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	<title>Comments on: To Hillary: oh please go gentle</title>
	<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/</link>
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		<title>By: DuMaurier-Smith</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67573</link>
		<author>DuMaurier-Smith</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I hope she rages and raves until the cows come home and run away.  I'd like to see the Democrat Party in a real shambles; I only wish something similar and probable were lurking for the Republican Party.  Short of some such cataclysm, I see little hope either party will reform itself to serve the people rather than itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope she rages and raves until the cows come home and run away.  I&#8217;d like to see the Democrat Party in a real shambles; I only wish something similar and probable were lurking for the Republican Party.  Short of some such cataclysm, I see little hope either party will reform itself to serve the people rather than itself.</p>
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		<title>By: huxley</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67576</link>
		<author>huxley</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67576</guid>
					<description>It seems that Democrats have moved almost entirely to declaring reality to be one way or the other rather than recognizing reality, or arguing for it, or building it. 

Whether that reality be Hillary, Obama or the Iraq War, the Democrats just set up a drumbeat and repeat it until they have at least their side convinced.

The task for Republicans is to break the spell, not just argue against it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that Democrats have moved almost entirely to declaring reality to be one way or the other rather than recognizing reality, or arguing for it, or building it. </p>
<p>Whether that reality be Hillary, Obama or the Iraq War, the Democrats just set up a drumbeat and repeat it until they have at least their side convinced.</p>
<p>The task for Republicans is to break the spell, not just argue against it.</p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67577</link>
		<author>Artfldgr</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>If she cant win, envy demands she ruins it.</description>
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		<title>By: Sergey</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67580</link>
		<author>Sergey</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 17:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67580</guid>
					<description>Everybody fears angry men. But really angry woman is hundred times more dangerous. If Hillary actually is such a bitch as is portrayed, she can and will spoil the party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody fears angry men. But really angry woman is hundred times more dangerous. If Hillary actually is such a bitch as is portrayed, she can and will spoil the party.</p>
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		<title>By: DuMaurier-Smith</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67588</link>
		<author>DuMaurier-Smith</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 19:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67588</guid>
					<description>I beg indulgence for a brief deflection from the thread.  In college I took a course in poetry from a delightful, elderly woman who was a poet/rebel against her family wealth and prestige (her class didn't teach), against an all male university English Department (where she'd been informed she'd never make Professor) and against society at large.  She was remarkable, one of those few profs you feel lucky to find among the dross.  One book used was called French Forms of Versification, which used William Henley's Villainelle as a specimen poem:

A dainty thing's the Villanelle, 
Sly, musical, a jewel in rhyme, 
It serves its purpose passing well. 

A double-clappered silver bell 
That must be made to clink in chime, 
A dainty thing's the Villanelle; 

And if you wish to flute a spell, 
Or ask a meeting 'neath the lime, 
It serves its purpose passing well. 

You must not ask of it the swell 
Of organs grandiose and sublime - 
A dainty thing's the Villanelle; 

And, filled with sweetness, as a shell 
Is filled with sound, and launched in time, 
It serves its purpose passing well. 

Still fair to see and good to smell 
As in the quaintness of its prime, 
A dainty thing's the Villanelle, 
It serves its purpose passing well. 

I was so struck with that example it was sometime before I realized "Do Not Go Gentle" was a villainelle--full of organ swell, gradiose and sublime.  I add William Empson's "Missing Dates" as another fine example of Henley's failure as a critic.

Missing Dates 

Slowly the poison the whole blood stream fills.
It is not the effort nor the failure tires.
The waste remains, the waste remains and kills.

It is not your system or clear sight that mills
Down small to the consequence a life requires;
Slowly the poison the whole blood stream fills.

They bled an old dog dry yet the exchange rills
Of young dog blood gave but a month's desires.
The waste remains, the waste remains and kills.

It is the Chinese tombs and the slag hills
Usurp the soil, and not the soil retires.
Slowly the poison the whole blood stream fills.

Not to have fire is to be a skin that shrills.
The complete fire is death. From partial fires
The waste remains, the waste remains and kills.

It is the poems you have lost, the ills
From missing dates, at which the heart expires.
Slowly the poison the whole blood stream fills.
The waste remains, the waste remains and kills.

