Comments on: They don’t call him “Dhimmi Carter” for nothing, but perhaps they should call him Neville

By: Fabulous

Fabulous — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 04:36:51 +0000

I have to say, neo-neocon » Blog Archive » They don’t call him “Dhimmi Carter” for nothing, but perhaps they should call him Neville is a honestly nice thoughts. I’d like to offer you my thanks a bunch. Cheers, Fabulous

By: Vince P

Vince P — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:25:37 +0000

I have an update to this stuff I said earlier:

Gee I forgot all about this..

There’s an hour-long weekly radio show called the Middle East Radio Forum. The show’s historian has been talking about the history of Iran , and he’s been on the CIA plot for the past few weeks.

http://middleeastradioforum.org/programarchives.html

Here are topics that have an audio download you can listen to free:

3-16
Historical Chronology and Analysis #93 -Iran in 1953, Project Ajax, the CIA Coup and his current events analysis

4-6
Historical Chronology and Analysis #94 – Iran 1953- seizing victory from the jaws of defeat and his current events analysis.

It’s a great show, and I recommend you guys listen to it.

Note they make the older archives unavailable as the weeks go by, I think the first clip will be gone by the end of the week, so listen to it or d/l it as soon as you can.

Here’s the update:

This Sunday, historian Dr. Steve Carol returns to discuss Iran – the significance of Project Ajax for Iran, the US, and the future, and of course his exclusive “Dateline – Middle East” current events analysis. Call in with questions, 602-508-0960 or toll free at 1-888-960-9696. Available in the Phoenix area on 960 am and anywhere on my website, Welcome to MERF where old shows are also available in my archives section. Please spread the word about this important show. Wm Wolf, host Middle East Radio Forum

By: Artfldgr

Artfldgr — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:18:34 +0000

Fredhjr: And after he got power, he turned on the socialists and Communists viciously, killing them and driving them into exile.

Just to let you know, but maybe you already know, the reason is not that they were communists or unbelievers. Useful idiots always end up being taken down after they put the new regime into place. the new regime that was using them before sees them as traitors. They worked for the demise of their own space because they didn’t like it. Well the new leaders know that they are going to like the new leaders stuff even less than the old way they were too stupid to appreciate.

Those that would turn on their own people are those that no regime can afford to have.

By: Sergey

Sergey — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:50:32 +0000

“The Jewish exodus from Arab lands refers to the 20th century expulsion or mass departure of Jews, primarily of Sephardi and Mizrahi background, from Arab and Islamic countries. The migration started in the late 19th century, but accelerated after the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. According to official Arab statistics, 856,000 Jews left their homes in Arab countries from 1948 until the early 1970s. Some 600,000 resettled in Israel, [1] leaving behind property valued today at more than $300 billion.[2][3] Jewish-owned real-estate left behind in Arab lands has been estimated at 100,000 square kilometers (four times the size of the State of Israel).”
So Arabs have stolen from Jews four times more land than the whole Israel territory, using terror as a method of expulsion. This simple fact makes all this whinning abot “land grab” ridiculous.

By: Vince P

Vince P — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:02:56 +0000

MT: It’s laughable if you think your education about dhimmitude was sufficient enough even though you never heard the word before. this is what is so typical about Leftist.. they’re so damn lazy.

You heard christians were second-class citizens in sunday school when you were 10 years ago.. AND THAT’S IT. that’s your whole intellectual exploration on that!.

thank you for demostrating for real what some people have said about Leftists..and that is they have a mentality stuck in childhood.

By: Michael Taylor

Michael Taylor — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:01:42 +0000

Sergey, I don’t want to disrespect your knowledge of the political differences between the Stern Gang and the Irgun, which I found interesting and in fact I thank you for it.

