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	<title>Comments on: Judging Obama&#8217;s judgment: it&#8217;s found wanting</title>
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		<title>By: Gringo</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/20/judging-obamas-judgment-its-found-wanting/#comment-61778</link>
		<dc:creator>Gringo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; I’m asking for you to understand nuance in Obama’s speech&lt;/i&gt; 
NUANCE: Obama made his grandmother&#039;s and Wright&#039;s statements equivalent. What NUANCE is involved there?

He called his grandmother a &quot;typical white person,&quot; as if the typical white person finds out that the father of the son-in-law does not want his family sullied by the blood of a white woman, as if the typical white person raises an interracial grandchild for 8 years. That isn&#039;t NUANCE, that is a SLEGEHAMMER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> I’m asking for you to understand nuance in Obama’s speech</i><br />
NUANCE: Obama made his grandmother&#8217;s and Wright&#8217;s statements equivalent. What NUANCE is involved there?</p>
<p>He called his grandmother a &#8220;typical white person,&#8221; as if the typical white person finds out that the father of the son-in-law does not want his family sullied by the blood of a white woman, as if the typical white person raises an interracial grandchild for 8 years. That isn&#8217;t NUANCE, that is a SLEGEHAMMER.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/20/judging-obamas-judgment-its-found-wanting/#comment-61684</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>neo-neocon
&lt;i&gt;you don’t understand that differences in degree are important.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m asking for you to understand nuance in Obama&#039;s speech and you turn the tables and say I don&#039;t understand degree? Love it. 
I still say many are playing politics and making political points by using this to essentially peg Obama as an ungrateful grandson - therefore a bad person - therefore a bad candidate, etc.
I DO think Obama has a problem due to Rev Wright - that we can agree on. But I don&#039;t believe he compared his grandmother to Wright. He is instead talking about the nature of racism and his personal feelings to try and understand it. There is a degree of difference there.
That said I see almost no way he could denounce Wright given their history. But one CAN denounce someone&#039;s viewpoint or politics and still like them. Would you agree?
I won&#039;t say you are wrong. It is your viewpoint. Maybe we are essentially both right. But perhaps that&#039;s too postmodern?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo-neocon<br />
<i>you don’t understand that differences in degree are important.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m asking for you to understand nuance in Obama&#8217;s speech and you turn the tables and say I don&#8217;t understand degree? Love it.<br />
I still say many are playing politics and making political points by using this to essentially peg Obama as an ungrateful grandson &#8211; therefore a bad person &#8211; therefore a bad candidate, etc.<br />
I DO think Obama has a problem due to Rev Wright &#8211; that we can agree on. But I don&#8217;t believe he compared his grandmother to Wright. He is instead talking about the nature of racism and his personal feelings to try and understand it. There is a degree of difference there.<br />
That said I see almost no way he could denounce Wright given their history. But one CAN denounce someone&#8217;s viewpoint or politics and still like them. Would you agree?<br />
I won&#8217;t say you are wrong. It is your viewpoint. Maybe we are essentially both right. But perhaps that&#8217;s too postmodern?</p>
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		<title>By: Occam's Beard</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/20/judging-obamas-judgment-its-found-wanting/#comment-61679</link>
		<dc:creator>Occam's Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A modest proposal: since both Obama and neo get satisfaction from influencing politics, I propose that they both eschew all political activity henceforth.

Fair enough? /g</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A modest proposal: since both Obama and neo get satisfaction from influencing politics, I propose that they both eschew all political activity henceforth.</p>
<p>Fair enough? /g</p>
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		<title>By: Vince P</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/20/judging-obamas-judgment-its-found-wanting/#comment-61669</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great video about Obama and his Grammy (the white racist one)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XOFYJlO_P0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great video about Obama and his Grammy (the white racist one)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XOFYJlO_P0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XOFYJlO_P0</a></p>
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		<title>By: neo-neocon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/20/judging-obamas-judgment-its-found-wanting/#comment-61659</link>
		<dc:creator>neo-neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt: Your problem---and this is true for almost all your arguments here---is that you don&#039;t understand that differences in degree are important.  For example, most human actions have some sort of self-interest or gain involved.  So that yes, of course, I get some sort of gain and satisfaction from writing this blog.  And yes, I suppose in some tiny way (and believe me, it&#039;s pretty infinitesimal at this point) I do get to influence politics.  But to compare any political gain or influence I get from this blog to the gain or influence Obama seeks from his quest for the Presidency is utterly absurd.  

And yes, of course, Obama loves both people despite their imperfections.  But that is hardly relevant to the point I was making, which is about the relative degree of those imperfections.  There is no comparision whatsoever.  It&#039;s like comparing gangrene to a paper cut.  And Obama owes more loyalty to his grandmother than he does to Wright, so his criticism of her is worse in that sense as well.