Thank you for your indulgence.  A little poetry now and then cleans the waste from the blood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beg indulgence for a brief deflection from the thread.  In college I took a course in poetry from a delightful, elderly woman who was a poet/rebel against her family wealth and prestige (her class didn&#8217;t teach), against an all male university English Department (where she&#8217;d been informed she&#8217;d never make Professor) and against society at large.  She was remarkable, one of those few profs you feel lucky to find among the dross.  One book used was called French Forms of Versification, which used William Henley&#8217;s Villainelle as a specimen poem:</p>
<p>A dainty thing&#8217;s the Villanelle,<br />
Sly, musical, a jewel in rhyme,<br />
It serves its purpose passing well. </p>
<p>A double-clappered silver bell<br />
That must be made to clink in chime,<br />
A dainty thing&#8217;s the Villanelle; </p>
<p>And if you wish to flute a spell,<br />
Or ask a meeting &#8216;neath the lime,<br />
It serves its purpose passing well. </p>
<p>You must not ask of it the swell<br />
Of organs grandiose and sublime -<br />
A dainty thing&#8217;s the Villanelle; </p>
<p>And, filled with sweetness, as a shell<br />
Is filled with sound, and launched in time,<br />
It serves its purpose passing well. </p>
<p>Still fair to see and good to smell<br />
As in the quaintness of its prime,<br />
A dainty thing&#8217;s the Villanelle,<br />
It serves its purpose passing well. </p>
<p>I was so struck with that example it was sometime before I realized &#8220;Do Not Go Gentle&#8221; was a villainelle&#8211;full of organ swell, gradiose and sublime.  I add William Empson&#8217;s &#8220;Missing Dates&#8221; as another fine example of Henley&#8217;s failure as a critic.</p>
<p>Missing Dates </p>
<p>Slowly the poison the whole blood stream fills.<br />
It is not the effort nor the failure tires.<br />
The waste remains, the waste remains and kills.</p>
<p>It is not your system or clear sight that mills<br />
Down small to the consequence a life requires;<br />
Slowly the poison the whole blood stream fills.</p>
<p>They bled an old dog dry yet the exchange rills<br />
Of young dog blood gave but a month&#8217;s desires.<br />
The waste remains, the waste remains and kills.</p>
<p>It is the Chinese tombs and the slag hills<br />
Usurp the soil, and not the soil retires.<br />
Slowly the poison the whole blood stream fills.</p>
<p>Not to have fire is to be a skin that shrills.<br />
The complete fire is death. From partial fires<br />
The waste remains, the waste remains and kills.</p>
<p>It is the poems you have lost, the ills<br />
From missing dates, at which the heart expires.<br />
Slowly the poison the whole blood stream fills.<br />
The waste remains, the waste remains and kills.</p>
<p>Thank you for your indulgence.  A little poetry now and then cleans the waste from the blood.</p>
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		<title>By: DuMaurier-Smith</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67589</link>
		<author>DuMaurier-Smith</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 19:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67589</guid>
					<description>Of course, it would have been nice if I'd learned how to spell "villanelle"!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, it would have been nice if I&#8217;d learned how to spell &#8220;villanelle&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67593</link>
		<author>expat</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 20:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67593</guid>
					<description>I wonder where GV got the "jello pie" idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder where GV got the &#8220;jello pie&#8221; idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Irons</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67608</link>
		<author>Jamie Irons</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 23:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67608</guid>
					<description>That cool kid clique piece rather says it all...


Jamie Irons</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That cool kid clique piece rather says it all&#8230;</p>
<p>Jamie Irons</p>
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		<title>By: J. B.</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67625</link>
		<author>J. B.</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 03:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67625</guid>
					<description>DuMaurier-Smith,
Some time ago I saw a comment on a blog, maybe this one, where someone said roughly the following: "McCain/ Hunter 08- Impeach McCain in 09!"  ROFL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DuMaurier-Smith,<br />
Some time ago I saw a comment on a blog, maybe this one, where someone said roughly the following: &#8220;McCain/ Hunter 08- Impeach McCain in 09!&#8221;  ROFL!</p>
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		<title>By: njcommuter</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67629</link>
		<author>njcommuter</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 04:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67629</guid>
					<description>Two US presidents have faced impeachment.  Both were Democrats.</description>
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		<title>By: camojack</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67633</link>
		<author>camojack</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 04:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67633</guid>
					<description>I hope she keeps it contentious as long as possible...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope she keeps it contentious as long as possible&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Russell</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67642</link>
		<author>John Russell</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 07:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67642</guid>
					<description>Now I know what a villanelle is.  Love the McGovern-Eagleton riff.  Great!  And the poem's not half-bad, by the way.  Good Job, NNC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I know what a villanelle is.  Love the McGovern-Eagleton riff.  Great!  And the poem&#8217;s not half-bad, by the way.  Good Job, NNC</p>
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		<title>By: SteveH</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67650</link>
		<author>SteveH</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 10:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67650</guid>
					<description>It ain't like Hillary didn't hit the same 57 states as Barak did. 

 The woman is actually evoking some strange form of sympathy from me. Somebody just slap me and wake me from my stupor.

