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	<title>Comments on: Human plasticity: left/right front/back brain</title>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63350</link>
		<author>Artfldgr</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I come from an arts and sciences base. You have seen my work in vogue and bundt the german mag (photography)... though most have not seen my more personal work.  I work also as a software engineer... but my training was originally physics at bronx science.  I played concert clarinet and played at lincoln center and carnegie hall (my cousin had his own at lincon center at another hall as he graduated from juliard). 

i am one of the last of the real rennaisance men.   

spanning pure arts to heavy mathematics. 

[my son is on mathermatics scholarship. dad was an artist who suddenly became an engineer in a year. grandmom was a research chemist before women supposedly were allowed. and the list goes on]

i am also handicapped, being totally deaf in one ear...  so i cant even get to do a fMRI study since the brain patterns would be abnormal due to the deaf side. 

when i was a kid they studied me like a lab rat. cameras, and tests...  they were too busy with confirming ideology to actually learn anything, but they did get their degrees because i was their thesis. 

what a long strange trip its been....


left brain, right brain, heck, i am a person that says why use half a brain when you have a whole one ready?  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I come from an arts and sciences base. You have seen my work in vogue and bundt the german mag (photography)&#8230; though most have not seen my more personal work.  I work also as a software engineer&#8230; but my training was originally physics at bronx science.  I played concert clarinet and played at lincoln center and carnegie hall (my cousin had his own at lincon center at another hall as he graduated from juliard). </p>
<p>i am one of the last of the real rennaisance men.   </p>
<p>spanning pure arts to heavy mathematics. </p>
<p>[my son is on mathermatics scholarship. dad was an artist who suddenly became an engineer in a year. grandmom was a research chemist before women supposedly were allowed. and the list goes on]</p>
<p>i am also handicapped, being totally deaf in one ear&#8230;  so i cant even get to do a fMRI study since the brain patterns would be abnormal due to the deaf side. </p>
<p>when i was a kid they studied me like a lab rat. cameras, and tests&#8230;  they were too busy with confirming ideology to actually learn anything, but they did get their degrees because i was their thesis. </p>
<p>what a long strange trip its been&#8230;.</p>
<p>left brain, right brain, heck, i am a person that says why use half a brain when you have a whole one ready?  <img src='http://neoneocon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63352</link>
		<author>John</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63352</guid>
					<description>That spinning dancer is a trip.  At first I saw it counter-clockwise.   Then I circled my right index finger clockwise around my left until I was able to picture it clockwise.  Now I can't get it to go back :o  I'm going to be right brained for the rest of the day.  Thanks a lot :P

Not that there's anything wrong with that....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That spinning dancer is a trip.  At first I saw it counter-clockwise.   Then I circled my right index finger clockwise around my left until I was able to picture it clockwise.  Now I can&#8217;t get it to go back <img src='http://neoneocon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;m going to be right brained for the rest of the day.  Thanks a lot <img src='http://neoneocon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Not that there&#8217;s anything wrong with that&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: John Russell</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63353</link>
		<author>John Russell</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63353</guid>
					<description>Dear Neo,

I had a head injury some years back.  Sub- and epi- dural hematomas on/in the frontal, parietal, and temporal lobes on the right side.  About 30% morbidity overall.  I really should have been what they called a "gork" but I recovered a lot, including some things I didn't have before.  But the short term memory thing was a trial, to put it mildly.  One thing that was weird was that my brain went in large part from random access to sequential access.  I could "know" something but not knew that I knew it.  Then someone would mention the thing and the entire memory would come back.

There is an amazing movie called "Memento" that is chillingly close to what I experienced at first, though I learned to handle it better and a lot of what I "lost" showed up later in other ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Neo,</p>
<p>I had a head injury some years back.  Sub- and epi- dural hematomas on/in the frontal, parietal, and temporal lobes on the right side.  About 30% morbidity overall.  I really should have been what they called a &#8220;gork&#8221; but I recovered a lot, including some things I didn&#8217;t have before.  But the short term memory thing was a trial, to put it mildly.  One thing that was weird was that my brain went in large part from random access to sequential access.  I could &#8220;know&#8221; something but not knew that I knew it.  Then someone would mention the thing and the entire memory would come back.</p>
<p>There is an amazing movie called &#8220;Memento&#8221; that is chillingly close to what I experienced at first, though I learned to handle it better and a lot of what I &#8220;lost&#8221; showed up later in other ways.</p>
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		<title>By: John Russell</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63354</link>
		<author>John Russell</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63354</guid>
					<description>Dear Neo,

