. Hear their stories.

I am not a bleeding hear liberal. I am just a mom. And, yes I am angry. I am angry at the policy that is hurting our ability to respond to other threats and what the Iraq conflict is doing to our soldiers and their families. I am angry when people like you seem to think it’s okay that our military is treated this way, and that somehow “they get what they deserved by voluneering” spin. These are american citizens who served their time and can’t get out. That’s just wrong.

Yes it is. Because it obviously drives you guys crazy not to sit here and pat each other on the back about “leftists” and “traitors” and Democrats “rooting for failure.” I’m sure Laura, as she appears to be sincere person, is actually trying to convince you of the rightness of her position. I however simply take pleasure in dismantling the weak and simple-minded arguments of others.

“I nearly clocked him…”
–conservative & novelist Tom Clancy talking about almost decking Richard Perle (neocon & war profiteer w/ Trirene, never served), after Perle sniffed that Colin Powell was a wuss for worrying about troops dying.

Well, you know the guy at McDonald’s can actually leave his job without worrying about going to prison. The soldier cannot. So yeah, it’s a little less voluntary. After all, if soldiers could just quit when they got sick of fighting useless wars, that might keep us from fighting them and we can’t have that, right?

No, this is what you wish people who oppose the war felt. That makes it easier for you to simply dismiss them. If you accepted the fact that people who oppose the war wonder what the long-term goal of the occupation is and how we’re supposed to get there, or greet five years of uncertain war with rational skepticism, or worry about the effects of the war on our national security and standing in the world, then you’d have to actually try and convince them of the rightness of staying, which is much more difficult. Easier to assume the worst, condemn them, and pat yourself on the back for being more noble and patriotic. Problem of course is…it ain’t true. The truth is you’re just not as thoughtful, or you’d see these problems for yourself.

I’m sure you have. The first thing people like this prefer to do when faced with difficult arguments that won’t go away, is attack the person they’re arguing with. It suits their mean spirit and simple minds, and it’s easier than actually thinking about the arguments you put forth.

Oops. Spoke too soon.

Dick Cheney–Did not serve (DNS)
Richard Perle–DNS
Eliot Abrams–DNS, Almost Served In Prison (AISP)
Scooter Libby–DNS, ASIP
Douglas Feith–DNS
Tom DeLay–DNS, Will Serve In Prison (WSIP)
Mitch McConnell–DNS
Rick Santorum–DNS
Karl Rove–DNS
Bill Kristol–DNS
Paul Wolfowitz–DNS
Newt Gingrich–DNS
Jon Kyl–DNS
John Cronyn–DNS
Saxby Chambliss–DNS

Special Award:
Rusty Limbaugh–DNS, WSIP?

“The management of this war has been an abysmal failure.”–Alphonse D’Amato

“…Go insurgents go! Go insurgents go!…”

–jimfocus chanting for catastrophic defeat for America earlier today

And how could you support any member of Congress, if you haven’t been a Congressman?

Obviously you couldn’t have supported Bill Clinton (notably absent from your list), unless you too had dodged the draft, gone to Oxford, and been governor of Arkansas.

Did you support your wife in childbirth? How could you, if you hadn’t given birth yourself (pace Laura)?

You see the point. It’s a silly argument, but apparently appeals to the liberal’s passion for identity politics.

But you are rooting for failure (without scare quotes), aren’t you? I mean seriously — what if the US (and Iraq) were to actually succeed (also without scare quotes)? And what if such success were actually to begin to make a difference for the better, throughout the region? Wouldn’t that demolish your whole, increasingly fragile belief system? Yes, I think it would.

See, this is actually just entertainment for us — I really think it’s you lefty losers who are going a little crazy.

If its such a silly issue why did you spend so much time constructing nonanalagous examples, pretending you don’t get the point? You know perfectly well what I’m talking about, which puts me in the company of such silly people like Patreaus, Powell, Shinseki, Zinni, the JCOS, Ike, Patton, Einstein, etc. It’s why Clancy wanted to smack the arrogant, glib out-of-touch Perle (who never served) down to the ground. Nothing quite rounds out your life’s experiential base for making life-threatening decisions like having a gun pointed at you and fired, and vice-versa–take my word for it. If you never put yourself in that situation, and never will, be at least a little more humble and circumspect about lives that are about to be lost. Also, any gung ho pro-war conservative, 18-32, that refuses to volunteer for Iraq (there are apparently millions of them) is simply a 5 star phony. Oh, it’s the point when it comes to who decides to go to war & who actually does.

I’d be thrilled and surprised if it all works out, in the meantime I’m not going to be blind and not realize the disaster unfolding throughout the region. Why do you think the surge came about? Becauses of the heavy criticism of the war strategy up to then– criticism which you neocons complained about. You know, skepticism used to be a cornerstone of conservatism.

You must be refering to Stop Gap. What Bush has to do with this policy that has been effective for long before he was ever in power, is something only Laura and her hate knows.

You can almost hear the axe grinding going on, Tap, Talkin, Occam.

I suppose if Laura reads and talks to people like this, she deserves to get depressed and her spirit broken. You can only be cheerful and optimistic around such people for so long.

Other people that are around these kinds of folks have a different attitude just because.

If such folks are annoyed at these reminders of civilian support, then I’m sure there are plenty of Marines and SF and other military folks that would welcome such comments from Americans. There is nothing that the American people can do about the government policy on STOP Gap. Remember KELO? There are strict limits on the power of individual Americans, without Presidential and Congressional support. It is the price of a Republic. Some people don’t like that. The difference is, some people try to fix it while others simply complain about it not being already fixed.

