Comments on: More McCain: to the Right on many things, and right on the surge http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/04/more-mccain-to-the-right-on-many-things-and-right-on-the-surge/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:26:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Josiah Russell http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/04/more-mccain-to-the-right-on-many-things-and-right-on-the-surge/#comment-190290 Josiah Russell Wed, 06 Oct 2010 09:03:19 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/04/more-mccain-to-the-right-on-many-things-and-right-on-the-surge/#comment-190290 sometimes spongebob is stingy and annoying.., sometimes spongebob is stingy and annoying..,

]]> By: Vince P http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/04/more-mccain-to-the-right-on-many-things-and-right-on-the-surge/#comment-58534 Vince P Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:35:53 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/04/more-mccain-to-the-right-on-many-things-and-right-on-the-surge/#comment-58534 Yeah let me vote for Ron paul!!! Being called an "idiot" by a Ron Paul supporter has totally opened my eyes to the suitable of the Ron Paul movement to lead this country!!!! LETS CALL EVERYONE NAMES AND SAVE THE COUNTRY RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL oh I forgot.. DOCTOR RON PAUL DOCTOR RON PAUL DOCTOR RON PAUL DOCTOR RON PAUL DOCTOR RON PAUL DOCTOR RON PAUL DOCTOR RON PAUL DOCTOR RON PAUL DOCTOR RON PAUL DOCTOR RON PAUL DOCTOR RON PAUL Yeah let me vote for Ron paul!!!

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]]> By: Ty http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/04/more-mccain-to-the-right-on-many-things-and-right-on-the-surge/#comment-58530 Ty Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:05:42 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/04/more-mccain-to-the-right-on-many-things-and-right-on-the-surge/#comment-58530 Bullshit walks, McCain talks a lot of it. Let's send more troops to Iraq for another hundred years for nothing. There is no war on terrorism. And you're and idiot if you believe it. Nick Rockefeller admitted to it being a fraud. And it certainly couldn't be stopped, it's like this fiat war on drug b/s that has been going on for the past 40 years, absolutely no progress. The economy is going down hill fast, due the federal reserve, McCain isn't going to do anything about that, he doesn't care about the American people otherwise he'd be another "lonely" like Ron Paul. The only real Republican, the only one who truly believes in our rights. You are all idiots to vote for anyone other than Ron Paul. You just prove your ignorance of understanding the true structure of the United States, you all have forgotten your place as an American. The land of the free! "People should not fear their gov't, gov't should fear the people". I am highly doubtful that any of you have done the slightest bit of "research" (not watching the news, doesn't count, you are just rotting your brain out) on any of these candidates. A real American Patriot would for Ron Paul, for he is a man of integrity, honor, and stands behind the Constitution of the United States. You're all idiots to believe any other candidate but Ron Paul is going to make a difference. They all work for the puppet master. And so do you. Ron Paul 2008!! WAKE UP AMERICA!!! There are real issues to be addressed. I sure as hell want someone running the country who knows what the hell he's talking about. Bullshit walks, McCain talks a lot of it. Let’s send more troops to Iraq for another hundred years for nothing. There is no war on terrorism. And you’re and idiot if you believe it. Nick Rockefeller admitted to it being a fraud. And it certainly couldn’t be stopped, it’s like this fiat war on drug b/s that has been going on for the past 40 years, absolutely no progress. The economy is going down hill fast, due the federal reserve, McCain isn’t going to do anything about that, he doesn’t care about the American people otherwise he’d be another “lonely” like Ron Paul. The only real Republican, the only one who truly believes in our rights. You are all idiots to vote for anyone other than Ron Paul. You just prove your ignorance of understanding the true structure of the United States, you all have forgotten your place as an American. The land of the free! “People should not fear their gov’t, gov’t should fear the people”. I am highly doubtful that any of you have done the slightest bit of “research” (not watching the news, doesn’t count, you are just rotting your brain out) on any of these candidates. A real American Patriot would for Ron Paul, for he is a man of integrity, honor, and stands behind the Constitution of the United States. You’re all idiots to believe any other candidate but Ron Paul is going to make a difference. They all work for the puppet master. And so do you.

Ron Paul 2008!! WAKE UP AMERICA!!! There are real issues to be addressed. I sure as hell want someone running the country who knows what the hell he’s talking about.

]]> By: Winning versus Purity | Better Living Thru Blogging! http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/04/more-mccain-to-the-right-on-many-things-and-right-on-the-surge/#comment-56295 Winning versus Purity | Better Living Thru Blogging! Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:06:18 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/04/more-mccain-to-the-right-on-many-things-and-right-on-the-surge/#comment-56295 [...] vote for the Democrat nominee nor sit at home on election day. Whatever flaws McCain has, he also has many strengths, and is the only remaining viable candidate to challenge the Dems at this point. I won’t even [...] [...] vote for the Democrat nominee nor sit at home on election day. Whatever flaws McCain has, he also has many strengths, and is the only remaining viable candidate to challenge the Dems at this point. I won’t even [...]

