May 28th, 2008

The silence on Iraq is deafening

As predicted, as things have become better and better in Iraq, the MSM has found it to be of little interest anymore.

And the sound of the cricket is heard in the land.

[NOTE: Also see this.]

24 Responses to “The silence on Iraq is deafening”

  1. Sdferr Says:

    To the eternal shame of the journalists grown silent. History will not be kind.

  2. Truth Says:

    To the eternal shame of the journalists grown silent

    There was discussion here about journalists if what they reporting goes forward and publish.

    What we saw with Iraq war it’s far beyond journalists control as mush as how this war presented and directed from the start.

    Although wit all due respect of neo view their is doubt the journalists have really control arm in this as far as US administration don’t like make more noise about Iraq firstly also US public busy with election time and each party use the media to strength/ pick attentions for his goals.

  3. gcotharn Says:

    Barack is lying when he says

    I opposed this war from the beginning.

    A true statement would be

    I opposed this war in the beginning; I supported it after we quickly deposed Saddam’s government; I opposed it again as I readied for my Presidential run.

    After we deposed Saddam’s government, Barack said(quoting from memory):

    I may have been hasty in opposing the Iraq invasion.

    During the same post-invasion time frame, Barack said this in an interview(quoting from memory)

    My position and President Bush’s position are very close to each other.

    This comment might more properly belong in the previous “doublespeak” blogpost. It rankles that Barack is allowed to claim wisdom – based upon war opposition – when Barack actually ran to the front of various advantageous parades at various advantageous stages.

  4. Trimegistus Says:

    I just want to say that “Truth’s” post up there sets a new record in total incoherence.

    What are you trying to say, “Truth”? Do you actually have any kind of thought process at all, or are you now just randomly spitting out fragments of the Approved Narrative, like some kind of William Burroughs cut-up project?

  5. Truth Says:

    Trimegistus, keep yourself with your Myths

  6. Truth Says:

    Bush siad:
    “In Germany and Japan, the work of rebuilding took place in relative quiet,” Bush said. “Today we’re helping emerging democracies rebuild under fire from terrorist networks and state sponsors of terror. This is a difficult and unprecedented task, and we’re learning as we go.”

    I agree with him in this but still holding Corrupt Shaikh Paul Bremer III with the miss he created in Iraq helped terrorists inside and out side Iraq to slaughter Iraqis and Americans for more than five years which pass the time when US was in Germany

  7. Trimegistus Says:

    Um, “Truth”? The U.S. has had troops in Germany for more than 60 years now. Just so you know, 60 is in fact a larger number than 5.

  8. Truth Says:

    Trimegistus, yes I know I don’t talking about troop existence here I talking about war the war II was finished less in time what we have in Iraq, isn’t?

  9. Trimegistus Says:

    Similarly, our war with Iraq was finished in about a year, if you take the capture of Saddam as the end of that phase. Since then we’ve been fighting alongside the Iraqi army against foreign terrorists attacking their country — more or less the way we agreed to help defend Germany against attack since 1949.

    And would you please retire that racist lie that the U.S. somehow “creates” terrorists? Muslims, like other human beings, have free will and can make their own choices. We don’t make them become terrorists any more than we make Brazilians play samba music.

  10. Truth Says:

    ,B>our war with Iraq was finished in about a year, if you take the capture of Saddam as the end of that phase.

    Its not me to take things here its the ground reading tells the war not finish you like it or not some agree some not.
    Please read this:
    Mission Still Not Accomplished

    foreign terrorists attacking their country

    English is not my native language if I am right isn’t statement looks odd?

    How come they are “foreign” attacking “their country”!!?

    We know there are terrorists and criminals inside Iraq and are Iraqi also there are great amount of foreign terrorist funded and supported by neighbours’ states

    would you please retire that racist lie

    Aha so sick claims here, did your hero dismantle the Iraqi army and police forces?
    Did that open wildly the doors for criminals terrorist, thugs from around the world to play their game.
    Just look back whats happen after Katrina disaster how some killer and gangs went wild in a country where rule of law still strong and existed what they done in is marginal time when the power paused for short time.

    Let dance all with Brazilians play samba music!

