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	<title>Comments on: Ten most famous Americans: the changing American educational scene</title>
	<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/</link>
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		<title>By: Occam's Beard</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56935</link>
		<author>Occam's Beard</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56935</guid>
					<description>I suppose we should be grateful that Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, and Lindsay Lohan failed to make the top ten. They're probably in the top 20.

Amelia Earhart was apparently an incompetent pilot and so completely hopeless at navigation that she was almost killed several times before her ill-fated flight. (That "chicks and maps" thing again, I guess. /g)

But the shocking aspect is no George Washington, no Abraham Lincoln. &lt;i&gt;O tempora! O mores!&lt;/i&gt;

PS: irony of ironies: the question posed ("&lt;i&gt;Who&lt;/i&gt; would you call the 10 most famous Americans?") is itself agrammatical. Become a journalist, learn to write good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose we should be grateful that Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, and Lindsay Lohan failed to make the top ten. They&#8217;re probably in the top 20.</p>
<p>Amelia Earhart was apparently an incompetent pilot and so completely hopeless at navigation that she was almost killed several times before her ill-fated flight. (That &#8220;chicks and maps&#8221; thing again, I guess. /g)</p>
<p>But the shocking aspect is no George Washington, no Abraham Lincoln. <i>O tempora! O mores!</i></p>
<p>PS: irony of ironies: the question posed (&#8221;<i>Who</i> would you call the 10 most famous Americans?&#8221;) is itself agrammatical. Become a journalist, learn to write good!</p>
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		<title>By: Perfected democrat</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56937</link>
		<author>Perfected democrat</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56937</guid>
					<description>Barak Obama
Hillary Clinton
Al Gore
Jimmy Carter
Nancy Pelosi
John Kerry
Chapaquiddick Ted
Michael Moore
Michael Jackson
Just kidding....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barak Obama<br />
Hillary Clinton<br />
Al Gore<br />
Jimmy Carter<br />
Nancy Pelosi<br />
John Kerry<br />
Chapaquiddick Ted<br />
Michael Moore<br />
Michael Jackson<br />
Just kidding&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: neo-neocon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56939</link>
		<author>neo-neocon</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56939</guid>
					<description>You're not following the rules!  I might just give you a zero, but I'm not that mean.

No Presidents allowed!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not following the rules!  I might just give you a zero, but I&#8217;m not that mean.</p>
<p>No Presidents allowed!!</p>
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		<title>By: Occam's Beard</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56940</link>
		<author>Occam's Beard</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56940</guid>
					<description>Sorry, I didn't notice that Presidents were explicitly excluded. My bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I didn&#8217;t notice that Presidents were explicitly excluded. My bad.</p>
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		<title>By: DC</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56943</link>
		<author>DC</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56943</guid>
					<description>In no particular order

Living:

Oprah Winfrey
Roger Clemens
Obama
John McCain
Fred Thompson

Rush Limbaugh
Tom Cruise
Bill Gates
Warren Buffet
Jerry Seinfeld


Dead

Ben Franklin
Davy Crockett
Daniel Boone
A G Bell
Edison

Lindburgh
J D Rockefeller
McArthur
Babe Ruth
Einstein</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In no particular order</p>
<p>Living:</p>
<p>Oprah Winfrey<br />
Roger Clemens<br />
Obama<br />
John McCain<br />
Fred Thompson</p>
<p>Rush Limbaugh<br />
Tom Cruise<br />
Bill Gates<br />
Warren Buffet<br />
Jerry Seinfeld</p>
<p>Dead</p>
<p>Ben Franklin<br />
Davy Crockett<br />
Daniel Boone<br />
A G Bell<br />
Edison</p>
<p>Lindburgh<br />
J D Rockefeller<br />
McArthur<br />
Babe Ruth<br />
Einstein</p>
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		<title>By: Occam's Beard</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56946</link>
		<author>Occam's Beard</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56946</guid>
					<description>neo, does that rule exclude Jimmy Carter? He was an occupant of the White House, but hardly a President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo, does that rule exclude Jimmy Carter? He was an occupant of the White House, but hardly a President.</p>
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		<title>By: Valjean</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56962</link>
		<author>Valjean</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56962</guid>
					<description>Neo,

I made my own list before scrolling down -- and had all your generals. I'd even put Grant in there.

For the others: Alexander Hamilton, to be sure. And Twain or even Whitman before Frost or Disney, imho. Odd that presidents were out-of-bounds, but Washington obviously should be included as a soldier and leader on his own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo,</p>
<p>I made my own list before scrolling down &#8212; and had all your generals. I&#8217;d even put Grant in there.</p>
<p>For the others: Alexander Hamilton, to be sure. And Twain or even Whitman before Frost or Disney, imho. Odd that presidents were out-of-bounds, but Washington obviously should be included as a soldier and leader on his own.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56964</link>
		<author>Gray</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56964</guid>
					<description>That stupid, stupid list is a product of Liberal Indiscriminanation:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Thought/hl1020.cfm