]]> By: douglas http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/04/more-mccain-to-the-right-on-many-things-and-right-on-the-surge/#comment-56071 douglas Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:28:48 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/04/more-mccain-to-the-right-on-many-things-and-right-on-the-surge/#comment-56071 Well, this is a little late, but here goes. Neo, as for McCain and his insight into the 'Clear and hold' surge strategy, you almost had me there. Then I realized that- Even while the idea was being promoted (McCain was not the only one), it had to be sold through the Pentagon and preparations made. The military is rather slow moving when it comes to major strategic shifts. You then gave us this quote from McCain's Nov 05 essay: <i>"General Petraeus, a fine officer who was the military’s foremost expert in the training of Iraqi security forces, now uses his hard earned experience and expertise at Fort Leavenworth."</i> Basically proof that he was using this as a bludgeon against Bush. Petraeus was out of Iraq and in Fort Leavenworth to write the COIN manual that our commanders in the field now reference. McCain surely knew this, so it was an opportunistic whack at Bush, nothing more Then of course, there is the idea that you've discussed in the past that, without the horror of letting the Iraqis see what supporting AQ was like, they night not have been ready to support us in the awakening. McCain might actually have tried to use the tactics too early for them to actually be productive. We might have suffered greater losses (which is typical of increased offensive activities), and that might have given the Dems the leverage they needed to force us out. As for <i>"“Even with all the blemishes,” notes National Review, a leading journal on the right (and a backer of Romney), “McCain has a more consistent conservative record than Giuliani or Romney. . . . This is an abiding strength of his candidacy.”"</i> Now, I'm not one of these people who paints McCain as a 'leftist', but what troubles me about him vs. Romney or Giuliani is his trajectory. He is going from solid right to unpredictable maverick centrist. Romney and Giuliani have either been predictably consistant or moved consistently right. I think I've said it before, but it begs repeating- My concern with McCain isn't what I know he'll do, it's that I have no idea what he'll actually do. I guess it's time to close my eyes and roll the dice. Well, this is a little late, but here goes.
Neo, as for McCain and his insight into the ‘Clear and hold’ surge strategy, you almost had me there. Then I realized that-
Even while the idea was being promoted (McCain was not the only one), it had to be sold through the Pentagon and preparations made. The military is rather slow moving when it comes to major strategic shifts.
You then gave us this quote from McCain’s Nov 05 essay:
“General Petraeus, a fine officer who was the military’s foremost expert in the training of Iraqi security forces, now uses his hard earned experience and expertise at Fort Leavenworth.”
Basically proof that he was using this as a bludgeon against Bush. Petraeus was out of Iraq and in Fort Leavenworth to write the COIN manual that our commanders in the field now reference. McCain surely knew this, so it was an opportunistic whack at Bush, nothing more

Then of course, there is the idea that you’ve discussed in the past that, without the horror of letting the Iraqis see what supporting AQ was like, they night not have been ready to support us in the awakening. McCain might actually have tried to use the tactics too early for them to actually be productive. We might have suffered greater losses (which is typical of increased offensive activities), and that might have given the Dems the leverage they needed to force us out.

As for ““Even with all the blemishes,” notes National Review, a leading journal on the right (and a backer of Romney), “McCain has a more consistent conservative record than Giuliani or Romney. . . . This is an abiding strength of his candidacy.””
Now, I’m not one of these people who paints McCain as a ‘leftist’, but what troubles me about him vs. Romney or Giuliani is his trajectory. He is going from solid right to unpredictable maverick centrist. Romney and Giuliani have either been predictably consistant or moved consistently right.

I think I’ve said it before, but it begs repeating- My concern with McCain isn’t what I know he’ll do, it’s that I have no idea what he’ll actually do.

I guess it’s time to close my eyes and roll the dice.

]]> By: Gray http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/04/more-mccain-to-the-right-on-many-things-and-right-on-the-surge/#comment-56045 Gray Wed, 06 Feb 2008 04:24:37 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/04/more-mccain-to-the-right-on-many-things-and-right-on-the-surge/#comment-56045 <i>SoccerDad’s link is a good one.</i> I read it, for what it's worth.... Speculating on what McCainiac might do based on what he said is a non-starter. Not even McCain knows what he might do in a given situation, or even twice in the same situation. I didn't even vote in the NM primary. I'm voting against Obama al Hussein and Billary in the general. SoccerDad’s link is a good one.

I read it, for what it’s worth….

Speculating on what McCainiac might do based on what he said is a non-starter.

Not even McCain knows what he might do in a given situation, or even twice in the same situation.