  11. Gringo Says:

    @ Truth:
    I agree with him in this but still holding Corrupt Shaikh Paul Bremer III with the miss he created in Iraq helped terrorists inside and out side Iraq to slaughter Iraqis and Americans for more than five years which pass the time when US was in Germany

    Trimegistus, yes I know I don’t talking about troop existence here I talking about war the war II was finished less in time what we have in Iraq, isn’t?

    Perhaps Truth? is suggesting that had the US conducted its war against Saddam and the Jihadis/Baathists in the same way the US conducted WW2 against Germany and Japan, the results would have been better. A substantial part- perhaps the majority- of the major cities in Japan and Germany were reduced to rubble through Allied bombing. Iraq’s infrastructure was almost completely intact after the US invasion. A substantial proportion, perhaps most, of the infrastructure destruction in Iraq since May 2003 has come from those opposing the US.

    From Wikipedia, we find out that 10.5% of Germany’s population and 3.8% of Japan’s population were killed in WW2: nearly 10 million people. Is Truth? suggesting that had the US inflicted similar casualties in Iraq, things would have been calmer? BTW, Japan lost 580,000 civilians in WW2. While one may regret the deaths of those killed by the atomic bomb at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, bear in mind that Japan killed 16.2 million civilian Chinese in WW2.

  12. David L. Says:

    One way to understand the silence about Iraq might be to think of Iraq and “Iraq,” as two separate things. Iraq is a real place in the real world, where real events are taking place. “Iraq” is a psychological space, a shorthand for all our quarrels with ourselves over what America’s role in the world shall be and who shall govern America. Iraq may have been anything from a noble cause to a policy blunder – more likely – and in any case badly botched in execution until Bush found the right general and gave him a free hand. “Iraq,” to those who have fallen silent about developments in Iraq is a moral wrong that must be repudiated regardless of what is happening in Iraq or any geostrategic consequences of that repudiation.

    Above all, “Iraq,” has been a personal wrong, insult, and disaffirmation for those who have now fallen silent about events in Iraq. These are the people who were demanding “not in my name” before the sun set on September 11, 2001. Success in Iraq is, therefore, a threat to their existential stake in ending the “Iraq” war on terms that they can live with. Any news of such success will be disregarded where it cannot be denied.

  13. Legalize Adulthood! Says:

    Pay no attention to the good news from behind the curtain, comrade!…

    Ralph Peters pretty much says it all for me, but I do have one personal anecdote along these lines to relate.
    Remember General Abizaid? Remember when he spent something like 4 hours testifying in front of a congressional committee reporting on the sta…

  14. Truth Says:

    Gringo
    Iraq’s infrastructure was almost completely intact after the US invasion. A substantial proportion, perhaps most, of the infrastructure destruction in Iraq since May 2003 has come from those opposing the US.

    Gringo do your information comes from reliable source or from US media and impended reporters like?

    I did not suggested how the war was conducted from the start in fact I appose the war from humanity side and the catastrophic consequences of the war.
    Iraqis did not like their regime and they stand away when US start the war and this clear from Remembering Spring 2003, From the Iraqi Side of Battle by one Iraq solder early days of war after five years.

    after the war start the way corrupt Sheikh Paul Bremer III administrated Iraq.
    Its important to go back and read what General Lucius Clay U.S. Military Governor of Germany, 1945–46 said:

    You can’t let this country starve to death or break down with the lack of opportunity for economic life. In the long run, the American people will never tolerate an area under American control in which there is chaos.

    So back to Iraq’s infrastructure after 13 years of inhuman sanction and the massive bombing of Iraq the Iraq’s infrastructure almost on its last leg which broken down by the invasion refer to Paul Bremer speeches about Iraq’s infrastructure in many occasions.

    But the disastrous blow of Iraq’s infrastructure was the theft and looting which is gone too far with US troop did nothing to stop it.

  15. Vince P Says:

    But the disastrous blow of Iraq’s infrastructure was the theft and looting which is gone too far with US troop did nothing to stop it.

    The looting is part of your glorious culture.. it’s not our job to tame you when you decide to act like a pack of jackals.

  16. Hal Says:

    I think a good bit of the MSM lack of attention to good news from Iraq is the election. My guess is that you could track the fade of Iraq from headlines and the increase in election coverage and see the pattern. Unfortunately, the good developments in Iraq and the election heating up happen at the same time, so the effects cannot be separated easily. And in general, bad news leads headlines.