Whenever I visit your blog I get hungry.  You should be getting a stipend from the apple growers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Neo,</p>
<p>Whenever I visit your blog I get hungry.  You should be getting a stipend from the apple growers.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63355</link>
		<author>Thomas</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63355</guid>
					<description>Artfldgr Says: 

"when i was a kid they studied me like a lab rat. cameras, and tests… they were too busy with confirming ideology to actually learn anything"

Yeah, you have to really watch all these left right brain studies.. If it's not ideology it can simply be cultural assumptions / biases (re: about what constitutes personality trait dichotomies… and/or if they exist… for one) leaking in. Absolutely everything needs to be demonstrated… or it’s just random opinion / bunk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;when i was a kid they studied me like a lab rat. cameras, and tests… they were too busy with confirming ideology to actually learn anything&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, you have to really watch all these left right brain studies.. If it&#8217;s not ideology it can simply be cultural assumptions / biases (re: about what constitutes personality trait dichotomies… and/or if they exist… for one) leaking in. Absolutely everything needs to be demonstrated… or it’s just random opinion / bunk.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaldag</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63356</link>
		<author>Shaldag</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63356</guid>
					<description>My wife claims that I think with the "other" brain all the time anyway, and that brain is neither left or right.</description>
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		<title>By: OldManRick</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63360</link>
		<author>OldManRick</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63360</guid>
					<description>I am very left brained (math major, engineer, logical, planner) but I see the spinning dancer as moving clockwise.  I also, for a while, could not reverse it no matter how hard I tried.  Being very left brained,  I analyzed why I got the right brained answer.

The problem with the spinning dancer is that, as I first saw it, both the right arm and right leg are raised as if they had been "thrown" to induce the spinning motion.  The right shoulder is leaning slightly back as if it had also been twisted.  

But, since there are no visual clues as to the true front and back of the picture, the arm may actually be the left arm.  Why did I assume the right arm?  The only reason is that would be the arm I would use to create a spinning (or throwing) motion.  (I'm not a very good dancer but I played softball, basketball, and racket ball and always lead with my right arm).  

Neo- Tilt your head to the left, image leading with your left arm, and see if you can see her rotating counter clockwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very left brained (math major, engineer, logical, planner) but I see the spinning dancer as moving clockwise.  I also, for a while, could not reverse it no matter how hard I tried.  Being very left brained,  I analyzed why I got the right brained answer.</p>
<p>The problem with the spinning dancer is that, as I first saw it, both the right arm and right leg are raised as if they had been &#8220;thrown&#8221; to induce the spinning motion.  The right shoulder is leaning slightly back as if it had also been twisted.  </p>
<p>But, since there are no visual clues as to the true front and back of the picture, the arm may actually be the left arm.  Why did I assume the right arm?  The only reason is that would be the arm I would use to create a spinning (or throwing) motion.  (I&#8217;m not a very good dancer but I played softball, basketball, and racket ball and always lead with my right arm).  </p>
<p>Neo- Tilt your head to the left, image leading with your left arm, and see if you can see her rotating counter clockwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Hardin</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63361</link>
		<author>Ron Hardin</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 23:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63361</guid>
					<description>Check out Blanchot on &lt;a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=8GHyEqt70yAC&#38;pg=RA1-PA176&#38;lpg=RA1-PA176&#38;dq=%22rectitude+assured+him%22&#38;source=web&#38;ots=5adAbSdfBo&#38;sig=pwawwwpXps9Zqms6GU7qsbgdK80&#38;hl=en" rel="nofollow"&gt;Holderlin's madness&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out Blanchot on <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=8GHyEqt70yAC&amp;pg=RA1-PA176&amp;lpg=RA1-PA176&amp;dq=%22rectitude+assured+him%22&amp;source=web&amp;ots=5adAbSdfBo&amp;sig=pwawwwpXps9Zqms6GU7qsbgdK80&amp;hl=en" rel="nofollow">Holderlin&#8217;s madness</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Vanderleun</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63362</link>
		<author>Vanderleun</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 23:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>That  test of the turning dancer is fine, but I'm waiting for the test of the Turing dancer.</description>
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		<title>By: Mrs Whatsit</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63363</link>
		<author>Mrs Whatsit</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 23:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63363</guid>
					<description>Clockwise. Clockwise clockwise. I was going to say I couldn't see it any other way, but finally, by fixing on her ponytail only, I got her to go counterclockwise for just a few revolutions. Then she snapped back clockwise again and I can't re-shift her.  

