Comments on: Cultural and moral relativism (Part II) http://neoneocon.com/2008/01/10/cultural-and-moral-relativism-part-ii/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:51:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Marylou Bunyard http://neoneocon.com/2008/01/10/cultural-and-moral-relativism-part-ii/#comment-244548 Marylou Bunyard Sat, 07 May 2011 06:40:53 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/01/10/cultural-and-moral-relativism-part-ii/#comment-244548 Sorry for this noob question. Can you tell me what this site template is? I really like it. Or is it custom one, perhaps? I believe it will be a good option for Google ads too. I’d like it if you can tell me about this. Thanks. Sorry for this noob question. Can you tell me what this site template is? I really like it. Or is it custom one, perhaps? I believe it will be a good option for Google ads too. I’d like it if you can tell me about this. Thanks.

]]> By: Moral Relativism - Part 3 « Community of the Risen http://neoneocon.com/2008/01/10/cultural-and-moral-relativism-part-ii/#comment-60608 Moral Relativism - Part 3 « Community of the Risen Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:58:04 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/01/10/cultural-and-moral-relativism-part-ii/#comment-60608 [...] study, we looked at the fact that every moral system really is morally relative based on culture. Neo-Neocon has helped define moral relativism as “the idea that there is no absolute good and evil, but [...] [...] study, we looked at the fact that every moral system really is morally relative based on culture. Neo-Neocon has helped define moral relativism as “the idea that there is no absolute good and evil, but [...]

]]> By: Scannig the ’sphere of a Tuesday Morning | The Anchoress http://neoneocon.com/2008/01/10/cultural-and-moral-relativism-part-ii/#comment-53229 Scannig the ’sphere of a Tuesday Morning | The Anchoress Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:15:40 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/01/10/cultural-and-moral-relativism-part-ii/#comment-53229 [...] to consider cultural and moral relativism, doesn’t it? Neo-neocon thinks about it here and here, in pieces that strike me as excellent conversation pieces for the workroom lunch area. Or, maybe [...] [...] to consider cultural and moral relativism, doesn’t it? Neo-neocon thinks about it here and here, in pieces that strike me as excellent conversation pieces for the workroom lunch area. Or, maybe [...]

]]> By: DonS http://neoneocon.com/2008/01/10/cultural-and-moral-relativism-part-ii/#comment-53150 DonS Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:29:04 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/01/10/cultural-and-moral-relativism-part-ii/#comment-53150 <i>When I wrote about “culling” I was responding to Tatterdemalian, who said “reality has a way of culling those with certain sets of morals”, seeming to imply that cultures with evil morals get culled. I then pointed out that cultures which value ethnic genocide seem pretty resilient, or at least frequently reappear.</i> The "culling" has favored good over evil for quite a while now. The superior moral values of freedom and liberty defeated Napoleon, Imperial Germany, Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, and the Soviet Union, just to hit the high points. When I wrote about “culling” I was responding to Tatterdemalian, who said “reality has a way of culling those with certain sets of morals”, seeming to imply that cultures with evil morals get culled. I then pointed out that cultures which value ethnic genocide seem pretty resilient, or at least frequently reappear.

The “culling” has favored good over evil for quite a while now. The superior moral values of freedom and liberty defeated Napoleon, Imperial Germany, Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, and the Soviet Union, just to hit the high points.

]]> By: Richard Aubrey http://neoneocon.com/2008/01/10/cultural-and-moral-relativism-part-ii/#comment-53126 Richard Aubrey Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:42:46 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/01/10/cultural-and-moral-relativism-part-ii/#comment-53126 True multiculturalists would put their money in a Nigerian bank. Or insist that all new hires for the LAPD come from the Mexico City police academy. If they don't, they're theme-park multiculturalists, restaurant multiculturalists. And, of course, none of them do. The same is true of cultural relativists and moral relativists. What is good for other people is not going to be inflicted on the 'ists of any sort. Their pose is solely a matter of preening faux superiority. But, fit hits shan, reality will be their best buddy, including whatever sharp, hard-edged, previously condemned aspects of their own culture which are necessary for their own protection. True multiculturalists would put their money in a Nigerian bank.
Or insist that all new hires for the LAPD come from the Mexico City police academy.
If they don’t, they’re theme-park multiculturalists, restaurant multiculturalists.
And, of course, none of them do.
The same is true of cultural relativists and moral relativists.
What is good for other people is not going to be inflicted on the ‘ists of any sort.
Their pose is solely a matter of preening faux superiority.
But, fit hits shan, reality will be their best buddy, including whatever sharp, hard-edged, previously condemned aspects of their own culture which are necessary for their own protection.