  17. neo-neocon Says:

    Hal: I agree it’s the elections. But I disagree on the motive.

    If the news from Iraq, good or bad, favored the favorite, Obama, you can be assured we’d hear about it day and night. But since it favors McCain and Bush, it’s hush-hush.

  18. Gringo Says:

    TRUTH?:

    So back to Iraq’s infrastructure after 13 years of inhuman sanction and the massive bombing of Iraq the Iraq’s infrastructure almost on its last leg which broken down by the invasion refer to Paul Bremer speeches about Iraq’s infrastructure in many occasions.

    Judging by electrical output, I stand by my statement that most of Iraq’s infrastructure was largely intact after the 2003 war.

    Prewar 3958 MW
    June 2003 3193 MW
    October 2003 3948 MW

    From Brookings Institute Iraq Index, page 41.

    Here are some photographs of the infrastructure destruction in WW2: from the Tokyo fire bombing , from the A-bomb in Hiroshima and in Germany.
    Are you telling me that the destruction of Iraq’s infrastructure was similar?

    To the degree that Iraq’s infrastructure had not been repaired after Gulf War 1,that responsibility lies with Saddam, who chose instead to build palaces. That does not sound like a good argument for having kept Saddam in power.

    You need stop relying on the local mukhabarat for your thought processes and talking points. Baghdad Bob could have said “13 years of inhumane sanctions.” Interject some TRUTH into your life.

  19. Truth Says:

    The looting is part of your glorious culture..

    Vince P, check out how many US solders caught in air port bringing items from Iraq?

    Where did US$9-10 Billions that vanished from Iraq?

    Where the Babylonian priceless item stolen and theft from Iraq during the looting from Iraqi Baghdad Museum where US tank Blow the main door for the looters (thief in are they Iraqi?).

    What about Babylonian site when US troop take it as military base their when Bremer have visited their what they done of huge damage that to cover their culture of thefts which prompted UN agencies to raise alarm about the distract that happened in that very historical site asked you here what they done and what the found and where things went. No Iraqi was allowing on that site for years.

    Your hysteria, racist and hatred altitude stopping your mindset thinking in the right matter as normal people do, your dishonesty clear here go back and review all what I list you will find more talk and info make you sick to your bone, read those theft done by many not just US solders/and others who have that culture of Ali Baba.

    Btw, united Nation and Inter national laws stating the invading Power/Frorse responsible for the security, law and orders on invaded land:

    At the domestic level, the provisions of international humanitarian law have been translated into instructions for members of national armed forces in military manuals. They include manuals for the armed forces of the UK (The Law of War on Land, Part III, 1958) and the USA (The Law of Land Warfare, FM 27-10, Department of the Army Field Manual, 1956).

    The occupying power has the duty to restore and maintain public order and safety in the territories controlled by its forces, in accordance with Article 43 of the Hague Regulations.

    In order to carry out this duty, the occupying power is entitled to “take such measures of control and security in regard to protected persons as may be necessary as a result of the war”, in the language of Article 27 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Such measures may include the use of force. However any use of force in circumstances outside combat, whether by soldiers or police officers, must be consistent with international law enforcement standards, including the 1979 UN Code of Conduct for Law Enforcement Officials (Code of Conduct) and the 1990 UN Basic Principles on the Use of Force and Firearms by Law Enforcement Officials (Basic Principles).

    A number of breaches of international law have already been reported following the occupation of Iraq, including failure to prevent looting and allowing breakdown of law and order to take place in Baghdad, failure to provide humanitarian assistance and shooting of civilians during protest.

    Finally I think we reach to point we have to ignore provoking and stupid comments make by you as its clear its very stupid and just for provoking purposes. I will ignore not bother to your your responses in future just trash them

  20. Truth Says:

    Are you telling me that the destruction of Iraq’s infrastructure was similar?

    Gringo I don’t.

    You need stop relying on the local mukhabarat for your thought processes and talking points.

    This really funny statement man, you know that the sanction was hearts Iraqis more than the regime and this not my words and my feeling , regime used this for his own benefits so Bush administration and Iraq s were caught in the middle in this propaganda.