I have my doubts about this test because my husband, too, sees her turning clockwise.  Now, I might well be right-brained, or more likely, I think, balanced like Neo (I am both a lawyer and an artist/creative writer) but my husband is left-brained indeed. Might it not reflect one's dominant eye as much as one's dominant brain-half?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clockwise. Clockwise clockwise. I was going to say I couldn&#8217;t see it any other way, but finally, by fixing on her ponytail only, I got her to go counterclockwise for just a few revolutions. Then she snapped back clockwise again and I can&#8217;t re-shift her.  </p>
<p>I have my doubts about this test because my husband, too, sees her turning clockwise.  Now, I might well be right-brained, or more likely, I think, balanced like Neo (I am both a lawyer and an artist/creative writer) but my husband is left-brained indeed. Might it not reflect one&#8217;s dominant eye as much as one&#8217;s dominant brain-half?</p>
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		<title>By: Grizzly Recare</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63375</link>
		<author>Grizzly Recare</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 01:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63375</guid>
					<description>What's it mean if I can see the dancer spin in either direction, on command.  All I have to do is look at something else for a moment then turn my focus back to the dancer.  She's then dancing the other direction.

BTW:  I'm an Electrical Engineer so I've got a pretty mathematical background.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s it mean if I can see the dancer spin in either direction, on command.  All I have to do is look at something else for a moment then turn my focus back to the dancer.  She&#8217;s then dancing the other direction.</p>
<p>BTW:  I&#8217;m an Electrical Engineer so I&#8217;ve got a pretty mathematical background.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Peden</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63376</link>
		<author>J. Peden</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 02:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63376</guid>
					<description>I don't quite believe all the "left/right brain" stuff, probably because I'm ambidexterous. But here's an odd occurrence:

I wrote for many years lefthanded, but gradually lost all ability to do so - eventually being able to produce only literal "chickenscratch".  So I shifted to writing righthanded and can do it quite adequately, except for the lack of needing to=practice. 

But no other function whasoever of my left hand was involved in this dysfunction, thankfully. For a long time, however, when I was trying to write righthanded, my left hand would kind of clench or move, which I could eventually stop by concentrating-relaxing. Mind over Matter, no doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t quite believe all the &#8220;left/right brain&#8221; stuff, probably because I&#8217;m ambidexterous. But here&#8217;s an odd occurrence:</p>
<p>I wrote for many years lefthanded, but gradually lost all ability to do so - eventually being able to produce only literal &#8220;chickenscratch&#8221;.  So I shifted to writing righthanded and can do it quite adequately, except for the lack of needing to=practice. </p>
<p>But no other function whasoever of my left hand was involved in this dysfunction, thankfully. For a long time, however, when I was trying to write righthanded, my left hand would kind of clench or move, which I could eventually stop by concentrating-relaxing. Mind over Matter, no doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveH</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63377</link>
		<author>SteveH</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 02:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63377</guid>
					<description>Can you draw a horse? 

 Think about it. All of us instinctively know a correct or incorrect horse rendering when we see it. 

 I'm suggesting that we all knowing how NOT to draw a horse, reveals us all knowing exactly how to draw a horse. Except for our not trusting we have that information at the tip of our synapses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you draw a horse? </p>
<p> Think about it. All of us instinctively know a correct or incorrect horse rendering when we see it. </p>
<p> I&#8217;m suggesting that we all knowing how NOT to draw a horse, reveals us all knowing exactly how to draw a horse. Except for our not trusting we have that information at the tip of our synapses.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Peden</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63379</link>
		<author>J. Peden</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 02:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63379</guid>
					<description>I can get the dancer to go clockwise by getting her into the field of my left peripheral vision - while looking straight ahead, maybe 40 degrees to the right of the screen - then looking straight back at her.  She goes counter clockwise when I do the analogous thing to the opposite side. Is that cheating?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can get the dancer to go clockwise by getting her into the field of my left peripheral vision - while looking straight ahead, maybe 40 degrees to the right of the screen - then looking straight back at her.  She goes counter clockwise when I do the analogous thing to the opposite side. Is that cheating?</p>
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		<title>By: J. Peden</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63380</link>
		<author>J. Peden</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 02:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63380</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m suggesting that we all knowing how NOT to draw a horse, reveals us all knowing exactly how to draw a horse.&lt;/i&gt;