 Whats gonna piss me off is if democrats win this election. Then we discover that GW starts having a martini after meals, rendering him the most fluid  communicator the modern world has ever seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It ain&#8217;t like Hillary didn&#8217;t hit the same 57 states as Barak did. </p>
<p> The woman is actually evoking some strange form of sympathy from me. Somebody just slap me and wake me from my stupor.</p>
<p> Whats gonna piss me off is if democrats win this election. Then we discover that GW starts having a martini after meals, rendering him the most fluid  communicator the modern world has ever seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67653</link>
		<author>Kevin</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 11:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67653</guid>
					<description>It seems the Democrats are the ones constantly harping about racism in America. A front page MSN article today addresses the racist comments Obama's foot soldiers are encountering on a regular basis. Why are these 'stumpers' only contacting known Republicans? Gee! one can't even imagine the rank and file traditional blue collar working man Democrats being at all racist! No sir! It must only be the Republicans who are racist. I think this is why Hillary persists, knowing racism is a massive achilles heel within the Democratic party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems the Democrats are the ones constantly harping about racism in America. A front page MSN article today addresses the racist comments Obama&#8217;s foot soldiers are encountering on a regular basis. Why are these &#8217;stumpers&#8217; only contacting known Republicans? Gee! one can&#8217;t even imagine the rank and file traditional blue collar working man Democrats being at all racist! No sir! It must only be the Republicans who are racist. I think this is why Hillary persists, knowing racism is a massive achilles heel within the Democratic party.</p>
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		<title>By: Gringo</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67670</link>
		<author>Gringo</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 16:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67670</guid>
					<description>Eagleton was the source for the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Eagleton" rel="nofollow"&gt; “acid, amnesty, and abortion”&lt;/a&gt;  remark slamming McGovern. Until the day he died, Eagleton never publicly admitted that he was the source of this remark to journalist Robert Novak.  McGovern’s dumping Eagleton was poetic, if unwitting, justice.  Eagleton was no victim. He was less than candid about his hospitalization AND about the “acid, amnesty, and abortion” remark  and paid the price. Would McGovern have ever proposed that Eagleton be his running mate had he been aware of that Eagleton was the source of the “acid, amnesty, and abortion” remark? I  think not. 
 
I previously posted on this. Those who consider Eagleton a victim and McGovern a charlatan are missing the whole picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eagleton was the source for the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Eagleton" rel="nofollow"> “acid, amnesty, and abortion”</a>  remark slamming McGovern. Until the day he died, Eagleton never publicly admitted that he was the source of this remark to journalist Robert Novak.  McGovern’s dumping Eagleton was poetic, if unwitting, justice.  Eagleton was no victim. He was less than candid about his hospitalization AND about the “acid, amnesty, and abortion” remark  and paid the price. Would McGovern have ever proposed that Eagleton be his running mate had he been aware of that Eagleton was the source of the “acid, amnesty, and abortion” remark? I  think not. </p>
<p>I previously posted on this. Those who consider Eagleton a victim and McGovern a charlatan are missing the whole picture.</p>
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		<title>By: neo-neocon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67672</link>
		<author>neo-neocon</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 17:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67672</guid>
					<description>Gringo:  that's true, but not the point.  McGovern was unaware of that, and it's not the reason he dumped him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gringo:  that&#8217;s true, but not the point.  McGovern was unaware of that, and it&#8217;s not the reason he dumped him.</p>
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		<title>By: Gringo</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67675</link>
		<author>Gringo</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 17:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67675</guid>
					<description>neo: poetic justice.</description>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67686</link>
		<author>Artfldgr</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 20:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67686</guid>
					<description>Socialists eat their own...   as its always been</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Socialists eat their own&#8230;   as its always been</p>
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		<title>By: Imoshen</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67750</link>
		<author>Imoshen</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 13:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67750</guid>
					<description>Asrtdgr,
Socialists??  Neo liberals should you say. They wanted both ways, quasi-social"ist" reforms with centrist conservatism.  Why would the gender platform should pay the price for this blunder?

It is time for the US "hollywood" political system to think seriously about  a parlamentary system, via proportional representation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asrtdgr,<br />
Socialists??  Neo liberals should you say. They wanted both ways, quasi-social&#8221;ist&#8221; reforms with centrist conservatism.  Why would the gender platform should pay the price for this blunder?</p>
<p>It is time for the US &#8220;hollywood&#8221; political system to think seriously about  a parlamentary system, via proportional representation.</p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67807</link>
		<author>Artfldgr</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 23:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://neoneocon.com/2008/05/12/to-hillary-oh-please-go-gentle/#comment-67807</guid>
					<description>neo-liberals?  they are communist socialists...  call a duck by a million names its still a duck. 

the liberal label has been co-opted and hasnt meant what it meant for a long time... we act and think like it does, but it stands for socialism, not laissez faire anymore. 

The US political system was find till we went to socialist land...  its been going down hill ever since... massive texes, inflation, keneysian economics, planned economy, pseudo nationalized state supported companies that prevent competition through regulation, fake fronts by dems to park pork, soft eugenics, welfare slavery, and so much more. 

the differences in everything are staggering, and only the few old enough to remember know how staggering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo-liberals?  they are communist socialists&#8230;  call a duck by a million names its still a duck. </p>
<p>the liberal label has been co-opted and hasnt meant what it meant for a long time&#8230; we act and think like it does, but it stands for socialism, not laissez faire anymore. </p>
<p>The US political system was find till we went to socialist land&#8230;  its been going down hill ever since&#8230; massive texes, inflation, keneysian economics, planned economy, pseudo nationalized state supported companies that prevent competition through regulation, fake fronts by dems to park pork, soft eugenics, welfare slavery, and so much more. </p>
<p>the differences in everything are staggering, and only the few old enough to remember know how staggering.</p>
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