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		<title>By: Vocal Minority</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/13/mamet-the-end-of-the-beginning/#comment-61832</link>
		<dc:creator>Vocal Minority</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 02:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;David Mamet: *Former* Liberal...&lt;/strong&gt;

Ultra-liberal playwright David Mamet published an article last week in the Village Voice titled, Why I Am No Longer a &#039;Brain-Dead Liberal&#039;. The meat of the lengthy piece is here:As a child of the &#039;60s, I accepted as an article of faith that governme...</description>
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<p>Ultra-liberal playwright David Mamet published an article last week in the Village Voice titled, Why I Am No Longer a &#8216;Brain-Dead Liberal&#8217;. The meat of the lengthy piece is here:As a child of the &#8217;60s, I accepted as an article of faith that governme&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ike</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/13/mamet-the-end-of-the-beginning/#comment-61449</link>
		<dc:creator>Ike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well played, Mr. Doremei.  I couldn&#039;t have made the point more plainly than that.  Thank you for more plainly exposing the weakness of your position in as succinct a manner as possible.

Your complaint about &quot;free&quot; vs. &quot;regulated&quot; markets is ridiculous.  For you, a truly &quot;free&quot; market is like a true vacuum, which would be as deadly and cold as interstellar space.  By your logic, a true vacuum would be bad; therefore ANY pressure differential would ALSO be bad.  Vacuum cleaners ought to be outlawed, because they simply suck.

Throwing out any semblance of a &quot;free&quot; market because of your aversion to your dystopian notion of anarchy is ludicrous --- and ignores the body of evidence that the freer the market, the BETTER the overall living conditions of &quot;the people.&quot;

There are TWO elements required for prosperity:  freedom to trade, and a rule of law that enforces freely-entered contracts in a fair and just manner.  You&#039;re ditching one end of that equation entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well played, Mr. Doremei.  I couldn&#8217;t have made the point more plainly than that.  Thank you for more plainly exposing the weakness of your position in as succinct a manner as possible.</p>
<p>Your complaint about &#8220;free&#8221; vs. &#8220;regulated&#8221; markets is ridiculous.  For you, a truly &#8220;free&#8221; market is like a true vacuum, which would be as deadly and cold as interstellar space.  By your logic, a true vacuum would be bad; therefore ANY pressure differential would ALSO be bad.  Vacuum cleaners ought to be outlawed, because they simply suck.</p>
<p>Throwing out any semblance of a &#8220;free&#8221; market because of your aversion to your dystopian notion of anarchy is ludicrous &#8212; and ignores the body of evidence that the freer the market, the BETTER the overall living conditions of &#8220;the people.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are TWO elements required for prosperity:  freedom to trade, and a rule of law that enforces freely-entered contracts in a fair and just manner.  You&#8217;re ditching one end of that equation entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: an unrepentant kulak</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/13/mamet-the-end-of-the-beginning/#comment-61448</link>
		<dc:creator>an unrepentant kulak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 06:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to see you noticed Mamet&#039;s article too, as it immediately brought your &quot;difficult thing to change&quot; series to mind.

I&#039;m not extensively familiar Mamet&#039;s earlier work, but it does seem that his shift in worldview may already be evident in his work.  I&#039;ve greatly enjoyed all three seasons of Mamet&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unit&quot; title=&quot;The Unit&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;The Unit&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, which is refreshingly unlike most other recent Hollywood fare in its treatment of U.S. soldiers and the work they do, portraying them as neither monsters nor victims, but dedicated, flawed, heroic, ordinary, exceptional human beings.  I highly recommend the show.  It&#039;s nice to see someone in Hollywoodland cheer for the home team for a change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see you noticed Mamet&#8217;s article too, as it immediately brought your &#8220;difficult thing to change&#8221; series to mind.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not extensively familiar Mamet&#8217;s earlier work, but it does seem that his shift in worldview may already be evident in his work.  I&#8217;ve greatly enjoyed all three seasons of Mamet&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unit" title="The Unit" rel="nofollow">&#8220;The Unit&#8221;</a>, which is refreshingly unlike most other recent Hollywood fare in its treatment of U.S. soldiers and the work they do, portraying them as neither monsters nor victims, but dedicated, flawed, heroic, ordinary, exceptional human beings.  I highly recommend the show.  It&#8217;s nice to see someone in Hollywoodland cheer for the home team for a change.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/13/mamet-the-end-of-the-beginning/#comment-61447</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 05:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no such thing as majority rules, but that didn&#039;t stop fake liberals from promoting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no such thing as majority rules, but that didn&#8217;t stop fake liberals from promoting it.</p>
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		<title>By: John Doraemi</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/13/mamet-the-end-of-the-beginning/#comment-61433</link>
		<dc:creator>John Doraemi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&quot;You lost me when you started bashing anything and everything “free market” with the most outlandish and extreme examples to make your point.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;


&quot;Free market&quot; is a lie.  There is no such thing.  Volumes are written about this all the time.  Your market doesn&#039;t exist in a vacuum, divorced from the rest of society.  

Real world abuses of the &quot;market&quot; are common, and have been common here.  We have progressed beyond such a horrendous society thanks to the struggles of the working classes AGAINST your free market capitalists.

The free marketers have responded by exploiting workers in places where they have less protections, such as China, Mexico and Indonesia.  Our government has promoted this, and helped ship millions of US jobs overseas, and helped to depress wages here.  Is all this new to you?

The distinction that&#039;s important here is between a &quot;free&quot; market where anything goes vs. a regulated market where there is a referee (the gov&#039;t) empowered to safeguard people&#039;s rights.  

