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	<title>Comments on: The Tuskegee experiment and truth</title>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/19/the-tuskeegee-experiment-and-truth/#comment-65672</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a scientific consensus. Get with the program, science is the new religion. What must be done in the name of science, will be done.

Can I get an Eureka?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a scientific consensus. Get with the program, science is the new religion. What must be done in the name of science, will be done.</p>
<p>Can I get an Eureka?</p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/19/the-tuskeegee-experiment-and-truth/#comment-61488</link>
		<dc:creator>Artfldgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for those not in the know. 

Pauli was brutal.   (and another guy kept sleeping with the other physicists wives). 

i am physics trained, and so i seem to be able to discuss difficult things and hold to a neutral view. 

a neutral view is possible...  it all is in how you word things...  so if they assert that its not possible, and give an example (glass half empty, glass half full).  all they wait for is someone to show that they are not correct. 

we accept that this view, half empty and half full, is subjective. most would argue that because of such, everything is subjective.  however, in this case its only subjective if you are forced to choose, and not see them as a supposition of states. both answers as well as others like them are all valid. 

but then how does one write or communicate or have the correct mental view so that one doesnt start creating bias and then making everything subjective, thereby fulfiling the lefts ideal of everything is relative? 

simple.. you dont use loose meaningless terms. 

half full or half empty... full is the neutral term.. empty is a neutral term.. (if you dont accept air as a filler). 

halving a neutral term creates what?

it requires another term to correct it. 

the lower half is full, the upper half is empty. 

again..  a game.. 

a physicist (a group most grounded in reality), would say that you dont heve enough X to fill the glass, so either you are short the substance or your glass is too big.  if your mixing a drink, the vermouth touched the glass, then the ice, and gin... 

: )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for those not in the know. </p>
<p>Pauli was brutal.   (and another guy kept sleeping with the other physicists wives). </p>
<p>i am physics trained, and so i seem to be able to discuss difficult things and hold to a neutral view. </p>
<p>a neutral view is possible&#8230;  it all is in how you word things&#8230;  so if they assert that its not possible, and give an example (glass half empty, glass half full).  all they wait for is someone to show that they are not correct. </p>
<p>we accept that this view, half empty and half full, is subjective. most would argue that because of such, everything is subjective.  however, in this case its only subjective if you are forced to choose, and not see them as a supposition of states. both answers as well as others like them are all valid. </p>
<p>but then how does one write or communicate or have the correct mental view so that one doesnt start creating bias and then making everything subjective, thereby fulfiling the lefts ideal of everything is relative? </p>
<p>simple.. you dont use loose meaningless terms. </p>
<p>half full or half empty&#8230; full is the neutral term.. empty is a neutral term.. (if you dont accept air as a filler). </p>
<p>halving a neutral term creates what?</p>
<p>it requires another term to correct it. </p>
<p>the lower half is full, the upper half is empty. </p>
<p>again..  a game.. </p>
<p>a physicist (a group most grounded in reality), would say that you dont heve enough X to fill the glass, so either you are short the substance or your glass is too big.  if your mixing a drink, the vermouth touched the glass, then the ice, and gin&#8230; </p>
<p>: )</p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/19/the-tuskeegee-experiment-and-truth/#comment-61486</link>
		<dc:creator>Artfldgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>amr, 
  that would suggest that he is for the things that the left has NEVER been about.   

the left has ALWAYS lied since what they want to create is not something that the average person would accept IF THEY COULD PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER AND NOT DENY WHAT THEY SEE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amr,<br />
  that would suggest that he is for the things that the left has NEVER been about.   </p>
<p>the left has ALWAYS lied since what they want to create is not something that the average person would accept IF THEY COULD PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER AND NOT DENY WHAT THEY SEE.</p>
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		<title>By: amr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/19/the-tuskeegee-experiment-and-truth/#comment-61467</link>
		<dc:creator>amr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Mr. Obama was a true leader and man of conscience he would have Goggled and found the information on AIDs, privately brought it to the attention of Pastor Wright and requested a renunciation of his sermon.  If the Pastor refused, he should have publicly left the church.  But a man who desires power and is assured he has a political future if he appears to accept the beliefs of his community, however wrong, would not show such courage.  So we find that Mr. Obama is no more than an educated, intelligent, good looking and gifted speaker who happens to be a mundane, stereotypical politician who wishes to be president of our great country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Mr. Obama was a true leader and man of conscience he would have Goggled and found the information on AIDs, privately brought it to the attention of Pastor Wright and requested a renunciation of his sermon.  If the Pastor refused, he should have publicly left the church.  But a man who desires power and is assured he has a political future if he appears to accept the beliefs of his community, however wrong, would not show such courage.  So we find that Mr. Obama is no more than an educated, intelligent, good looking and gifted speaker who happens to be a mundane, stereotypical politician who wishes to be president of our great country.</p>
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		<title>By: TalkinKamel</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/19/the-tuskeegee-experiment-and-truth/#comment-61466</link>
		<dc:creator>TalkinKamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the time the Tuskagee experiments began, the eugencis movement was popular, and widely accepted among the Scientific community.  

You can google &quot;eugenics&quot;, or read the book, &quot;War Against the Weak&quot;, but essentially eugenics holds that some races are superior---the best supposedly being the white, Anglo-Saxon Aryan one---while some: blacks, Eastern Europeans, Jews, are inferior, &quot;human trash,&quot; and that evolution is too important to be left up to---well, evolution.  Superior humans were supposed to take charge of inferior humans, to ensure that the unfit didn&#039;t outbreed the fit.  