I can&#039;t make it any clearer than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt: Your problem&#8212;and this is true for almost all your arguments here&#8212;is that you don&#8217;t understand that differences in degree are important.  For example, most human actions have some sort of self-interest or gain involved.  So that yes, of course, I get some sort of gain and satisfaction from writing this blog.  And yes, I suppose in some tiny way (and believe me, it&#8217;s pretty infinitesimal at this point) I do get to influence politics.  But to compare any political gain or influence I get from this blog to the gain or influence Obama seeks from his quest for the Presidency is utterly absurd.  </p>
<p>And yes, of course, Obama loves both people despite their imperfections.  But that is hardly relevant to the point I was making, which is about the relative degree of those imperfections.  There is no comparision whatsoever.  It&#8217;s like comparing gangrene to a paper cut.  And Obama owes more loyalty to his grandmother than he does to Wright, so his criticism of her is worse in that sense as well.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t make it any clearer than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/20/judging-obamas-judgment-its-found-wanting/#comment-61649</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>neo-neocon

Yes, there is gain for you. You have a political blog. Why else would you post opinions about a candidate you don&#039;t want to win unless you were hoping to be heard and thus make a difference? Nothing wrong with that. But that&#039;s working within the system and thereby gaining something in return - like a Republican victory. Or gratification as a political analyst. You are not in an echo chamber or just posting as you would a private diary. If so what&#039;s the point? I have an art blog. Why? Because I want to introduce art, or music or videos that I like to people.

&lt;i&gt;And so I don’t quite see the equivalence&lt;/i&gt;
You mean making a point about Rev Wright and his grandmother? If so, I clearly see the equivalence. Both of these people are important to him. That&#039;s the point. He loves them &lt;i&gt;despite&lt;/i&gt; their imperfections.

&lt;i&gt;Is all criticism alike to you?&lt;/i&gt;
Not sure what you mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo-neocon</p>
<p>Yes, there is gain for you. You have a political blog. Why else would you post opinions about a candidate you don&#8217;t want to win unless you were hoping to be heard and thus make a difference? Nothing wrong with that. But that&#8217;s working within the system and thereby gaining something in return &#8211; like a Republican victory. Or gratification as a political analyst. You are not in an echo chamber or just posting as you would a private diary. If so what&#8217;s the point? I have an art blog. Why? Because I want to introduce art, or music or videos that I like to people.</p>
<p><i>And so I don’t quite see the equivalence</i><br />
You mean making a point about Rev Wright and his grandmother? If so, I clearly see the equivalence. Both of these people are important to him. That&#8217;s the point. He loves them <i>despite</i> their imperfections.</p>
<p><i>Is all criticism alike to you?</i><br />
Not sure what you mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Bugs</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/20/judging-obamas-judgment-its-found-wanting/#comment-61648</link>
		<dc:creator>Bugs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the italics. My closing tag was collateral damage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the italics. My closing tag was collateral damage.</p>
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		<title>By: Bugs</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/20/judging-obamas-judgment-its-found-wanting/#comment-61647</link>
		<dc:creator>Bugs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giving Obama (and Matt) the benefit of the doubt - do you think it&#039;s even possible for &lt;i&gt;anyone&lt;/i&gt; to give &lt;i&gt;any sort of speech about race in this country and not say something stupid?

If you or any of us could write the definitive uplifting speech about race in America, how would it go?&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giving Obama (and Matt) the benefit of the doubt &#8211; do you think it&#8217;s even possible for <i>anyone</i> to give <i>any sort of speech about race in this country and not say something stupid?</p>
<p>If you or any of us could write the definitive uplifting speech about race in America, how would it go?</i></p>
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		<title>By: SteveH</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/20/judging-obamas-judgment-its-found-wanting/#comment-61641</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have white people accused of &quot;typically&quot;being suspicious and judgemental of blacks.

 You have people like Rev Wright giving whites perfectly plausible reasons for being suspicious.

 Could we possibly be seeing evidence that blacks are secretly terrified of not being propped up by this cycle of pseudo oppression?

 I think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have white people accused of &#8220;typically&#8221;being suspicious and judgemental of blacks.</p>
<p> You have people like Rev Wright giving whites perfectly plausible reasons for being suspicious.</p>
<p> Could we possibly be seeing evidence that blacks are secretly terrified of not being propped up by this cycle of pseudo oppression?</p>
<p> I think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince P</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/20/judging-obamas-judgment-its-found-wanting/#comment-61640</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This You Tube video compiles some speeches that Obama made and shows them to not be original.  Obama&#039;s whole appeal is predicated on the notion that he is being authentic and sincere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y7OFLl3asg

Watch this video and tell me that this guy isn&#039;t a manipulator?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This You Tube video compiles some speeches that Obama made and shows them to not be original.  Obama&#8217;s whole appeal is predicated on the notion that he is being authentic and sincere.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y7OFLl3asg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y7OFLl3asg</a></p>
<p>Watch this video and tell me that this guy isn&#8217;t a manipulator?</p>
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