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		<title>By: Über überall &#171; USA Erklärt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Über überall &#171; USA Erklärt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] aus einer vergangenen Version der Nationalhymne ist auch Amerikanern geläufig. In dem Blog Neo-Neocon gab es vor einer Woche den Eintrag Conservatives jump the shark: party purity über alles (die [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lem</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/02/conservatives-jump-the-shark-party-purity-uber-alles/#comment-56288</link>
		<dc:creator>Lem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m one of those considering becoming a &#039;suicide voter&#039; by voting for Hillary. 

But your arguments against it are very good. 

After 911 we could have started pointing fingers at each other present/past administrations but instead we properly laid blame at the doorstep of the men that attacked us. 

&quot;Our aim has not been to assign individual blame. Our aim has been to provide the fullest possible account of the events surrounding 9/11 and to identify lessons learned.&quot; – 9/11 Report. 

The idea of teaching the country how to vote by voting for a known undesirable is no more sensible than a shotgun wedding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one of those considering becoming a &#8216;suicide voter&#8217; by voting for Hillary. </p>
<p>But your arguments against it are very good. </p>
<p>After 911 we could have started pointing fingers at each other present/past administrations but instead we properly laid blame at the doorstep of the men that attacked us. </p>
<p>&#8220;Our aim has not been to assign individual blame. Our aim has been to provide the fullest possible account of the events surrounding 9/11 and to identify lessons learned.&#8221; – 9/11 Report. </p>
<p>The idea of teaching the country how to vote by voting for a known undesirable is no more sensible than a shotgun wedding.</p>
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		<title>By: Serket</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/02/conservatives-jump-the-shark-party-purity-uber-alles/#comment-55982</link>
		<dc:creator>Serket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed the post.  I agree that Ann is an idiot for her comment.  I also agree about the 1/3rd rule.  I was thinking the same thing: grow up guys, the party is more diverse than you want it to be.  Also I know the McCain-haters don&#039;t care about this, but his lifetime acu score is 83%.  I was glad you posted some comments showing that Reagan was not perfect.

Here is what I am going to post at Dr. Helen&#039;s blog:

I will probably vote for Huckabee, because I would like to see him come in 2nd on delegates.  McCain is probably the only Republican who can win and I will vote for him in a general election.  I realize both of them have strayed away from conservative principles on a few issues.  However, I get really upset at the talking heads who spend all day blasting McCain and praising Romney and nobody wants to talk about Romney&#039;s record.  

If he says he is a conservative, by golly you better just shut up and vote for him.  He is perceived as being great for the economy, but job growth was near the bottom for his state and he raised taxes and pushed universal healthcare.  When he ran for the senate in 1994, he claimed he was more liberal than Kennedy.  He was definitely not a conservative while he was governor.  In my opinion he governed as a socialist and a liberal.  It also seems he is not very honest about his life and record, but perhaps they are all like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed the post.  I agree that Ann is an idiot for her comment.  I also agree about the 1/3rd rule.  I was thinking the same thing: grow up guys, the party is more diverse than you want it to be.  Also I know the McCain-haters don&#8217;t care about this, but his lifetime acu score is 83%.  I was glad you posted some comments showing that Reagan was not perfect.</p>
<p>Here is what I am going to post at Dr. Helen&#8217;s blog:</p>
<p>I will probably vote for Huckabee, because I would like to see him come in 2nd on delegates.  McCain is probably the only Republican who can win and I will vote for him in a general election.  I realize both of them have strayed away from conservative principles on a few issues.  However, I get really upset at the talking heads who spend all day blasting McCain and praising Romney and nobody wants to talk about Romney&#8217;s record.  </p>
<p>If he says he is a conservative, by golly you better just shut up and vote for him.  He is perceived as being great for the economy, but job growth was near the bottom for his state and he raised taxes and pushed universal healthcare.  When he ran for the senate in 1994, he claimed he was more liberal than Kennedy.  He was definitely not a conservative while he was governor.  In my opinion he governed as a socialist and a liberal.  It also seems he is not very honest about his life and record, but perhaps they are all like that.</p>
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		<title>By: DonS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DonS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Reagan did includes the defeat of the USSR. That&#039;s good that far outweighs the bad Jimmy Carter did.

And, with respect to Iran, Reagan also dropped the ball, by running after the Iranian sponsered bombing of the Marines in Beruit. This, of course, isn&#039;t as bad as Jimmy standing by while Iran became fundamentalist, and it also has to be viewed from the perspective that Islamic terrorists were small fish in the Reagan years: Reagan&#039;s focus was on the evil of the USSR. 