Wonderful suggestion,  SteveH.  But if I ever try to draw a nude woman, somehow I just know I'm going to need a real live model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m suggesting that we all knowing how NOT to draw a horse, reveals us all knowing exactly how to draw a horse.</i></p>
<p>Wonderful suggestion,  SteveH.  But if I ever try to draw a nude woman, somehow I just know I&#8217;m going to need a real live model.</p>
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		<title>By: LTEC</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63381</link>
		<author>LTEC</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63381</guid>
					<description>In his latest book "Musicophilia", Oliver Sacks has a chapter about the man you wrote of earlier, Clive Wearing.   Also, Deborah Wearing has written a book about him &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Forever-Today-Story-Memory-Never-Ending/dp/0552771694/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&#38;s=books&#38;qid=1207710423&#38;sr=1-1" title="here" rel="nofollow"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his latest book &#8220;Musicophilia&#8221;, Oliver Sacks has a chapter about the man you wrote of earlier, Clive Wearing.   Also, Deborah Wearing has written a book about him <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Forever-Today-Story-Memory-Never-Ending/dp/0552771694/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1207710423&amp;sr=1-1" title="here" rel="nofollow">.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Choey</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63382</link>
		<author>Choey</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63382</guid>
					<description>OK,  I can make it go either direction at will.  Does that mean I'm special?  Will I be world dictator some day???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK,  I can make it go either direction at will.  Does that mean I&#8217;m special?  Will I be world dictator some day???</p>
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		<title>By: douglas</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63397</link>
		<author>douglas</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 07:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Reading how having a disease which damages the brain progressively can make one quite artistically talented makes me grateful that I am only somewhat talented in that regard.  The balance between the artistic and the technical is why I went into architecture, I think.

I can indeed see the dancer spinning either way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading how having a disease which damages the brain progressively can make one quite artistically talented makes me grateful that I am only somewhat talented in that regard.  The balance between the artistic and the technical is why I went into architecture, I think.</p>
<p>I can indeed see the dancer spinning either way.</p>
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		<title>By: goesh</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63424</link>
		<author>goesh</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I feel your pain</description>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63432</link>
		<author>Dennis</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63432</guid>
					<description>I see it more clockwise than counter-clockwise.  I am not sure things like this are only slightly indicative of one's abilities.  I believe that most of us use both sides of our brains in varying degrees.  That is what makes us who we are.
I would be more interested in how our active vice our subconscious mind interact.  I know that if I walk away from a problem for a couple of hours that when I return the problem just seems to solve itself for me.  
When most of my job was problem solving I used to try and visualize all of the ramifications and then take a walk or go to lunch.  In variably I would have a better grasp of things after returning.  I got to the point that I counted upon this in almost everything.
Even musically it is easier to create when I just let it happen.  To analyze is to paralyze in this endeavor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see it more clockwise than counter-clockwise.  I am not sure things like this are only slightly indicative of one&#8217;s abilities.  I believe that most of us use both sides of our brains in varying degrees.  That is what makes us who we are.<br />
I would be more interested in how our active vice our subconscious mind interact.  I know that if I walk away from a problem for a couple of hours that when I return the problem just seems to solve itself for me.<br />
When most of my job was problem solving I used to try and visualize all of the ramifications and then take a walk or go to lunch.  In variably I would have a better grasp of things after returning.  I got to the point that I counted upon this in almost everything.<br />
Even musically it is easier to create when I just let it happen.  To analyze is to paralyze in this endeavor.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63433</link>
		<author>Ymarsakar</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63433</guid>
					<description>The dancer's weight and posture seems to be in such a way that she has to be moving clockwise.

I can see her stepping forward, but not to her left Her right foot doesn't seem like it is angled correctly for a person taking a step to the left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dancer&#8217;s weight and posture seems to be in such a way that she has to be moving clockwise.</p>
<p>I can see her stepping forward, but not to her left Her right foot doesn&#8217;t seem like it is angled correctly for a person taking a step to the left.</p>
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		<title>By: njcommuter</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63434</link>
		<author>njcommuter</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63434</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;Can you draw a horse?