    But just to highlights some things that might tell you more:

    1- UN was allowed Iraq to export oil up to ONE billion dollar and from that ONE billions some of the money goes for compensations of the 1991 war.
    2- Iraqis repaired their power within FOUR months under heavy sanction, they restored communications in SIX months under same conditions, where Iraq after 2003 with all the technology, resources Available Iraqis still got power for 2 hours/day some times more or less, water still a drama phone lines I don’t know (try to call and see by your own any number belong to normal Iraqi house) .

    Please you need to see things from inside not from media all those who trying put makeup for the invasion.

    Gringo I wonder if you live under same condition what your response and talk will be or you also “relying on the local mukhabarat for your thought processes and talking points.” I am not in any way or matter the person you think.

  21. Truth Says:

    A Five-Year Look at the Media and Iraq: From Judy Miller to Stephen Colbert

  22. Gringo Says:

    Truth?:
    Here is what you have said about infrastructure.

    So back to Iraq’s infrastructure after 13 years of inhuman sanction and the massive bombing of Iraq the Iraq’s infrastructure almost on its last leg which broken down by the invasion refer to Paul Bremer speeches about Iraq’s infrastructure in many occasions. (May 29th, 2008 at 12:59 am)
    2- Iraqis repaired their power within FOUR months under heavy sanction, they restored communications in SIX months under same conditions, (May 29th, 2008 at 3:02 pm)

    You contradict yourself from one posting to the next. On the one hand you state that after “13 years of inhumane sanctions and the massive bombing of Iraq Iraq’s infrastructure almost on its last leg.” The reference to massive bombing had to be to Gulf War 1, as there was much more use of bombing in Gulf War1 than in Gulf War 2. On the other hand you state that after Gulf War 1, Iraq had both restored power and communications within 6 months.

    I would agree with you that the Iraqi people were caught in a vise between Saddam and sanctions. One person may claim that the sanctions were too harsh. Another may claim that the problem was that Saddam circumvented sanctions to spend on his palaces and pet projects instead of on the people of Iraq. This suggests that sanctions were untenable in the long run. In the long run, either Saddam or sanctions had to go.

  23. Truth Says:

    Gringo Says:

    Go and ask any Iraqi near you in US who was inside Iraq after Gulf war I he will confirm what I said. or give a visit to Iraq now ask the Iraqis to confirm what I said.

    Then you make your mind and arguments if you don’t believe this is your problem.

    people keep arguing here without real feeling what Iraqis went through how much suffering before and after till now.

    I agree with you “either Saddam or sanctions had to go”, but still Iraqi have to pay their suffering from their blood shared with their American friend due to mismanagements and mistakes that Sheikh Paul BremerIII should be hold responsible for all of what happened from day one he went in Iraq with Persia’s proxy gangs and corrupted guys who came and lie on you ending now Iraq as an extension to Mullah in Iran when women killing due to their dress, schools teaches their fanatic lessens which never been in Iraq since 1950s, with media full of crap in name of Shiites faith (Those Crap of Ashora’a, which not in any way Islamic teaching indorsed by those Persia’s proxy mullah ).

  24. Truth Says:

    الطالباني يطالب نصرالله بعدم التدخل في الشأن العراقي

    31/05/2008 بغداد ــ كونا ــ طالب الرئيس العراقي جلال الطالباني أمين عام «حزب الله» السيد حسن نصرالله بعدم التدخل في الشأن العراقي.
    واضاف خلال لقائه رؤساء تحرير الصحف ووسائل الاعلام العراقية: «بالنسبة الى سماحة السيد حسن نصرالله، فليس له الحق بالتدخل في شؤون العراق الداخلية، كما نحن لم نتدخل في شؤون لبنان الداخلية. العراق بلد مستقل وبلد حضارة وكل الذين يدّعون الجهاد والوطنية تعلموا منا»، مشيرا الى ان «النجف الأشرف هو المدرسة التي خرّجت المناضلين والمجاهدين، وعلماء الدين الشيعة منهم خصوصا، فلا يجوز للتلاميذ ان يفرضوا آراءهم على مدرسيهم واساتذتهم». وكان نصرالله دعا في خطابه الأخير العراقيين الى اعتماد ما وصفه بـ«استراتيجية التحرير»، معربا عن تأييده لـ«المقاومة العراقية للاحتلال الأميركي».

    http://nahrain.com/news.php?readmore=12749

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