As far as McCain goes, his support for the surge, etc., is a big plus. His support for McCain Feingold and for closing the &quot;gun show loophole&quot;, etc., are negatives. At this point, however, the war is the big issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Reagan did includes the defeat of the USSR. That&#8217;s good that far outweighs the bad Jimmy Carter did.</p>
<p>And, with respect to Iran, Reagan also dropped the ball, by running after the Iranian sponsered bombing of the Marines in Beruit. This, of course, isn&#8217;t as bad as Jimmy standing by while Iran became fundamentalist, and it also has to be viewed from the perspective that Islamic terrorists were small fish in the Reagan years: Reagan&#8217;s focus was on the evil of the USSR. </p>
<p>As far as McCain goes, his support for the surge, etc., is a big plus. His support for McCain Feingold and for closing the &#8220;gun show loophole&#8221;, etc., are negatives. At this point, however, the war is the big issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see a lot of this as a result of &quot;Messiah Politics&quot;, i.e. Ron Paul/Mike Huckabee/Duncan Hunter/Ross Perot as Your Personal LORD And Savior.

And a reaction, when their Christ figure of a candidate doesn&#039;t make it, of a toddler taking his toy and going home to pout pout pout pout pout pout and pout.  (After smashing everybody else&#039;s stuff -- SO THERE!)

Why did I ever bother to &quot;grow up&quot; and be responsible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a lot of this as a result of &#8220;Messiah Politics&#8221;, i.e. Ron Paul/Mike Huckabee/Duncan Hunter/Ross Perot as Your Personal LORD And Savior.</p>
<p>And a reaction, when their Christ figure of a candidate doesn&#8217;t make it, of a toddler taking his toy and going home to pout pout pout pout pout pout and pout.  (After smashing everybody else&#8217;s stuff &#8212; SO THERE!)</p>
<p>Why did I ever bother to &#8220;grow up&#8221; and be responsible?</p>
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		<title>By: grackle</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/02/conservatives-jump-the-shark-party-purity-uber-alles/#comment-55946</link>
		<dc:creator>grackle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And Limbaugh has been completely up-front about this - he is a conservative first, republican last. How is this fraudulent? Or are you just being disingenuous? &lt;/i&gt;

Limbaugh identifies himself as a Republican yet urges Republicans to either not vote at all or vote for the Democratic nominee. That is fraudulent no matter how “up-front” he is about his calumny. 

&lt;i&gt;The whole “party members” thing is a straw-man. Both Coulter and Limbaugh are unabashed conservatives - that doesn’t make them automatic republicans. &lt;/i&gt; 

Really? Well now, just what political party do you think Coulter and Limbaugh belong to? Provide a link to any statement either has ever made where they describe themselves as a member of any other political party other than the Republican Party.   

&lt;i&gt;Gee, you’d think that we were expected to do what the moderates want …&lt;/i&gt; 

Whether you be moderate or conservative, if you are a member of the Republican Party I expect you to abide by the decisions of the membership or get out, instead of urging folks to not vote or to vote for the Democratic Party candidate. My friend when ANYONE urges you to not vote they are defiling the sacrifice of millions who died to ensure you that right.   

&lt;i&gt;But if those who can’t stomach voting McCain stay home, it won’t be because Limbaugh and Coulter told them so …&lt;/i&gt;

You are entitled to your opinion but I happen to believe that both are very influential and that many well-meaning but gullible fans of theirs may stay home on voting day or even vote for the opposition candidate because of what these infantile nincompoops are spewing. As we have seen in past elections victory can be decided by razor-thin margins. 

On the subject of moderates, how do you think moderate Republicans have felt when ultra-conservatives have ascended to party leadership roles? Have they whined like a bunch of babies? Have they urged fellow party members to not vote?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And Limbaugh has been completely up-front about this &#8211; he is a conservative first, republican last. How is this fraudulent? Or are you just being disingenuous? </i></p>
<p>Limbaugh identifies himself as a Republican yet urges Republicans to either not vote at all or vote for the Democratic nominee. That is fraudulent no matter how “up-front” he is about his calumny. </p>
<p><i>The whole “party members” thing is a straw-man. Both Coulter and Limbaugh are unabashed conservatives &#8211; that doesn’t make them automatic republicans. </i> </p>
<p>Really? Well now, just what political party do you think Coulter and Limbaugh belong to? Provide a link to any statement either has ever made where they describe themselves as a member of any other political party other than the Republican Party.   </p>
<p><i>Gee, you’d think that we were expected to do what the moderates want …</i> </p>
<p>Whether you be moderate or conservative, if you are a member of the Republican Party I expect you to abide by the decisions of the membership or get out, instead of urging folks to not vote or to vote for the Democratic Party candidate. My friend when ANYONE urges you to not vote they are defiling the sacrifice of millions who died to ensure you that right.   </p>
<p><i>But if those who can’t stomach voting McCain stay home, it won’t be because Limbaugh and Coulter told them so …</i></p>
<p>You are entitled to your opinion but I happen to believe that both are very influential and that many well-meaning but gullible fans of theirs may stay home on voting day or even vote for the opposition candidate because of what these infantile nincompoops are spewing. As we have seen in past elections victory can be decided by razor-thin margins. </p>
<p>On the subject of moderates, how do you think moderate Republicans have felt when ultra-conservatives have ascended to party leadership roles? Have they whined like a bunch of babies? Have they urged fellow party members to not vote?</p>
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		<title>By: Doom</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/02/conservatives-jump-the-shark-party-purity-uber-alles/#comment-55902</link>
		<dc:creator>Doom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this just a pundit post?  I have noted some oddities here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this just a pundit post?  I have noted some oddities here.</p>
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		<title>By: Irving Greenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irving Greenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last candidate I voted for that was not a Republican was Lyndon Johnson and I have voted in every election since then.  I am a contemporary of McCain and a retired military pilot who served in Vietnam.  I will not under ANY circumstances vote for McCain because I believe he is too unstable to be president and would, in the long run, be more dangerous for the country than either of the Democrats, for whom I also will not vote because they would be almost as bad.  For me, in this election, it&#039;s Romney or nobody.  I have never ever stayed home on election day and even voted absentee from Vietnam, but my conscience might require it on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last candidate I voted for that was not a Republican was Lyndon Johnson and I have voted in every election since then.  I am a contemporary of McCain and a retired military pilot who served in Vietnam.  I will not under ANY circumstances vote for McCain because I believe he is too unstable to be president and would, in the long run, be more dangerous for the country than either of the Democrats, for whom I also will not vote because they would be almost as bad.  For me, in this election, it&#8217;s Romney or nobody.  I have never ever stayed home on election day and even voted absentee from Vietnam, but my conscience might require it on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Inspector Callahan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inspector Callahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It reveals to me that they are frauds to the extent that they try to pass themselves off as Republicans while urging Republicans to vote for Democrats. Conservatives they may be but Republicans they are NOT.&lt;/i&gt;