Evan Sayet really nails it here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That stupid, stupid list is a product of Liberal Indiscriminanation:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heritage.org/Research/Thought/hl1020.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.heritage.org/Research/Thought/hl1020.cfm</a></p>
<p>Evan Sayet really nails it here.</p>
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		<title>By: Most Famous Americans &#124; Ocean Guy</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56979</link>
		<author>Most Famous Americans &#124; Ocean Guy</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56979</guid>
					<description>[...] an eye-opening poll of 2000 American High-Schoolers, here are the Top Ten Most Famous Americans as determined by researchers&#8230; No Presidents or [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] an eye-opening poll of 2000 American High-Schoolers, here are the Top Ten Most Famous Americans as determined by researchers&#8230; No Presidents or [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56985</link>
		<author>expat</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56985</guid>
					<description>You didn't say whether this should be national or international fame or whether famous  can also include the infamous. Here goes in no particular order
John Wayne (as metaphor for GWB)
Marilyn Monroe(of Happy Birthday, Mr President fame)
Andy Warhol (of Che and Marilyn fame)
Ernest Hemmingway (for the intellectuals)
Michael Jackson
George Clooney
Angelina Jolie 
Steven Spielburg
Hillary Clinton
Noam Chomsky (just kidding, but you get the drift)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You didn&#8217;t say whether this should be national or international fame or whether famous  can also include the infamous. Here goes in no particular order<br />
John Wayne (as metaphor for GWB)<br />
Marilyn Monroe(of Happy Birthday, Mr President fame)<br />
Andy Warhol (of Che and Marilyn fame)<br />
Ernest Hemmingway (for the intellectuals)<br />
Michael Jackson<br />
George Clooney<br />
Angelina Jolie<br />
Steven Spielburg<br />
Hillary Clinton<br />
Noam Chomsky (just kidding, but you get the drift)</p>
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		<title>By: Grimmy</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56989</link>
		<author>Grimmy</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56989</guid>
					<description>1. General George Washington: Not, primarily, for his leadership during war, but for his integrity to the ideal of a representative republic after the war. 

2. Benjamin Franklin: Without whom, there would never have been help from abroad in our fight for independence. 

3. General Sherman: Without his recognition that sometimes an ugly thing has to be made to its ugliest before it can be made to end. If not for his insistence in taking war directly to the enemy, that war might never have ended.

4. Lieutenant Colonel Earl "Pete" Ellis (USMC): After Gallipoli in WW1, it was determined by the powers that be in europe that forced amphibious landings against defended beaches was best viewed as a suicidal venture. 

If it had not been for the work of Lt. Col. Ellis in 1920, there may well have been no amphibious capability or doctrine developed by the US in time for what had to be done in WW2. Even with that early a start, we didn't have a functional landing craft adopted until 1940.


5. Henry Ford: Weirdo and a strange duck in lots of ways, but did come up with a functional process to kick the industrial age into the next gear.

6. Susan B. Anthony: As representative of the entire suffrage movement. Without which, I'd have had to deal with strong willed and intelligent mother and sisters who would probably have taken their lack of right to be heard in elections out on me.

7. Martin Luther King: The process had been started by others, but he did valiant work and paid for it. He wasn't a saint, but no man is. 

The rest are just personal favs:

8. Robert E. Howard: I really enjoyed his pulp fiction heroic epic stories as a youngin.

9. Mark Twain: Not the Clemens guy, but his reinvented self. 

10. Inventor of milblogs, who ever that was. Without which, we'd have  submitted to the will of our domestic cult of cowardice by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. General George Washington: Not, primarily, for his leadership during war, but for his integrity to the ideal of a representative republic after the war. </p>
<p>2. Benjamin Franklin: Without whom, there would never have been help from abroad in our fight for independence. </p>
<p>3. General Sherman: Without his recognition that sometimes an ugly thing has to be made to its ugliest before it can be made to end. If not for his insistence in taking war directly to the enemy, that war might never have ended.</p>
<p>4. Lieutenant Colonel Earl &#8220;Pete&#8221; Ellis (USMC): After Gallipoli in WW1, it was determined by the powers that be in europe that forced amphibious landings against defended beaches was best viewed as a suicidal venture. </p>
<p>If it had not been for the work of Lt. Col. Ellis in 1920, there may well have been no amphibious capability or doctrine developed by the US in time for what had to be done in WW2. Even with that early a start, we didn&#8217;t have a functional landing craft adopted until 1940.</p>
<p>5. Henry Ford: Weirdo and a strange duck in lots of ways, but did come up with a functional process to kick the industrial age into the next gear.</p>
<p>6. Susan B. Anthony: As representative of the entire suffrage movement. Without which, I&#8217;d have had to deal with strong willed and intelligent mother and sisters who would probably have taken their lack of right to be heard in elections out on me.</p>
<p>7. Martin Luther King: The process had been started by others, but he did valiant work and paid for it. He wasn&#8217;t a saint, but no man is. </p>
<p>The rest are just personal favs:</p>
<p>8. Robert E. Howard: I really enjoyed his pulp fiction heroic epic stories as a youngin.</p>
<p>9. Mark Twain: Not the Clemens guy, but his reinvented self. </p>
<p>10. Inventor of milblogs, who ever that was. Without which, we&#8217;d have  submitted to the will of our domestic cult of cowardice by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Cappy</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56994</link>
		<author>Cappy</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56994</guid>
					<description>&lt;b&gt;Here goes Cappy's selections:&lt;/b&gt;
1.  Abraham Lincoln
2.  Thomas Edison
3.  Albert Einstein
4.  Philo T. Farnsworth
5.  Bill Gates
6.  Dwight D. Eisenhower
7.  George Washington
8.  Paul Brown
9.  Franklin D. Roosevelt
10. Jonas Salk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Here goes Cappy&#8217;s selections:</b><br />
1.  Abraham Lincoln<br />
2.  Thomas Edison<br />
3.  Albert Einstein<br />
4.  Philo T. Farnsworth<br />
5.  Bill Gates<br />
6.  Dwight D. Eisenhower<br />
7.  George Washington<br />
8.  Paul Brown<br />
9.  Franklin D. Roosevelt<br />
10. Jonas Salk</p>
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		<title>By: M.E.</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56997</link>
		<author>M.E.</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56997</guid>
					<description>Wow, the &lt;a href="http://www.heritage.org/Research/Thought/hl1020.cfm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Heritage Foundation article&lt;/a&gt; linked above was fantastic!!  The link ought to be passed around the entire country, twice.   The content of that article is reason #983 that I'm homeschooling my four.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, the <a href="http://www.heritage.org/Research/Thought/hl1020.cfm" rel="nofollow">Heritage Foundation article</a> linked above was fantastic!!  The link ought to be passed around the entire country, twice.   The content of that article is reason #983 that I&#8217;m homeschooling my four.</p>
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		<title>By: neo-neocon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56998</link>
		<author>neo-neocon</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-56998</guid>
					<description>Cappy:  when last I checked, numbers one, six, seven, and nine are former Presidents.  Not allowed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cappy:  when last I checked, numbers one, six, seven, and nine are former Presidents.  Not allowed!</p>
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		<title>By: nyomythus</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57003</link>
		<author>nyomythus</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57003</guid>
					<description>I can see Martin Luther King Jr and Albert Einstein in the top ten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see Martin Luther King Jr and Albert Einstein in the top ten.</p>
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		<title>By: Scrapiron</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57004</link>
		<author>Scrapiron</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57004</guid>
					<description>I think it's time for the real Americans (conservatives) to take a work break (200+ years is enough),  and go on welfare. If the liberals want the country to remain then let them work, fight and die for it while we lay in the shade and drink beer. But we'll fight them at every turn to release every child rapist, thug and terrorists on the public so they can handle them with hugs and kisses, that is while they rape they're children and wives. Give the liberal democrats the rope to hang themselves, and they  will hang themselves. I even refuse to cut them down, let them rot in a tree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s time for the real Americans (conservatives) to take a work break (200+ years is enough),  and go on welfare. If the liberals want the country to remain then let them work, fight and die for it while we lay in the shade and drink beer. But we&#8217;ll fight them at every turn to release every child rapist, thug and terrorists on the public so they can handle them with hugs and kisses, that is while they rape they&#8217;re children and wives. Give the liberal democrats the rope to hang themselves, and they  will hang themselves. I even refuse to cut them down, let them rot in a tree.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Petersen</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57005</link>
		<author>Jim Petersen</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57005</guid>
					<description>neo,
I rarely respond to blogs but this is interesting. My list:
1. Alexander Hamilton
2.  Mark Twain
3.  Martin Luther King
4.  Gideon Blackburn
5.  Helen Keller
6.  Henry Ford
7.  Thomas Alva Edison
8.  Susan B. Anthony
9.  Elvis Presley
10.  Bill Gates

A strange list I know, but each had a special place in American History.

J.P.

P.S.  I can tell u are beautiful in spite of the apple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo,<br />
I rarely respond to blogs but this is interesting. My list:<br />
1. Alexander Hamilton<br />
2.  Mark Twain<br />
3.  Martin Luther King<br />
4.  Gideon Blackburn<br />
5.  Helen Keller<br />
6.  Henry Ford<br />
7.  Thomas Alva Edison<br />
8.  Susan B. Anthony<br />
9.  Elvis Presley<br />
10.  Bill Gates</p>
<p>A strange list I know, but each had a special place in American History.</p>
<p>J.P.</p>
<p>P.S.  I can tell u are beautiful in spite of the apple.</p>
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		<title>By: harry McHitlerburtonstein the Extremist</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57006</link>
		<author>harry McHitlerburtonstein the Extremist</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57006</guid>
					<description>You mean Oprah &lt;i&gt;isn't&lt;/i&gt; on your top-ten list?

Man, you guys &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean Oprah <i>isn&#8217;t</i> on your top-ten list?</p>
<p>Man, you guys <i>are</i> weird.</p>
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		<title>By: Trimegistus</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57008</link>
		<author>Trimegistus</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57008</guid>
					<description>Okay, the criterion was "famous" not "great," and no Presidents allowed.  I'm also going to add the criterion "no actors."  And I'm going to go with people who _should_ be famous.  That leaves me this:

1.  Thomas Edison (Mr. Technology, aka Mr. Self-Promotion)
2.  Neil Armstrong (first man to step on the MOON!)
3.  Steve Jobs (Edison 2.0)
4.  John D. Rockefeller (the ultimate capitalist)
5.  Norman Borlaug (back when a Nobel Peace prize meant something)
6.  George Marshall (architect of victory in both World War II and the Cold War)
7.  Mark Twain (America's greatest author so far)
8.  Benjamin Franklin (architect of liberty)
9.  Louis Armstrong (Jazz music was born and died with him)
10.  Alexander Hamilton (architect of the nation)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, the criterion was &#8220;famous&#8221; not &#8220;great,&#8221; and no Presidents allowed.  I&#8217;m also going to add the criterion &#8220;no actors.&#8221;  And I&#8217;m going to go with people who _should_ be famous.  That leaves me this:</p>
<p>1.  Thomas Edison (Mr. Technology, aka Mr. Self-Promotion)<br />
2.  Neil Armstrong (first man to step on the MOON!)<br />
3.  Steve Jobs (Edison 2.0)<br />
4.  John D. Rockefeller (the ultimate capitalist)<br />
5.  Norman Borlaug (back when a Nobel Peace prize meant something)<br />
6.  George Marshall (architect of victory in both World War II and the Cold War)<br />
7.  Mark Twain (America&#8217;s greatest author so far)<br />
8.  Benjamin Franklin (architect of liberty)<br />
9.  Louis Armstrong (Jazz music was born and died with him)<br />
10.  Alexander Hamilton (architect of the nation)</p>
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		<title>By: karrde</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57011</link>
		<author>karrde</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have a hard time seeing Einstein as a famous American.

He did his best scientific work while employed in a patent office in Europe. However, his signature was one among the group of signatures on the letter to Pres. Roosevelt that birthed the Manhattan Project.

Anyways, my list of American scientists/inventors who ought to be famous, in roughly chronological order:

Benjamin Franklin
&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_Carver" rel="nofollow"&gt;George Washington Carver&lt;/a&gt;
Samuel F.B. Morse
Alexander Graham Bell
Thomas Edison
Henry Ford
&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Shannon" rel="nofollow"&gt;Claude Shannon&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href="http://www.ti.com/corp/docs/kilbyctr/jackstclair.shtml" rel="nofollow"&gt;Jack Kilby&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.pbs.org/transistor/album1/addlbios/noyce.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Robert Noyce&lt;/a&gt; (Integrated circuit chips)

A similar list could probably be constructed for military men (including a few who later became President). Or those who had great cultural/literary/musical achievements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a hard time seeing Einstein as a famous American.</p>
<p>He did his best scientific work while employed in a patent office in Europe. However, his signature was one among the group of signatures on the letter to Pres. Roosevelt that birthed the Manhattan Project.</p>
<p>Anyways, my list of American scientists/inventors who ought to be famous, in roughly chronological order:</p>
<p>Benjamin Franklin<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_Carver" rel="nofollow">George Washington Carver</a><br />
Samuel F.B. Morse<br />
Alexander Graham Bell<br />
Thomas Edison<br />
Henry Ford<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Shannon" rel="nofollow">Claude Shannon</a><br />
<a href="http://www.ti.com/corp/docs/kilbyctr/jackstclair.shtml" rel="nofollow">Jack Kilby</a> and <a href="http://www.pbs.org/transistor/album1/addlbios/noyce.html" rel="nofollow">Robert Noyce</a> (Integrated circuit chips)</p>
<p>A similar list could probably be constructed for military men (including a few who later became President). Or those who had great cultural/literary/musical achievements.</p>
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		<title>By: Assistant Village Idiot</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57012</link>
		<author>Assistant Village Idiot</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The list is of course its own evidence of who is the most famous.  Whoever people think of to vote for are by definition the most famous people.  What the list reveals about the mind of the country is something else again.  We tend to think of who &lt;i&gt;deserves&lt;/i&gt; to be most famous.  That list should perhaps include Norman Borlaug, Jonas Salk, and Henry Ford.  Sports and entertainment figures are certainly famous, but we would be entertained by someone else in their slots had they not existed, so they did not change America much.

Franklin and Hamilton get the added benefit of founder effect, directing the young plant in its growth.  William Seward talked the government into buying Alaska - that has to count for something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The list is of course its own evidence of who is the most famous.  Whoever people think of to vote for are by definition the most famous people.  What the list reveals about the mind of the country is something else again.  We tend to think of who <i>deserves</i> to be most famous.  That list should perhaps include Norman Borlaug, Jonas Salk, and Henry Ford.  Sports and entertainment figures are certainly famous, but we would be entertained by someone else in their slots had they not existed, so they did not change America much.</p>
<p>Franklin and Hamilton get the added benefit of founder effect, directing the young plant in its growth.  William Seward talked the government into buying Alaska - that has to count for something.</p>
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		<title>By: schnargley</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57017</link>
		<author>schnargley</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 04:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The fact that they asked for "the most famous" instead of "the greatest" or the "most noteworthy,"is telling in and of itself...about the pollsters, not the students. Who really gives a fat flip who is "famous?' Why is that even important? But since we're answering the question that wasn't asked...

