Couglin has produced an extremely enlightening and fascinating look at this subject in his thesis, “To Our Great Detriment” found here at http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.176/pub_detail.asp,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKne9k08iNc

2miin 49sec
the “meat” is at to 4min 40sec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vypKSWHlnKA
I recommend the whole thing
but the “meat” is at 5min 11sec

Plus I plotted jihad attacks 2003 – Jan 2007 here
http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312/attacks.html

http://www.islam-watch.org/Warner/Taqiyya-Islamic-Principle-Lying-for-Allah.htm

The Spanish did in fact engage in an outright conquest (although the Spanish crown attempted to moderate the conquest), however the English settlers attempted to live with the Indians.

Inboth New England and Virginia, the initial English settlers bought their land from the indians. The first major indian war was in Virginia in 1622, when the indians attempted to exterminate the English in a viscious surprise attack.

The reality is that the relationship between English(later US) and indian was dominated by an effort by the English (US) to get along with the indians. It was simply not possible for cultures with such divergent values with respect to property rights, etc., to coexist.

An example: at the end of Red Cloud’s War, Red Cloud was presented a fancy Winchester 1873 rifle, the most advanced repeating rifle at the time. In the subsequent Little Bighorn campaign, Red Cloud gave the rifle to, IIRC, his cousin. Red Cloud had signed a treaty, and couldn’t fight the white man, but the treaty was only binding to Red Cloud himself, in the indian view of the world.

Incidently, the 1873 Winchester presented to red Cloud may have been the most advanced rifle used in the battle. The indians had at least 200 of the earlier rimfire Winchester 1866 models and Henry rifles. The soldiers were using single shot Trapdoor Springfields. Custer himself used a single shot Remington rolling block.

No — we went to ME to stop people from there killing US. Which means killing some of THEM.

Also, the phrase used to describe you was “as though this filth would be fit to clean Hirsi Ali’s shoes” — meaning that you’re NOT. The difference between your lies and hers, by the way, is that hers were needed to save her life from the vicious culture you spend all your time apologizing for; yours are used to smear the victims of that same miserable and deranged bunch of killers and thugs.

How’s that for “downy comments”?

To those who through on me their words of laying, I am here raising the Ali’s distrusts behaviour and lies, so in one side you are defend a liar, and in other side you claiming with “insulting” and “disgusted” of my “lies” can you tell me here the difference why Ali’s lies ok for you?

Never mind Ali’s thoughts and views about Islam its her right to say and what she thinks about Islam, neither Christianity nor Judaism can be damaged and broken by words of some individuals who seek fame in this world this is not first time and not will be the last and history have many examples to tell.

But what interesting here this view which may I failed to convey to you about the problem with Muslims and Islam:

Many first-generation Muslims who arrived in the West at the close of Empire were too burdened financially to successfully integrate, Ramadan argues in Western Muslims and the Future of Islam, and the situation is now radically different. New immigrants had known religion mainly as a cultural practice and transmitted it to their children without a firm knowledge of its edicts, managing nonetheless to instill in them “an intuitive understanding of and respect of faith”. With younger Muslims turning to the sources, Quran and Sunna, new sides of Islam are emphasised, perhaps endangering the cultural relativism of Islam in its Arab, African and Asian forms? “I don’t have a problem with cultural dress,” Ramadan responds, “unless cultural practice stops you from being open to how Islam is practised in different countries, producing the idea that only Islam as it is practised in, say, Bangladesh or Saudi Arabia, is correct. There is of course a serious issue at stake here: when cultural dress is mistakenly understood as a principle of Islam, as, for instance, in the case of female genital mutilation.”

Middle East studies in the News

And for those who seek to know more about Islam and science this may be good article giving brief window to it.

Rediscovering Arabic Science
Written by Richard Covington

Finally to those who used insulting words like reply with ” this filth would be fit to clean Hirsi Ali’s shoes” and ” You wanna be next?” or ” just f* ban them”, these are very downy comments made which reflect how some very short minded and short-sighted people illusionary guys who don’t like to hear people their tones different from theirs, really not worth replay to them.
But reminder grows up guys and remembers that your country (presumably you are all US citizens) went to ME to help people and free them for better change and better life for them and their future generations not KILLING them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/books/review/Ali-t.html

I’m not so sure extreme thoughts on tolerance, and such, are really outgrowths of Enlightenment thought… pushed too far. I mostly agree with her, it’s a sort of rationalization of tribalism or whatever you call it (anti westernism?) via romanticism…