Mamet&#039;s &quot;journey&quot; should have examined all these issues in some more depth before he spewed his propaganda across the media.

Crimes of the State Blog
http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>&#8220;You lost me when you started bashing anything and everything “free market” with the most outlandish and extreme examples to make your point.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>&#8220;Free market&#8221; is a lie.  There is no such thing.  Volumes are written about this all the time.  Your market doesn&#8217;t exist in a vacuum, divorced from the rest of society.  </p>
<p>Real world abuses of the &#8220;market&#8221; are common, and have been common here.  We have progressed beyond such a horrendous society thanks to the struggles of the working classes AGAINST your free market capitalists.</p>
<p>The free marketers have responded by exploiting workers in places where they have less protections, such as China, Mexico and Indonesia.  Our government has promoted this, and helped ship millions of US jobs overseas, and helped to depress wages here.  Is all this new to you?</p>
<p>The distinction that&#8217;s important here is between a &#8220;free&#8221; market where anything goes vs. a regulated market where there is a referee (the gov&#8217;t) empowered to safeguard people&#8217;s rights.  </p>
<p>Mamet&#8217;s &#8220;journey&#8221; should have examined all these issues in some more depth before he spewed his propaganda across the media.</p>
<p>Crimes of the State Blog<br />
<a href="http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ike</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/13/mamet-the-end-of-the-beginning/#comment-61432</link>
		<dc:creator>Ike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I tried reading your diatribe.  I really did.  And I&#039;m a fairly bright individual.

You lost me when you started bashing anything and everything &quot;free market&quot; with the most outlandish and extreme examples to make your point.

You clearly disagree with some of Mamet&#039;s premises, which is your right to do.  But you lost any authority to examine his reasoning, his path of logic, when you resorted to Straw Man.  Mamet&#039;s piece was about a journey -- and you bashed the trip because you didn&#039;t like the destination.

Go learn a little bit about critical thinking and logic, then get back to us.  Mature adults &quot;agree to disagree&quot; all the time, when they can respect the reasoning of the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I tried reading your diatribe.  I really did.  And I&#8217;m a fairly bright individual.</p>
<p>You lost me when you started bashing anything and everything &#8220;free market&#8221; with the most outlandish and extreme examples to make your point.</p>
<p>You clearly disagree with some of Mamet&#8217;s premises, which is your right to do.  But you lost any authority to examine his reasoning, his path of logic, when you resorted to Straw Man.  Mamet&#8217;s piece was about a journey &#8212; and you bashed the trip because you didn&#8217;t like the destination.</p>
<p>Go learn a little bit about critical thinking and logic, then get back to us.  Mature adults &#8220;agree to disagree&#8221; all the time, when they can respect the reasoning of the other.</p>
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		<title>By: John Doraemi</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/13/mamet-the-end-of-the-beginning/#comment-61423</link>
		<dc:creator>John Doraemi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mamet&#039;s &quot;great essay&quot; is full of convoluted half truths, ignorance, and several outright lies -- much like you would expect from the neocons.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/2008/03/hollywoods-newest-neo-con-david-mamet.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Hollywood&#039;s Newest Neo-Con: David Mamet Chugs the Kool-Aid&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mamet&#8217;s &#8220;great essay&#8221; is full of convoluted half truths, ignorance, and several outright lies &#8212; much like you would expect from the neocons.</p>
<p><a href="http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/2008/03/hollywoods-newest-neo-con-david-mamet.html" rel="nofollow"> Hollywood&#8217;s Newest Neo-Con: David Mamet Chugs the Kool-Aid</a></p>
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		<title>By: douglas</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/13/mamet-the-end-of-the-beginning/#comment-61330</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;It would be nice if we could also get out from under the critics and art galleries. I think in many cases they’re more interested in promoting their own interests than in providing us with great art.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Critic and Curator are the new art forms, haven&#039;t you heard?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;It would be nice if we could also get out from under the critics and art galleries. I think in many cases they’re more interested in promoting their own interests than in providing us with great art.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Critic and Curator are the new art forms, haven&#8217;t you heard?</p>
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		<title>By: Bugs</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/13/mamet-the-end-of-the-beginning/#comment-61118</link>
		<dc:creator>Bugs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exuse the typo - the first para should say &quot;...change, NOT something someone else...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exuse the typo &#8211; the first para should say &#8220;&#8230;change, NOT something someone else&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bugs</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/13/mamet-the-end-of-the-beginning/#comment-61117</link>
		<dc:creator>Bugs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for Robyn!  I hope she&#039;s serious about opening her mind to change - and that she arrives at her own her own change, something someone else has processed and canned for her. It&#039;s hard to see the world with your own eyes sometimes.

Because we need more artists who can help us see the world differently with our own eyes. They can give us hints, fingers pointing at the moon - but ultimately we have to see for ourselves.

It would be nice if we could also get out from under the critics and art galleries. I think in many cases they&#039;re more interested in promoting their own interests than in providing us with great art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for Robyn!  I hope she&#8217;s serious about opening her mind to change &#8211; and that she arrives at her own her own change, something someone else has processed and canned for her. It&#8217;s hard to see the world with your own eyes sometimes.</p>
<p>Because we need more artists who can help us see the world differently with our own eyes. They can give us hints, fingers pointing at the moon &#8211; but ultimately we have to see for ourselves.</p>
<p>It would be nice if we could also get out from under the critics and art galleries. I think in many cases they&#8217;re more interested in promoting their own interests than in providing us with great art.</p>
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