1. Billy Graham
2. Hemingway
3. Steinbeck
3. Jonathan Edwards
4. Albert Einstein
5. Bill Gates
6. Ella Fitzgerald
7. Frank Sinatra
8. John Marshall
9. Ben Franklin
9. Edison</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that they asked for &#8220;the most famous&#8221; instead of &#8220;the greatest&#8221; or the &#8220;most noteworthy,&#8221;is telling in and of itself&#8230;about the pollsters, not the students. Who really gives a fat flip who is &#8220;famous?&#8217; Why is that even important? But since we&#8217;re answering the question that wasn&#8217;t asked&#8230;</p>
<p>1. Billy Graham<br />
2. Hemingway<br />
3. Steinbeck<br />
3. Jonathan Edwards<br />
4. Albert Einstein<br />
5. Bill Gates<br />
6. Ella Fitzgerald<br />
7. Frank Sinatra<br />
8. John Marshall<br />
9. Ben Franklin<br />
9. Edison</p>
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		<title>By: schnargley</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57018</link>
		<author>schnargley</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 04:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57018</guid>
					<description>And todays young Americans can't count either!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And todays young Americans can&#8217;t count either!</p>
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		<title>By: njcommuter</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57020</link>
		<author>njcommuter</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 04:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57020</guid>
					<description>Who should be famous?

Edwin Armstrong (most of the foundation technologies of analog radio transmission), Claude Shannon (Communication Theory and Information Theory, IMO far more important than the transistor), Bardeen, Brattain, and Shockley (invented the transistor, though Shockley later became known for promulgating 'scientific' racisism; they shared a Nobel Prize for their invention and Bardeen shared a second Physics Nobel for the foundation physics of superconductivity), J. Presper Eckert and John Mauchly, the development of ENIAC and much of the foundation technology of computing electronics), Winfield Scott (one of history's great natural generals, also a student of both war and the classics, under whom both Grant and Lee learned war), Williard Gibbs (vector mechanics and thermodynamics in chemical reactions), John Hall (chief armorer at Harper's Ferry who demonstrated the use of automated machine tools for mass production), Sam Colt (who first made mass production by interchangeable parts profitable), etc., etc., etc.

You really can't limit it to ten.  How about the inventor of the clipper ship?  Or John Holland, whose last work bears his name?  John and Washington Roebling, who changed the way people look at rivers and chasms?  Peter Cooper, whose personal industry created products that became part of the fabric of society and whose thrift and generosity not only endowed a school but inspired Carnegie, Vassar, and Cornell to do the same?  How about Orville and Wilbur Wright, visionaries and yet careful and thorough experimenters who created aviation?

Give me a day and I'll stretch the list into the hundreds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who should be famous?</p>
<p>Edwin Armstrong (most of the foundation technologies of analog radio transmission), Claude Shannon (Communication Theory and Information Theory, IMO far more important than the transistor), Bardeen, Brattain, and Shockley (invented the transistor, though Shockley later became known for promulgating &#8217;scientific&#8217; racisism; they shared a Nobel Prize for their invention and Bardeen shared a second Physics Nobel for the foundation physics of superconductivity), J. Presper Eckert and John Mauchly, the development of ENIAC and much of the foundation technology of computing electronics), Winfield Scott (one of history&#8217;s great natural generals, also a student of both war and the classics, under whom both Grant and Lee learned war), Williard Gibbs (vector mechanics and thermodynamics in chemical reactions), John Hall (chief armorer at Harper&#8217;s Ferry who demonstrated the use of automated machine tools for mass production), Sam Colt (who first made mass production by interchangeable parts profitable), etc., etc., etc.</p>
<p>You really can&#8217;t limit it to ten.  How about the inventor of the clipper ship?  Or John Holland, whose last work bears his name?  John and Washington Roebling, who changed the way people look at rivers and chasms?  Peter Cooper, whose personal industry created products that became part of the fabric of society and whose thrift and generosity not only endowed a school but inspired Carnegie, Vassar, and Cornell to do the same?  How about Orville and Wilbur Wright, visionaries and yet careful and thorough experimenters who created aviation?</p>
<p>Give me a day and I&#8217;ll stretch the list into the hundreds.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57022</link>
		<author>Dave</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 05:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57022</guid>
					<description>I. William Penn
2. Benjamin Franklin
3. Benedict Arnold
4. Robert E. Lee
5. Stonewall Jackson
6. Alexander Graham Bell
7. George Armstrong Custer
8. Henry Ford
9.Thomas Edison
10. George Marshall

I believe the names of these individuals will live on long after the names of our contemporaries are no longer even a footnote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I. William Penn<br />
2. Benjamin Franklin<br />
3. Benedict Arnold<br />
4. Robert E. Lee<br />
5. Stonewall Jackson<br />
6. Alexander Graham Bell<br />
7. George Armstrong Custer<br />
8. Henry Ford<br />
9.Thomas Edison<br />
10. George Marshall</p>
<p>I believe the names of these individuals will live on long after the names of our contemporaries are no longer even a footnote.</p>
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		<title>By: huxley</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57024</link>
		<author>huxley</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 05:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57024</guid>
					<description>Here's my shot. It's a tougher exercise than I thought. Emphasis on "famous" and "famous in American history" as I imagine that now.

All these figures are iconic.