And Limbaugh has been completely up-front about this - he is a conservative first, republican last.  How is this fraudulent?  Or are you just being disingenuous?

&lt;i&gt;But if party members chose certain principles(or candidates) over others and that enrages you, then start your own party instead of urging folks to vote for the opposite party. If your principles can stand the test of voter scrutiny then no doubt your new party will fare well.

See point 1.  The whole &quot;party members&quot; thing is a straw-man.  Both Coulter and Limbaugh are unabashed conservatives - that doesn&#039;t make them automatic republicans.  Gee, you&#039;d think that we were expected to do what the moderates want, and just be thankful we have the repub party.  Now I know how African-Americans feel in the Democratic party - used , abused, and taken for granted.

I probably will vote for McCain if he&#039;s the nominee, but I won&#039;t like it.  And I will probably regret it later.  I certainly wouldn&#039;t vote for him if we weren&#039;t at war.    But if those who can&#039;t stomach voting McCain stay home, it won&#039;t be because Limbaugh and Coulter told them so - it&#039;ll be because they&#039;ve taken a principled stand.  And good for them.

TV (Harry)&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It reveals to me that they are frauds to the extent that they try to pass themselves off as Republicans while urging Republicans to vote for Democrats. Conservatives they may be but Republicans they are NOT.</i></p>
<p>And Limbaugh has been completely up-front about this &#8211; he is a conservative first, republican last.  How is this fraudulent?  Or are you just being disingenuous?</p>
<p><i>But if party members chose certain principles(or candidates) over others and that enrages you, then start your own party instead of urging folks to vote for the opposite party. If your principles can stand the test of voter scrutiny then no doubt your new party will fare well.</p>
<p>See point 1.  The whole &#8220;party members&#8221; thing is a straw-man.  Both Coulter and Limbaugh are unabashed conservatives &#8211; that doesn&#8217;t make them automatic republicans.  Gee, you&#8217;d think that we were expected to do what the moderates want, and just be thankful we have the repub party.  Now I know how African-Americans feel in the Democratic party &#8211; used , abused, and taken for granted.</p>
<p>I probably will vote for McCain if he&#8217;s the nominee, but I won&#8217;t like it.  And I will probably regret it later.  I certainly wouldn&#8217;t vote for him if we weren&#8217;t at war.    But if those who can&#8217;t stomach voting McCain stay home, it won&#8217;t be because Limbaugh and Coulter told them so &#8211; it&#8217;ll be because they&#8217;ve taken a principled stand.  And good for them.</p>
<p>TV (Harry)</i></p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow... what a miss. 

&quot;Party purity&quot;... what bull crap. What you are seeing is people rejecting a party that insists on pushing somebody down there throat. I vote for the man, not the party. 

You see, the Republican Party wants their &quot;blacks&quot;. You know, the demographic who votes Democrat even though the Democrats do nothing for them. They don&#039;t have to do anything for them, they own them.

Republicans Party Leadership thinks conservatives are &quot;theirs&quot;. &quot;We don&#039;t have to serve them, we own them... who else they gonna vote for, Hillary?&quot;

Sorry we disappoint you by applying independent thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230; what a miss. </p>
<p>&#8220;Party purity&#8221;&#8230; what bull crap. What you are seeing is people rejecting a party that insists on pushing somebody down there throat. I vote for the man, not the party. </p>
<p>You see, the Republican Party wants their &#8220;blacks&#8221;. You know, the demographic who votes Democrat even though the Democrats do nothing for them. They don&#8217;t have to do anything for them, they own them.</p>
<p>Republicans Party Leadership thinks conservatives are &#8220;theirs&#8221;. &#8220;We don&#8217;t have to serve them, we own them&#8230; who else they gonna vote for, Hillary?&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry we disappoint you by applying independent thought.</p>
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