My point however, the use of terrorism by Zionists in the establishment of the State of Israel, did not depend on the political differences between the various terrorist groups. Obviously, there had to be some significant differences between Irgun and the Stern Gang or they both would have been one group. What those differences were may be important in the context of a discussion of the political composition of the Zionist underground, but they are totally unimportant in a discussion centering around Arab refugees and the issue of whether they left voluntarily or were pushed out. If the argument is whether or not they were forced out by terrorist violence, it is not of much importance to determine WHICH terrorist group, if any, pushed them out, or even if the groups whose violence pushed them out were terrorists or not. (In the case of the 70,000 Arabs rounded up from their homes and trucked to the Jordan River, this was done by Haganah forces under General Yigal Alon.)

So, in the context of THIS discussion, it really matters not which particular group or groups contributed to the massacres or other acts of violence or even apparent violence which drove the Arabs off their land, the point I was making was, that by one Jewish group or another, the Arabs WERE terrorized and as a result DID leave their lands under fear of violence.

By: Michael Taylor

Michael Taylor — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:48:28 +0000

To Sergey, Vince P. and Douglas – - I can’t say that at this point I am surprised by your collective ignorance, but that doesn’t mean I will stop trying to help you.

I actually know quite a bit about dhimmitude – - not because of professional expertise but because it is fairly common knowledge. We had actually learned about the status of non-Muslims and the special provisions made for Christians and Jews back when I was in Sunday school, which is why I am not impressed by anyone’s claim to knowledge of that fact.

What I happened not to know was the Arabic word dhimmi, which I have no doubt is commonly used in the sacred canon of anti-Arab, anti-Muslim hate literature mostly written by Jewish “experts” on “the Muslim mind,” “the Arab culture,” etc. who with their pet Arab collaborators are very, very popular in the American media these days. They get picked up and quoted all over and I guess it adds a touch of faux scholarship if one can throw the odd Arabic word into the mix. I love it that you can pretend to claim expertise on a subject by knowing what “dhimmi” means when others don’t – - great way of “winning” all your arguments. The childishness of this approach is mind-boggling but hey! whatever drives your engine.

By: sergey

sergey — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:22:39 +0000

MT, I need not courses in elementary logic. I have graduated Department of Mathematics and Mechanics of Moscow State University, the world leading institution in the field. I even read courses in elementary logic to post-grad philology students. My objections to your statesments about Jewish resistance groups were not about logic. Formally they are correct, but they lump together very different ideological and political positions that need to be analysed separately.
Both Lehi and Irgun leaders were religious fundamentalists and militant nationalists, but in anything else they differ. Stern formulated, very clearly, what can be called Hebrew variant of Liberation Theology, rich in Marxist ideas of anti-imperialist armed struggle using terror and underground conspirative cells, in quite Bolshevik fashion, in violation of all existing international norms and professing non-cooperation with any state powers.
Irgun leaders, instead, were recognizing necessity of cooperation with democratic western countries, using world opinion for defending Zionist cause, after starting WWII they demand cease all attacts on British authorities, seeng Britain as an ally against Hitler and his Arab allies. Exactly here the splitting occured. History shown that Irgun was right.
So, Lehi in modern therminology was ultra-left, while Irgun – far-right. Both were against mainstream Zionists, secular and socialist, but on radically different grounds. This did not exlude their cooperation in existentional war for survival of Jewish state, of course, but ignore these distinctions is, indeed, ignorance, so typical to all liberals in their rants about ME conflict.

By: Vince P

Vince P — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:41:59 +0000

Sergey: Isn’t it amazing how he admits to not knowing about major components of the societal framework of the middle east and yet he sees noproblem with his analysis.

The arrogance of these ignorant Leftists is astounding to me.

By: sergey

sergey — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:21:56 +0000

“my not knowing what dhimmitude was disqualifies me from ever expressing any opinion on Middle East politics”
Yes, this absolutely disqualifies you. Such fundamental element of Islam theology and social practice can’t be ignored in any discussion on ME. It depicts Islam as a political system of institutionalized discrimination and intolrance and explain root causes of every conflict of Umma with the whole civilized world, and also justifies all forms of resistance to Islamic domination, including terroristic in their nature.