]]> By: harry9000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/01/10/cultural-and-moral-relativism-part-ii/#comment-53031 harry9000 Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:47:31 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/01/10/cultural-and-moral-relativism-part-ii/#comment-53031 Jack Black: <i>"Bravo! Puts paid to the American conservative myth that superior moral intent gives license to immoral behavior."</i> In other words, waterboarding a detainee for what ever reason we may deem necessary is still as wrong as for what ever reason anyone else applies torture. I dont know that wouldnt make pacifism the only way anyone could "fight" violent oppression regardless of whether or not this results in your death or enslavement, because in order to be morally perfect, death or enslavement would be the only outcome. Jack, If someone is standing on your foot, most people will express surprise, apologize sheepishly, and step off your foot. You dont have to explain anything to them about why they should do so. Then maybe there might be those one or two guys that are standing on your foot on purpose. Those are them guys who understand full well that you dont like the idea of having anyone stand on your foot. Those people you are most likely going to have to use force in order to remove them from your foot. It doesn't make you as bad as they are because you had to do it. Jack Black:
“Bravo! Puts paid to the American conservative myth that superior moral intent gives license to immoral behavior.”

In other words, waterboarding a detainee for what ever reason we may deem necessary is still as wrong as for what ever reason anyone else applies torture.

I dont know that wouldnt make pacifism the only way anyone could “fight” violent oppression regardless of whether or not this results in your death or enslavement, because in order to be morally perfect, death or enslavement would be the only outcome.

Jack,

If someone is standing on your foot, most people will express surprise, apologize sheepishly, and step off your foot. You dont have to explain anything to them about why they should do so. Then maybe there might be those one or two guys that are standing on your foot on purpose. Those are them guys who understand full well that you dont like the idea of having anyone stand on your foot. Those people you are most likely going to have to use force in order to remove them from your foot. It doesn’t make you as bad as they are because you had to do it.

]]> By: Sally http://neoneocon.com/2008/01/10/cultural-and-moral-relativism-part-ii/#comment-53029 Sally Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:24:09 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/01/10/cultural-and-moral-relativism-part-ii/#comment-53029 JB: <i>Bravo! Puts paid to the American conservative myth that superior moral intent gives license to immoral behavior.</i> Close, but no cigar -- that's actually an American <i>liberal</i> myth you're talking about. You know, as in the racism, sexism, etc. inherent in such things as "affirmative action"? JB: Bravo! Puts paid to the American conservative myth that superior moral intent gives license to immoral behavior.

Close, but no cigar — that’s actually an American liberal myth you’re talking about. You know, as in the racism, sexism, etc. inherent in such things as “affirmative action”?

]]> By: Jack Black http://neoneocon.com/2008/01/10/cultural-and-moral-relativism-part-ii/#comment-53026 Jack Black Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:48:17 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/01/10/cultural-and-moral-relativism-part-ii/#comment-53026 The other external support for morality is a feature of rationality itself: that it cannot depend on the egocentric vantage point of the reasoner. If I appeal to you to do anything that affects me — to get off my foot, or tell me the time or not run me over with your car — then I can’t do it in a way that privileges my interests over yours (say, retaining my right to run you over with my car) if I want you to take me seriously. Unless I am Galactic Overlord, I have to state my case in a way that would force me to treat you in kind. I can’t act as if my interests are special just because I’m me and you’re not, any more than I can persuade you that the spot I am standing on is a special place in the universe just because I happen to be standing on it. Bravo! Puts paid to the American conservative myth that superior moral intent gives license to immoral behavior. The other external support for morality is a feature of rationality itself: that it cannot depend on the egocentric vantage point of the reasoner. If I appeal to you to do anything that affects me — to get off my foot, or tell me the time or not run me over with your car — then I can’t do it in a way that privileges my interests over yours (say, retaining my right to run you over with my car) if I want you to take me seriously. Unless I am Galactic Overlord, I have to state my case in a way that would force me to treat you in kind. I can’t act as if my interests are special just because I’m me and you’re not, any more than I can persuade you that the spot I am standing on is a special place in the universe just because I happen to be standing on it.

Bravo! Puts paid to the American conservative myth that superior moral intent gives license to immoral behavior.

]]> By: The Sword of Grace | The Doctor Is In http://neoneocon.com/2008/01/10/cultural-and-moral-relativism-part-ii/#comment-52981 The Sword of Grace | The Doctor Is In Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:31:51 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/01/10/cultural-and-moral-relativism-part-ii/#comment-52981 [...] there arose at least a glimpse of the uniqueness of the Christian faith. Christianity is not merely another framework of moral codes by which to live. It is not comprised solely of the teachings of a charismatic leader, urging [...] [...] there arose at least a glimpse of the uniqueness of the Christian faith. Christianity is not merely another framework of moral codes by which to live. It is not comprised solely of the teachings of a charismatic leader, urging [...]

]]> By: harry9000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/01/10/cultural-and-moral-relativism-part-ii/#comment-52967 harry9000 Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:09:51 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/01/10/cultural-and-moral-relativism-part-ii/#comment-52967 So much for the discussion about moral reletivity I take it. So much for the discussion about moral reletivity I take it.

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