Think about it. All of us instinctively know a correct or incorrect horse rendering when we see it.

I’m suggesting that we all knowing how NOT to draw a horse, reveals us all knowing exactly how to draw a horse. Except for our not trusting we have that information at the tip of our synapses.&lt;/i&gt;

One of the secrets of learning to draw is learning to see.  If we try to create a visual image from the integrated knowledge we have of a horse, we get nonsense.  It's only when we learn how to ignore most of what we know and attend to exactly what our eyes are telling us and no more that we can create an image that will reproduce the experience to our eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Can you draw a horse?</p>
<p>Think about it. All of us instinctively know a correct or incorrect horse rendering when we see it.</p>
<p>I’m suggesting that we all knowing how NOT to draw a horse, reveals us all knowing exactly how to draw a horse. Except for our not trusting we have that information at the tip of our synapses.</i></p>
<p>One of the secrets of learning to draw is learning to see.  If we try to create a visual image from the integrated knowledge we have of a horse, we get nonsense.  It&#8217;s only when we learn how to ignore most of what we know and attend to exactly what our eyes are telling us and no more that we can create an image that will reproduce the experience to our eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Bugs</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63436</link>
		<author>Bugs</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63436</guid>
					<description>I visualized the dancer going both ways but it was difficult to switch. Both sides of my brain thought she looked pretty hot so they also visualized a pole and some stage lighting.</description>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63437</link>
		<author>Thomas</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63437</guid>
					<description>Mine was clockwise until I focused on reading the text to left. Then it switches.</description>
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		<title>By: Sergey</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63442</link>
		<author>Sergey</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63442</guid>
					<description>Lateralization in humans is partially genetical, but when mothers during pregnancy are subjected to stress, they produced unusually high percentage of left-handed babies. This is confirmed by statistics of pre-war generation compared to during war and after-war generations.
There is one interesting thing about left-handed children coerced to switch to right-handed mode: they do not acquire clerkly hand. This motoric automatism can be developed only with good coordination of motoric centers with perceptual ones, without retranslation signals between brain hemispheres. But when this automatism is already acqired, it manifest itself in both hands, and even in legs! (You can write your name holding pen it toes, and it will resemble your handwriting.)
I tested this hypothesis on my wife, who, being inherently left-handed, was relearned to write by right hand. Her handwriting was awfull. In university I barely could decipher her lecture notes. I adviced her try to write something by left hand. She wrote several pages this way, and we witnessed a miracle: it took only three hours to develop a nice handwriting, which preserved in right hand as well!
I understand, of course, that right/left handedness has nothing to do with left/right brain dominance in cognitive skills, that develop much later and independently from motoric skills dominance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lateralization in humans is partially genetical, but when mothers during pregnancy are subjected to stress, they produced unusually high percentage of left-handed babies. This is confirmed by statistics of pre-war generation compared to during war and after-war generations.<br />
There is one interesting thing about left-handed children coerced to switch to right-handed mode: they do not acquire clerkly hand. This motoric automatism can be developed only with good coordination of motoric centers with perceptual ones, without retranslation signals between brain hemispheres. But when this automatism is already acqired, it manifest itself in both hands, and even in legs! (You can write your name holding pen it toes, and it will resemble your handwriting.)<br />
I tested this hypothesis on my wife, who, being inherently left-handed, was relearned to write by right hand. Her handwriting was awfull. In university I barely could decipher her lecture notes. I adviced her try to write something by left hand. She wrote several pages this way, and we witnessed a miracle: it took only three hours to develop a nice handwriting, which preserved in right hand as well!<br />
I understand, of course, that right/left handedness has nothing to do with left/right brain dominance in cognitive skills, that develop much later and independently from motoric skills dominance.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Peden</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63448</link>
		<author>J. Peden</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63448</guid>
					<description>She also stops at what seem to be random  times, but I think it's all just a &lt;i&gt;sinister&lt;/i&gt; plot to make us think we're stupid - designed by by a Lefty, no doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She also stops at what seem to be random  times, but I think it&#8217;s all just a <i>sinister</i> plot to make us think we&#8217;re stupid - designed by by a Lefty, no doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: Sergey</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63451</link>
		<author>Sergey</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63451</guid>
					<description>I had strange experience with this dancer test: she moved both ways, roughly equal time each, but I could not make a switch.
Matematicians are not all left-brained. My mathematical teacher at school made a joke: to study mathematics, you must work with all four hemispheres, two upper and two lower.
Apart from jokes, there are two styles in mathematical thinking: algebraic (left-brained, symbols manipulation) and geometrical, heavily using visual-spatial skills (that is, right-brained). Many problem allow both representations. Mine approach is purely geometrical, with complex manipulation by visual imaginery (projections, vector spaces, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had strange experience with this dancer test: she moved both ways, roughly equal time each, but I could not make a switch.<br />
Matematicians are not all left-brained. My mathematical teacher at school made a joke: to study mathematics, you must work with all four hemispheres, two upper and two lower.<br />
Apart from jokes, there are two styles in mathematical thinking: algebraic (left-brained, symbols manipulation) and geometrical, heavily using visual-spatial skills (that is, right-brained). Many problem allow both representations. Mine approach is purely geometrical, with complex manipulation by visual imaginery (projections, vector spaces, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63453</link>
		<author>Artfldgr</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63453</guid>
					<description>Thomas,