I didn’t even vote in the NM primary. I’m voting against Obama al Hussein and Billary in the general.

]]> By: Tap http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/04/more-mccain-to-the-right-on-many-things-and-right-on-the-surge/#comment-55993 Tap Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:28:38 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/04/more-mccain-to-the-right-on-many-things-and-right-on-the-surge/#comment-55993 "McCain sucks, he has always sucked, he has never not sucked and his defenders can only defend him by denigrating other Republicans." Many do, and they clearly feel quite proud of themselves while doing so. It's a very...leftist kinda thing to do..which only reinforces what many say about McCain and his supporters. As for the screaming about idiots who won't vote for him...mixed with shouts to just go away, the R -party doesn't need you..that combination tells you all you need to know. Good luck in the general election. (Of course, everybody isn't engaging in this sophomoric rhetoric. Some, like Neo are playing it straight, trying to convince with facts.) SoccerDad's link is a good one. “McCain sucks, he has always sucked, he has never not sucked and his defenders can only defend him by denigrating other Republicans.”

Many do, and they clearly feel quite proud of themselves while doing so. It’s a very…leftist kinda thing to do..which only reinforces what many say about McCain and his supporters.

As for the screaming about idiots who won’t vote for him…mixed with shouts to just go away, the R -party doesn’t need you..that combination tells you all you need to know. Good luck in the general election.

(Of course, everybody isn’t engaging in this sophomoric rhetoric. Some, like Neo are playing it straight, trying to convince with facts.)

SoccerDad’s link is a good one.

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/04/more-mccain-to-the-right-on-many-things-and-right-on-the-surge/#comment-55989 Ymarsakar Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:06:17 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/04/more-mccain-to-the-right-on-many-things-and-right-on-the-surge/#comment-55989 Michael is just making the point, as I have made, that if you want influence in politics, you need to "buy into" it. In this case, that means voting for McCain if he is the nominee. Whether he supports McCain or not, isn't really relevant. Although it might be. Michael is just making the point, as I have made, that if you want influence in politics, you need to “buy into” it. In this case, that means voting for McCain if he is the nominee. Whether he supports McCain or not, isn’t really relevant. Although it might be.

]]> By: Gray http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/04/more-mccain-to-the-right-on-many-things-and-right-on-the-surge/#comment-55981 Gray Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:44:44 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/04/more-mccain-to-the-right-on-many-things-and-right-on-the-surge/#comment-55981 <i>The center can govern without the right-wing if that’s what you want, and is prepared to do so. Your move.</i> So it doesn't really matter whether we vote for McCain or not. Since when did mainstream republicans become 'right-wing' 'cuz they reject a blowhard populist whose only revolt was <i>against</i> the mainstream republicans? There is some weird realignment going on here, and nobody has expressed it yet. Or maybe it's just another chance to throw the silly Christers under the bus so that the sophisticates will like us..... So how did you like McCainiac pulling out the 'Chickenhawk' card on Romney? As a currently serving member of the National Guard I find that offensive--I was resigned to voting for McQueeq in the general election, but I'm starting to squirm. McCain sucks, he has always sucked, he has never not sucked and his defenders can only defend him by denigrating other Republicans. The center can govern without the right-wing if that’s what you want, and is prepared to do so. Your move.

So it doesn’t really matter whether we vote for McCain or not.

Since when did mainstream republicans become ‘right-wing’ ‘cuz they reject a blowhard populist whose only revolt was against the mainstream republicans?

There is some weird realignment going on here, and nobody has expressed it yet.

Or maybe it’s just another chance to throw the silly Christers under the bus so that the sophisticates will like us…..

So how did you like McCainiac pulling out the ‘Chickenhawk’ card on Romney?

As a currently serving member of the National Guard I find that offensive–I was resigned to voting for McQueeq in the general election, but I’m starting to squirm.

McCain sucks, he has always sucked, he has never not sucked and his defenders can only defend him by denigrating other Republicans.

]]> By: armchair pessimist http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/04/more-mccain-to-the-right-on-many-things-and-right-on-the-surge/#comment-55979 armchair pessimist Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:32:36 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/04/more-mccain-to-the-right-on-many-things-and-right-on-the-surge/#comment-55979 We've been looking for this super hero to take care of the country while we go about our affairs, but it doesn't work that way, not this time. We have to be on the politicians' tails constantly, Hillary, Obama, McCain, Romney, whoever, watching their every move. A disasterous government, which I am resigned to, will make us better Citizens. So maybe some good from come out of all this. We’ve been looking for this super hero to take care of the country while we go about our affairs, but it doesn’t work that way, not this time. We have to be on the politicians’ tails constantly, Hillary, Obama, McCain, Romney, whoever, watching their every move.

A disasterous government, which I am resigned to, will make us better Citizens. So maybe some good from come out of all this.

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