First, I knew perfectly well what you were referring to, and made no pretense otherwise. I simply reject your point as risible.

Second, my examples are precisely analogous, and address your implicit point, viz., that only those with corresponding experience are entitled to an opinion, or specifically to express support (criticizing is A-OK, however; DU, DailyKos, and HuffPo have scarcely a kind word for the troops).

Third, why did you omit Clinton? He’s by far the most egregious offender vis a vis not serving and putting troops in harm’s way (e.g., the Balkans, where they are to this day). The others may not have served, but IIRC did not actually go out of their way to dodge the draft.

Fourth, think. Limiting public discourse to veterans would seem to be a galloping start on fascism (and before anyone (?) asks, the privilege would not extend to family members).

Further to this last point, since only a veteran can be President, because only a veteran can justify sending troops into harm’s way, McCain is our only choice. Osama, Clinton & Co. should withdraw now, right?

The argument is juvenile, and meretricious.

This may be just me, but I find that pretty hilarious given the reality of X’s misuse of logic and other tools of reason.

That’s why she avoids arguing with me, Talkin.

Is the fact that the word ‘involuntary’ is used in the term involuntary extensions your problem? Sorry that’s messing with your head. Did you know that every time a soldier washes dishes in the mess hall, it’s involuntary? I’m willing to bet you that almost EVERY single dish is washed by someone who would rather not.-Tap

Since that is not a priority to Laura, Tap, I don’t think it will change anything really. If a person wants to get into the military and then wants out because he doesn’t like it there, can you convince him otherwise? Maybe, but it would probably take money and some reforms. But you can’t convince him to shift his priorities elsewhere. That, cannot done. At least, not legally.

“America Surrender! America Surrender!”
–jimfocus practicing liberal dogma this pm

I don’t remember making all those arguments you want to assign to me. I’ve never been a big Clinton fan, may have been a mental block. No I think my point is well put, so Einstein, Ike, Patton Powell are also silly and juvenile (hope we aren’t drifting back into name-calling)? Again, referencing the Perle-Clancy incident, many of these gung-ho neo cons in the Bush adm (who are largely gone now) had over the top frat boy naivete about war, and that may have been tempered by actually serving, or seeking the counsel of a great man like Powell, rather than belittling and insulting him–get the point now? Not so many mistakes (which were monumental) may not have been made. Still can’t agree? (I do enjoy your posts, btw)

Big difference.

No. The surge came about because the war strategy up to then wasn’t working — it’s called being flexible. And the criticism that not just “we neocons”, but people of good will complained about wasn’t the rational sort directed at war strategy to that point — many neocons were themselves critics of that sort after all — but rather was the MoveOn sort that was intended to undermine any war strategy at all. Yes, Jimmy, there really are “America Surrender!” lefties out there (see, e.g., the Pilger quote from an earlier neo post)– and making common cause with them just makes you one too.

You mean I’m a fellow traveler? Yeee Hah! I’ve always wanted to be—but I digress…

“If your mommies a commie, then ya got to turn her in!”

What an understatement! The…war…strategy…up…to…that…time…wasn’t…working?!?! And who in the world thought up the war strategy that wasn’t working, let’s see, wait a minute–could it have been–the neocons!!! I think so. Remember, it was Rummy and the DOD neocons, the Perles on the DAC, that mocked Powell and Shinseki about the actual number of troops needed? McCain (who hated the young smart-mouthed neocons) was also ignored. More troops in Bagdad was adopted late by the neocons(what was left of them) to wipe the egg off their collective faces. Oh man, you guys have me doubled over today, I’ve got tears coming down my face–keep it coming neocons–you’re the gift that keeps on givin’.

“Yeeeee Hah!!”
–Slim Pickens, Dr. Strangelove

jimfocus practicing for his DailyKos Hate America Super Secret Cell meeting tonight in his STL neighborhood. All comrades welcome.

“Yeeeee Hah!!”

No matter. I think we can safely say, at least, that apart from hee-haw, he has nothing more to contribute.

I loved neo-neocon’s Robert E. Lee quote:

It appears we have appointed our worst generals to command forces, and our most gifted and brilliant to edit newspapers. In fact, I discovered by reading newspapers that these editor/geniuses plainly saw all my strategic defects from the start, yet failed to inform me until it was too late.

“Accordingly, I am readily willing to yield my command to these obviously superior intellects, and I will, in turn, do my best for the
Cause by writing editorials - after the fact.L

Who’s left.

GOOD GOD! THE WHOLE WORLD IS TURNING LEFT!

Yeeee Hah!!

P.S., cell meeting @ 9 tonight, pass word is swordfish

“The new leadership under a liberal coalition government replaced the conservative nationalist government of former Prime Minister Kaczynski that endorsed the deployment of Polish troops in Iraq.

During Tusk’s election campaign, he advocated the withdrawal of Poland’s forces in Iraq. Officials of the government expect Tusk to provide further details on the pullout later this week.”

You should have seen what Sherman said about reporters.

To counter Laura’s spin, since she won’t put up a fair fight, here it is.

I’ve just returned from a week in Iraq with Gen. David Petraeus and his operational commanders. My intent was to look at events from an operational perspective and assess the surge. What I got was a soldier’s sense of what’s happening on the ground and, although the jury is still out on the surge, I came to the conclusion that we may now be reaching the “culminating point” in this war.

The culminating point marks the shift in advantage from one side to the other, when the outcome becomes irreversible: The potential loser can inflict casualties, but has lost all chance of victory. The only issue is how much longer the war will last, and what the butcher’s bill will be.

Link

# Laura Says:
November 24th, 2007 at 6:11 pm

Who’s left.

This has nothing to do with improving Ameri