Andy Warhol
Benjamin Franklin
Bill Gates
Elvis Presley
Humphrey Bogart
Jacqueline Kennedy
Marilyn Monroe
Mark Twain
Martin Luther King
Walt Disney</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my shot. It&#8217;s a tougher exercise than I thought. Emphasis on &#8220;famous&#8221; and &#8220;famous in American history&#8221; as I imagine that now.</p>
<p>All these figures are iconic.</p>
<p>Andy Warhol<br />
Benjamin Franklin<br />
Bill Gates<br />
Elvis Presley<br />
Humphrey Bogart<br />
Jacqueline Kennedy<br />
Marilyn Monroe<br />
Mark Twain<br />
Martin Luther King<br />
Walt Disney</p>
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		<title>By: nyomythus</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57062</link>
		<author>nyomythus</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57062</guid>
					<description>In alphabetical order:

Abraham Lincoln
Albert Einstein
Bill Gates
Christopher Hitchens
Karl Marx
Martin Luther King, Jr
Pablo Picasso
Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Paine
Winston Churchill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In alphabetical order:</p>
<p>Abraham Lincoln<br />
Albert Einstein<br />
Bill Gates<br />
Christopher Hitchens<br />
Karl Marx<br />
Martin Luther King, Jr<br />
Pablo Picasso<br />
Thomas Jefferson<br />
Thomas Paine<br />
Winston Churchill</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Wolberg</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57063</link>
		<author>Donald Wolberg</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Was there not a poll that showed that 70% of American High School students thought that Latin was the language spoken in Latin America? It is wondereful when "education" accomplishes the impossible: political correctness and a total lack of knowledge, a two-fer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was there not a poll that showed that 70% of American High School students thought that Latin was the language spoken in Latin America? It is wondereful when &#8220;education&#8221; accomplishes the impossible: political correctness and a total lack of knowledge, a two-fer.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57073</link>
		<author>Terry</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57073</guid>
					<description>Babe Ruth
Neal Armstrong
Benjamin Franklin
Albert Einstein
Elvis Presley
Charles Lindbergh
Muhammad Ali
Marylin Monroe
The Wright Brothers
Thomas Edison</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Babe Ruth<br />
Neal Armstrong<br />
Benjamin Franklin<br />
Albert Einstein<br />
Elvis Presley<br />
Charles Lindbergh<br />
Muhammad Ali<br />
Marylin Monroe<br />
The Wright Brothers<br />
Thomas Edison</p>
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		<title>By: Sergey</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57089</link>
		<author>Sergey</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57089</guid>
					<description>Ayn Rand
Douglas MacArthur
Edward Teller
John Edgar Hoover
Joseph Raymond McCarthy
Henry Ford
Milton Friedman
Neil Armstrong
Richard Phillips Feynman
Robert Oppenheimer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ayn Rand<br />
Douglas MacArthur<br />
Edward Teller<br />
John Edgar Hoover<br />
Joseph Raymond McCarthy<br />
Henry Ford<br />
Milton Friedman<br />
Neil Armstrong<br />
Richard Phillips Feynman<br />
Robert Oppenheimer</p>
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		<title>By: Bugs</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57090</link>
		<author>Bugs</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57090</guid>
					<description>Great lists - especially when you consider "fame" is the criterion, not importance, wealth, power, goodness, or even usefulness. 

The kids' list was obviously regurgitated pabulum - they were saying what they thought their teachers and society at large would approve of. Good little citizens, every one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great lists - especially when you consider &#8220;fame&#8221; is the criterion, not importance, wealth, power, goodness, or even usefulness. </p>
<p>The kids&#8217; list was obviously regurgitated pabulum - they were saying what they thought their teachers and society at large would approve of. Good little citizens, every one.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57097</link>
		<author>Christopher</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57097</guid>
					<description>I do find it interesting that Marilyn Monroe keeps popping up in these lists - both the kids' and commenters - though I suspect it's because of her image and the JFK connection rather than her movies (perhaps I'm being overly cynical, but if more than five percent of those 2000 students could name one Monroe movie, I'd be surprised).

Still, what's the definition of "famous?"  That they got a lot of press coverage?  By that standard, Aimee Semple McPherson fills the category rather nicely.  As do Mary Pickford and Douglas Fairbanks, whose worldwide popularity was second only to Chaplin's in the 'teens and early twenties.

My ten famous Americans?  Leaving out politicians and actors takes a wide chunk out.  But, in no particular order, I'd name:
1. Benjamin Banneker (a sentimental fave)
2. Philip Glass
3. Elvis (for music, not his films)
4. Edison
5. Ford
6. George Gershwin
7. Walt Kelly
8. James McNeill Whistler
9. George Kaufman
10.Bennett Cerf

But that's just off the top of my head and reflects my own predilections at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do find it interesting that Marilyn Monroe keeps popping up in these lists - both the kids&#8217; and commenters - though I suspect it&#8217;s because of her image and the JFK connection rather than her movies (perhaps I&#8217;m being overly cynical, but if more than five percent of those 2000 students could name one Monroe movie, I&#8217;d be surprised).</p>
<p>Still, what&#8217;s the definition of &#8220;famous?&#8221;  That they got a lot of press coverage?  By that standard, Aimee Semple McPherson fills the category rather nicely.  As do Mary Pickford and Douglas Fairbanks, whose worldwide popularity was second only to Chaplin&#8217;s in the &#8216;teens and early twenties.</p>
<p>My ten famous Americans?  Leaving out politicians and actors takes a wide chunk out.  But, in no particular order, I&#8217;d name:<br />
1. Benjamin Banneker (a sentimental fave)<br />
2. Philip Glass<br />
3. Elvis (for music, not his films)<br />
4. Edison<br />
5. Ford<br />
6. George Gershwin<br />
7. Walt Kelly<br />
8. James McNeill Whistler<br />
9. George Kaufman<br />
10.Bennett Cerf</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s just off the top of my head and reflects my own predilections at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57101</link>
		<author>Pat</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57101</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;And note the question asked was not who is “most influential,” “most admired,” or “most important,” merely most famous.&lt;/i&gt;

With that observation, you put your finger on what is wrong with this survey. It's not about great or important people; it's about &lt;i&gt;celebrities&lt;/i&gt;.