sorry.. i was referring to the hell that they put and ahve put the gifted through.  from social experimentation with ulterior motives. like putting us in classes with the most violent kids, thinking that our brains will rub off and we will make geniuses out of people who think torturing is a fun way to spend a day.   or how adults would waltz into my life, pretending to be the best friends, but they were researchers with their agendas, so they made friends, got what they wanted, then left the kid by himself a freak. 

here is another older person who was gifted, and unlike me, a lot more bitter. 

http://celiagreen.blogspot.com/2008/01/more-research-on-gifted-children.html

&lt;i&gt;There is every reason to think that many of those involved in education have ideological axes to grind; and even if they did not, they are in a position of so much power to influence what goes on in the lives of their victims, that it could hardly be expected that their subconscious motives would not have considerable influence on the outcome. Their motives are not necessarily purely ideological; they may simply prefer or dislike one type of person rather than another. In particular, jealousy of exceptional ability, exceeding their own, is likely to be a very influential force in the situation.

&lt;/i&gt;


the stories i could tell..   meanwhile, they loved to use such kitsche as left and right brained, and other catches, to label us and sort us, then do things to us. 

i remember a freind who broke down before he could be tested... never made it anywhere.. the games were too much on top of academic acheivment they didnt want him to have, so they could cook the books. 

right now in colorado they will do somethig similar. now poor = gifted... so if a kid is poor and a minority he or she gets in the gifted program.  (cause we are all the same. like those sociopaths and psychopaths that destroyed my ability to breath normally). 

its nice. under the guise of social whatever, the teachers will spend all their time working on kids that cant do the work, and so what happens to all the smart kids who are predominantly jewish, chinese, or caucasian? 

can you spell ted kazynski? 

[have you ever read his tract? its the kind of thing that movemetns are founded on - and would have been if teddy was more the political animal than the fix it yourself kind of guy]

to quote 
"&lt;i&gt;Criticising the sacred assumptions of the modern ideology and breaking the taboo about complaining of the damage done to your life by properly appointed agents of the collective seems to be regarded as even more reprehensible than pornography.
&lt;/i&gt;"



so i was referring to a personal gripe in how the collectivist system has managed to insure that the best and brightest actually dont go anywhere. 

care to see what the roles are for engineering, and sciences?  

left brain right brain is populist crapola... 

its like nature nurture...  its not some opposing proportions on a scale. its 100% of both.  duh. 

read about &lt;b&gt;tall poppy syndrome&lt;/b&gt;, and how we hate success, and deem that those who are, are cheaters...  ergo, paris hilton is a giant, emmy noether is unknown, and sanger a eugenicist whose eugenics mag hitler was a fan of, is a hero. 

ack! 

another quote

&lt;b&gt;The only form of success to which people have little resistance is that of socially appointed oppressors of humanity, in which case the successful person may enjoy some status and power over others so long as he retains his position, but is unlikely to become rich enough to enjoy any autonomy. He is not going to be free to do anything he wants in any way he could get anything out of, and will always be expected to get his kicks out of frustrating and oppressing other people&lt;/b&gt;


for some reason, this post churned up the past. 

why, i dont know.  