Eugenics also took a dim a view of the handicapped and mentally disabled, as &quot;useless eaters.&quot;  A great deal of the cold-bloodedness and inhumanity in the science of the time, and its treatment of the weak and those of &quot;inferior&quot; races can, I think, be traced to this belief in eugenics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the time the Tuskagee experiments began, the eugencis movement was popular, and widely accepted among the Scientific community.  </p>
<p>You can google &#8220;eugenics&#8221;, or read the book, &#8220;War Against the Weak&#8221;, but essentially eugenics holds that some races are superior&#8212;the best supposedly being the white, Anglo-Saxon Aryan one&#8212;while some: blacks, Eastern Europeans, Jews, are inferior, &#8220;human trash,&#8221; and that evolution is too important to be left up to&#8212;well, evolution.  Superior humans were supposed to take charge of inferior humans, to ensure that the unfit didn&#8217;t outbreed the fit.  </p>
<p>Eugenics also took a dim a view of the handicapped and mentally disabled, as &#8220;useless eaters.&#8221;  A great deal of the cold-bloodedness and inhumanity in the science of the time, and its treatment of the weak and those of &#8220;inferior&#8221; races can, I think, be traced to this belief in eugenics.</p>
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		<title>By: Tatterdemalian</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/19/the-tuskeegee-experiment-and-truth/#comment-61464</link>
		<dc:creator>Tatterdemalian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What really hurts is the inability of people to put together the facts in front of them to create a picture.&quot;

That disability works against us in all kinds of ways. The rapid-fire &quot;facts&quot; many conspiracy theorists like to spew often turn out to be unable to fit together unless you add some uncredibly warped pieces, most of which can only really exist in the realm of imagination. The &quot;facts&quot; in &quot;Loose Change,&quot; for example, only fit directly observed evidence if you believe the passengers could be shuffled around at least four different planes in the air at the same time, or that the planes could somehow teleport or otherwise move faster than the speed of light.

Conspiracy theorists can pick at the nits and call them &quot;holes,&quot; but you can&#039;t build a timeline out of holes,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What really hurts is the inability of people to put together the facts in front of them to create a picture.&#8221;</p>
<p>That disability works against us in all kinds of ways. The rapid-fire &#8220;facts&#8221; many conspiracy theorists like to spew often turn out to be unable to fit together unless you add some uncredibly warped pieces, most of which can only really exist in the realm of imagination. The &#8220;facts&#8221; in &#8220;Loose Change,&#8221; for example, only fit directly observed evidence if you believe the passengers could be shuffled around at least four different planes in the air at the same time, or that the planes could somehow teleport or otherwise move faster than the speed of light.</p>
<p>Conspiracy theorists can pick at the nits and call them &#8220;holes,&#8221; but you can&#8217;t build a timeline out of holes,</p>
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		<title>By: benning</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/19/the-tuskeegee-experiment-and-truth/#comment-61455</link>
		<dc:creator>benning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Artfldgr: Wow! A lot of information! Nice!

njcommuter: Exactly. We&#039;re still worried about the Mad Scientist in his spooky lab, while real scientists are busy ferreting out knowledge to further humanity.

Why these haters of Whites and all things American continue on thier suicidal path is betond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr: Wow! A lot of information! Nice!</p>
<p>njcommuter: Exactly. We&#8217;re still worried about the Mad Scientist in his spooky lab, while real scientists are busy ferreting out knowledge to further humanity.</p>
<p>Why these haters of Whites and all things American continue on thier suicidal path is betond me.</p>
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		<title>By: njcommuter</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/19/the-tuskeegee-experiment-and-truth/#comment-61441</link>
		<dc:creator>njcommuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What really hurts is the inability of people to put together the facts in front of them to create a picture.  Anyone who follows things at all will realize just how far we&#039;ve had to push the boundaries of knowledge to understand just a little of how HIV does what it does.  That some secret bunch of government researchers had the knowledge and skill to design this monster is beyond implausible.

As Wolfgang Pauli was known to say &quot;This isn&#039;t right.  This isn&#039;t even wrong.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What really hurts is the inability of people to put together the facts in front of them to create a picture.  Anyone who follows things at all will realize just how far we&#8217;ve had to push the boundaries of knowledge to understand just a little of how HIV does what it does.  That some secret bunch of government researchers had the knowledge and skill to design this monster is beyond implausible.</p>
<p>As Wolfgang Pauli was known to say &#8220;This isn&#8217;t right.  This isn&#8217;t even wrong.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/19/the-tuskeegee-experiment-and-truth/#comment-61430</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder whether Wright ever commented on Mbeki&#039;s less than helpful role in getting AIDS treatment programs running in SA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder whether Wright ever commented on Mbeki&#8217;s less than helpful role in getting AIDS treatment programs running in SA.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolla Dalbo</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/19/the-tuskeegee-experiment-and-truth/#comment-61399</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolla Dalbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The” U.S. developed HIV as a racial weapon against blacks” idea was the most successful of several Soviet disinformation (dezinformatsia) campaigns during the Cold War.  There are congressional hearings that are available the delve into these disinformation campaigns (see, for instance, this article and the works cited http://www.espionageinfo.com/De-Eb/Disinformation.html).

This particular meme has been very successful in poisoning the world’s mind for decades and it doesn’t look like it will lose it’s potency any time soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The” U.S. developed HIV as a racial weapon against blacks” idea was the most successful of several Soviet disinformation (dezinformatsia) campaigns during the Cold War.  There are congressional hearings that are available the delve into these disinformation campaigns (see, for instance, this article and the works cited <a href="http://www.espionageinfo.com/De-Eb/Disinformation.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.espionageinfo.com/De-Eb/Disinformation.html</a>).</p>
<p>This particular meme has been very successful in poisoning the world’s mind for decades and it doesn’t look like it will lose it’s potency any time soon.</p>
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