So my answer to your question ("Who would be on your list?") is: no one, because I would never waste my time compiling a list of celebrities. And I'm disgusted that high school students are being asked to waste &lt;i&gt;their&lt;/i&gt; time on something as inane as this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And note the question asked was not who is “most influential,” “most admired,” or “most important,” merely most famous.</i></p>
<p>With that observation, you put your finger on what is wrong with this survey. It&#8217;s not about great or important people; it&#8217;s about <i>celebrities</i>.</p>
<p>So my answer to your question (&#8221;Who would be on your list?&#8221;) is: no one, because I would never waste my time compiling a list of celebrities. And I&#8217;m disgusted that high school students are being asked to waste <i>their</i> time on something as inane as this.</p>
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		<title>By: Bent Notes &#187; Blog Archive &#187;</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57107</link>
		<author>Bent Notes &#187; Blog Archive &#187;</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57107</guid>
					<description>[...] Several blogs have weighed in on the poll of high-school students fashioned by history professors from Stanford and the University of Maryland regarding the ten most famous Americans of all time.  While the question &#8220;who do you think is most famous?&#8221; is rather unproductive (&#8221;No, this star sold more records!&#8221; &#8220;No, this politician was mentioned more times in newspaper articles!&#8221;), the top ten as pronounced by the poll results is a telling list.  I would imagine the students actually went with what I would have gone with: who was most influential, or had the greatest impact on U.S. history.  Still the answers are further justification for discouragement about the future of our society.  There were some pretty dumb and off-the-wall selections.  Oprah Winfrey?  Marilyn Monroe? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Several blogs have weighed in on the poll of high-school students fashioned by history professors from Stanford and the University of Maryland regarding the ten most famous Americans of all time.  While the question &#8220;who do you think is most famous?&#8221; is rather unproductive (&#8221;No, this star sold more records!&#8221; &#8220;No, this politician was mentioned more times in newspaper articles!&#8221;), the top ten as pronounced by the poll results is a telling list.  I would imagine the students actually went with what I would have gone with: who was most influential, or had the greatest impact on U.S. history.  Still the answers are further justification for discouragement about the future of our society.  There were some pretty dumb and off-the-wall selections.  Oprah Winfrey?  Marilyn Monroe? [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: DonS</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57129</link>
		<author>DonS</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57129</guid>
					<description>Several good names on the above lists. I'd add:

John Moses Browning.
Sam Colt.
Davy Crockett.
Sam Houston.
General MacArthur.
General Winfield Scott.
Gen. Custer.
Gen. Pershing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several good names on the above lists. I&#8217;d add:</p>
<p>John Moses Browning.<br />
Sam Colt.<br />
Davy Crockett.<br />
Sam Houston.<br />
General MacArthur.<br />
General Winfield Scott.<br />
Gen. Custer.<br />
Gen. Pershing.</p>
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		<title>By: DonS</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57132</link>
		<author>DonS</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57132</guid>
					<description>The fact that Amelia Earhart makes the cut, while Lindberg, the Wright brothers, and aces like Eddie Rickenbaker, Frank Luke, and others don't make it is telling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that Amelia Earhart makes the cut, while Lindberg, the Wright brothers, and aces like Eddie Rickenbaker, Frank Luke, and others don&#8217;t make it is telling.</p>
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		<title>By: nyomythus</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57139</link>
		<author>nyomythus</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57139</guid>
					<description>or Chuck Yeager</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or Chuck Yeager</p>
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		<title>By: douglas</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57203</link>
		<author>douglas</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dave, I think Bendict Arnold is an inspired choice- Infamous is certainly famous, and when your name becomes synonomous with your product (kleenex-tissue, xerox-copies, Benedict Arnold-treason), you're pretty famous.  Few others above mentioned can claim that.

Nyomythus, Marx, Picasso, and Churchill were not Americans.  Hitchens, just barely.

As an architect, I must toss Frank Lloyd Wright's name into the ring.  It seems most lists do reflect the originators idiosyncracies more than a sense of general fame.  Perhaps the kids are more on target in this regard, but I agree, it's a senseless question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, I think Bendict Arnold is an inspired choice- Infamous is certainly famous, and when your name becomes synonomous with your product (kleenex-tissue, xerox-copies, Benedict Arnold-treason), you&#8217;re pretty famous.  Few others above mentioned can claim that.</p>
<p>Nyomythus, Marx, Picasso, and Churchill were not Americans.  Hitchens, just barely.</p>
<p>As an architect, I must toss Frank Lloyd Wright&#8217;s name into the ring.  It seems most lists do reflect the originators idiosyncracies more than a sense of general fame.  Perhaps the kids are more on target in this regard, but I agree, it&#8217;s a senseless question.</p>
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		<title>By: nyom</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57240</link>
		<author>nyom</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57240</guid>
					<description>I was taking liberty to include influential people in general, doh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was taking liberty to include influential people in general, doh.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57252</link>
		<author>Terry</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57252</guid>
					<description>#  nyomythus Says:
February 12th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

or Chuck Yeager

I had Al Capone &#38; Chuck Yeager on my original list. I dropped Yeager because he is more a personal hero than a 'famous" person. I dropped Capone because his fame (infamy) was more national than world-wide.