&lt;i&gt;The power of society depends on the power of the lie. The power of the lie is very great.

The power of the individual depends on the right of possession and the sanctity of facts.

Neither of these is recognised by society. It is only in a capitalist society that there is a recognition of the individual’s right to the facts. He has a right to the facts about his possessions. Consequently facts are themselves regarded as possessing a certain value. In a socialist society no one has any right to the facts. There is no point in facts at all. The power of the state, which is the sole good, is best safeguarded by there being no facts.

People are subjective, but some people are more subjective than others and those who believe in society are the most subjective of all. This is because they have abandoned to society their right to assess facts for themselves in return for the power that society will give them over other men. The high priests of society are social workers, doctors and psychiatrists. Their function is to convince others that they are being subjective when they criticise society.

(from the forthcoming book The Corpse and the Kingdom)

&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas,</p>
<p>sorry.. i was referring to the hell that they put and ahve put the gifted through.  from social experimentation with ulterior motives. like putting us in classes with the most violent kids, thinking that our brains will rub off and we will make geniuses out of people who think torturing is a fun way to spend a day.   or how adults would waltz into my life, pretending to be the best friends, but they were researchers with their agendas, so they made friends, got what they wanted, then left the kid by himself a freak. </p>
<p>here is another older person who was gifted, and unlike me, a lot more bitter. </p>
<p><a href="http://celiagreen.blogspot.com/2008/01/more-research-on-gifted-children.html" rel="nofollow">http://celiagreen.blogspot.com/2008/01/more-research-on-gifted-children.html</a></p>
<p><i>There is every reason to think that many of those involved in education have ideological axes to grind; and even if they did not, they are in a position of so much power to influence what goes on in the lives of their victims, that it could hardly be expected that their subconscious motives would not have considerable influence on the outcome. Their motives are not necessarily purely ideological; they may simply prefer or dislike one type of person rather than another. In particular, jealousy of exceptional ability, exceeding their own, is likely to be a very influential force in the situation.</p>
<p></i></p>
<p>the stories i could tell..   meanwhile, they loved to use such kitsche as left and right brained, and other catches, to label us and sort us, then do things to us. </p>
<p>i remember a freind who broke down before he could be tested&#8230; never made it anywhere.. the games were too much on top of academic acheivment they didnt want him to have, so they could cook the books. </p>
<p>right now in colorado they will do somethig similar. now poor = gifted&#8230; so if a kid is poor and a minority he or she gets in the gifted program.  (cause we are all the same. like those sociopaths and psychopaths that destroyed my ability to breath normally). </p>
<p>its nice. under the guise of social whatever, the teachers will spend all their time working on kids that cant do the work, and so what happens to all the smart kids who are predominantly jewish, chinese, or caucasian? </p>
<p>can you spell ted kazynski? </p>
<p>[have you ever read his tract? its the kind of thing that movemetns are founded on - and would have been if teddy was more the political animal than the fix it yourself kind of guy]</p>
<p>to quote<br />
&#8220;<i>Criticising the sacred assumptions of the modern ideology and breaking the taboo about complaining of the damage done to your life by properly appointed agents of the collective seems to be regarded as even more reprehensible than pornography.<br />
</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>so i was referring to a personal gripe in how the collectivist system has managed to insure that the best and brightest actually dont go anywhere. </p>
<p>care to see what the roles are for engineering, and sciences?  </p>
<p>left brain right brain is populist crapola&#8230; </p>
<p>its like nature nurture&#8230;  its not some opposing proportions on a scale. its 100% of both.  duh. </p>
<p>read about <b>tall poppy syndrome</b>, and how we hate success, and deem that those who are, are cheaters&#8230;  ergo, paris hilton is a giant, emmy noether is unknown, and sanger a eugenicist whose eugenics mag hitler was a fan of, is a hero. </p>
<p>ack! </p>
<p>another quote</p>
<p><b>The only form of success to which people have little resistance is that of socially appointed oppressors of humanity, in which case the successful person may enjoy some status and power over others so long as he retains his position, but is unlikely to become rich enough to enjoy any autonomy. He is not going to be free to do anything he wants in any way he could get anything out of, and will always be expected to get his kicks out of frustrating and oppressing other people</b></p>
<p>for some reason, this post churned up the past. </p>
<p>why, i dont know.  </p>
<p><i>The power of society depends on the power of the lie. The power of the lie is very great.</p>
<p>The power of the individual depends on the right of possession and the sanctity of facts.</p>
<p>Neither of these is recognised by society. It is only in a capitalist society that there is a recognition of the individual’s right to the facts. He has a right to the facts about his possessions. Consequently facts are themselves regarded as possessing a certain value. In a socialist society no one has any right to the facts. There is no point in facts at all. The power of the state, which is the sole good, is best safeguarded by there being no facts.</p>
<p>People are subjective, but some people are more subjective than others and those who believe in society are the most subjective of all. This is because they have abandoned to society their right to assess facts for themselves in return for the power that society will give them over other men. The high priests of society are social workers, doctors and psychiatrists. Their function is to convince others that they are being subjective when they criticise society.</p>
<p>(from the forthcoming book The Corpse and the Kingdom)</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63542</link>
		<author>CJ</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63542</guid>
					<description>I am baffled by the "dancer". What is "clockwise" supposed to mean? Is it clockwise when looking down at her from above? Or when looking up from the floor? Her weight placement is of course impossible, since only her heel ever touches the floor, and that only for a moment at the end of each revolution. Why doesn't she spin with the weight on the ball of her foot? Would that wreck the effect? Perhaps I am suffering some sort of brain dysfunction, because the whole thing makes no sense to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am baffled by the &#8220;dancer&#8221;. What is &#8220;clockwise&#8221; supposed to mean? Is it clockwise when looking down at her from above? Or when looking up from the floor? Her weight placement is of course impossible, since only her heel ever touches the floor, and that only for a moment at the end of each revolution. Why doesn&#8217;t she spin with the weight on the ball of her foot? Would that wreck the effect? Perhaps I am suffering some sort of brain dysfunction, because the whole thing makes no sense to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63551</link>
		<author>Artfldgr</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63551</guid>
					<description>Cj, 
  you sound like an engineer..  :)</description>
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  you sound like an engineer..  <img src='http://neoneocon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: J. Peden</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63592</link>
		<author>J. Peden</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63592</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;What is “clockwise” supposed to mean?&lt;/i&gt;