I dropped them &#38; added Ali &#38; the Wright Brothers. both have huge world wide fame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#  nyomythus Says:<br />
February 12th, 2008 at 6:46 pm</p>
<p>or Chuck Yeager</p>
<p>I had Al Capone &amp; Chuck Yeager on my original list. I dropped Yeager because he is more a personal hero than a &#8216;famous&#8221; person. I dropped Capone because his fame (infamy) was more national than world-wide.</p>
<p>I dropped them &amp; added Ali &amp; the Wright Brothers. both have huge world wide fame.</p>
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		<title>By: ToddH</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57397</link>
		<author>ToddH</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 01:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57397</guid>
					<description>Real quick this is what came to mind:

1. George Washington
2. Abraham Lincoln</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real quick this is what came to mind:</p>
<p>1. George Washington<br />
2. Abraham Lincoln</p>
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		<title>By: ToddH</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57398</link>
		<author>ToddH</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 01:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57398</guid>
					<description>Real quick this is what came to mind:

1. George Washington
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. Robert E. Lee
4. Andrew Carnegie
5. Thomas Edison
6. Theodore Roosevelt
7. Dwight Eisenhower
8. Alexander Graham Bell
9. Albert Einstein
10. Ronald Reagan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real quick this is what came to mind:</p>
<p>1. George Washington<br />
2. Abraham Lincoln<br />
3. Robert E. Lee<br />
4. Andrew Carnegie<br />
5. Thomas Edison<br />
6. Theodore Roosevelt<br />
7. Dwight Eisenhower<br />
8. Alexander Graham Bell<br />
9. Albert Einstein<br />
10. Ronald Reagan</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Pappas</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57493</link>
		<author>Jason Pappas</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-57493</guid>
					<description>1 Benjamin Franklin
2 Alexander Hamilton
3 Aron Burr
4 Nathaniel Hawthorne
5 Davy Crockett
6 Harriet Beecher Stowe
7 Thomas Alva Edison
8 Cornelius Vanderbilt
9 John D Rockefeller
10 The James Brothers (William and Henry)

I decided to do a pre-WWI list since only time gives proper perspective. I also left off Presidents and Generals. Tenth place is a tie if we still consider Henry an American.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1 Benjamin Franklin<br />
2 Alexander Hamilton<br />
3 Aron Burr<br />
4 Nathaniel Hawthorne<br />
5 Davy Crockett<br />
6 Harriet Beecher Stowe<br />
7 Thomas Alva Edison<br />
8 Cornelius Vanderbilt<br />
9 John D Rockefeller<br />
10 The James Brothers (William and Henry)</p>
<p>I decided to do a pre-WWI list since only time gives proper perspective. I also left off Presidents and Generals. Tenth place is a tie if we still consider Henry an American.</p>
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		<title>By: Road Sassy &#187; Another Reason to Home School Your Kid</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-58212</link>
		<author>Road Sassy &#187; Another Reason to Home School Your Kid</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-58212</guid>
					<description>[...] In an eye-opening poll of 2000 American High-Schoolers, here are the Top Ten Most Famous Americans as determined by researchers… No Presidents or First [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] In an eye-opening poll of 2000 American High-Schoolers, here are the Top Ten Most Famous Americans as determined by researchers… No Presidents or First [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Fredjr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-60602</link>
		<author>Fredjr</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/02/11/ten-most-famous-americans-the-changing-american-educational-scene/#comment-60602</guid>
					<description>What is likely to be on the list of the kiddies today are people the Gramscians have approved of:  people who are more likely than not to be critics of our history, culture, and religious traditions.  We now have two full generations, and counting, of kids who are assiduously taught to despise their culture and nation.

No wonder the 7th century savages, those minions of Allah, have been invited in to ravage our civilization.  We have no sense of its value anymore.  Well, at least some of the Baby Boomers like myself, who recovered from the Left, surely do appreciate its worth and know who those people are who have been the best to contribute to it.

Remember, Oprah Windfrey (Ooops! - a slip) Winfrey introduced and advanced Barack Hussein Obama to her audiences and beyond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is likely to be on the list of the kiddies today are people the Gramscians have approved of:  people who are more likely than not to be critics of our history, culture, and religious traditions.  We now have two full generations, and counting, of kids who are assiduously taught to despise their culture and nation.</p>
<p>No wonder the 7th century savages, those minions of Allah, have been invited in to ravage our civilization.  We have no sense of its value anymore.  Well, at least some of the Baby Boomers like myself, who recovered from the Left, surely do appreciate its worth and know who those people are who have been the best to contribute to it.</p>
<p>Remember, Oprah Windfrey (Ooops! - a slip) Winfrey introduced and advanced Barack Hussein Obama to her audiences and beyond.</p>
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