Amen.  And what is this "anti-clockwise" business?  Why is "anti" better than "counter"? And...

One other burning question: could "being right/left handed" discourage people from using their other hand from an early age and somehow inhibit development of one side of the brain to its fullest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What is “clockwise” supposed to mean?</i></p>
<p>Amen.  And what is this &#8220;anti-clockwise&#8221; business?  Why is &#8220;anti&#8221; better than &#8220;counter&#8221;? And&#8230;</p>
<p>One other burning question: could &#8220;being right/left handed&#8221; discourage people from using their other hand from an early age and somehow inhibit development of one side of the brain to its fullest?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad</title>
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		<author>Tom Grey - Liberty Dad</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/04/08/human-plasticity-leftright-frontback-brain/#comment-63605</guid>
					<description>"What is clockwise? "
(Are you being silly?)
If somebody asked you to spin clockwise, could you?  I could.
a) right foot on ground, turning right, "pushing" with shoulders, left foot up &#38; trailing, OR
b) left foot on ground, turning right, "falling" with my right foot sort of leading -- like the dancer.

Which foot is on the floor?  

It can be either, but in both directions it feels like the (b) kind of falling turning.

I use the mouse with my left hand to exercise my right brain a bit.

Delightful post, Neo.

(J. Peden's advice helped me control the otherwise less controlled switching.  Mostly clockwise for me.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What is clockwise? &#8221;<br />
(Are you being silly?)<br />
If somebody asked you to spin clockwise, could you?  I could.<br />
a) right foot on ground, turning right, &#8220;pushing&#8221; with shoulders, left foot up &amp; trailing, OR<br />
b) left foot on ground, turning right, &#8220;falling&#8221; with my right foot sort of leading &#8212; like the dancer.</p>
<p>Which foot is on the floor?  </p>
<p>It can be either, but in both directions it feels like the (b) kind of falling turning.</p>
<p>I use the mouse with my left hand to exercise my right brain a bit.</p>
<p>Delightful post, Neo.</p>
<p>(J. Peden&#8217;s advice helped me control the otherwise less controlled switching.  Mostly clockwise for me.)</p>
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