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		<title>By: Good Ole Charlie</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/07/03/good-news-in-academia-if-its-true/#comment-76329</link>
		<dc:creator>Good Ole Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Occam:

I too am a chemist: physical organic chemist, passionate lover of Molecular Orbitals.  And have some friends (faculty members at UCLA) who are immunologists/chemists.

Interestingly enough, last year at my undergrad re-union, both guys were adamant about one thing: they would NOT accept female grad students.  Or accepting, they moved them out ASAP.

Reason was - they said - was the attitutude of &quot;good enough for government work&quot;.  Don said he has regularly despaired when trying to decipher their notebooks: sloppy, illogical, and full of unproven hunches.

From your observation, sounds like you&#039;ve had or know someone who has had the same problems and results.

What do you think...surely there no excuse - maybe - now that we have genomes studied in detail?

Best Regards, OB.

Charlie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Occam:</p>
<p>I too am a chemist: physical organic chemist, passionate lover of Molecular Orbitals.  And have some friends (faculty members at UCLA) who are immunologists/chemists.</p>
<p>Interestingly enough, last year at my undergrad re-union, both guys were adamant about one thing: they would NOT accept female grad students.  Or accepting, they moved them out ASAP.</p>
<p>Reason was &#8211; they said &#8211; was the attitutude of &#8220;good enough for government work&#8221;.  Don said he has regularly despaired when trying to decipher their notebooks: sloppy, illogical, and full of unproven hunches.</p>
<p>From your observation, sounds like you&#8217;ve had or know someone who has had the same problems and results.</p>
<p>What do you think&#8230;surely there no excuse &#8211; maybe &#8211; now that we have genomes studied in detail?</p>
<p>Best Regards, OB.</p>
<p>Charlie</p>
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		<title>By: Occam's Beard</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/07/03/good-news-in-academia-if-its-true/#comment-76311</link>
		<dc:creator>Occam's Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie, for my money, molecular biology fits the bill of a soft science with soft thinking. Molecular biologists seem to feel that they understand something once they name it. What&#039;s the factor that controls X? Why, X-controlling factor, of course!

Chemists (such as myself) see that as a tautology.

The molecular biology literature is replete with poorly designed experiments (e.g., &quot;we didn&#039;t see it, so it must not be there&quot; - are you &lt;i&gt;sure&lt;/i&gt; you &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; have seen it if it had been there? Positive controls, please!) and conclusions not supported by the data. The standard (as was once patiently explained to me) was that any data that did not contradict a hypothesis supported it. Uh, no.

And to your last point, the gender balance is much closer to 50/50 than in physical sciences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie, for my money, molecular biology fits the bill of a soft science with soft thinking. Molecular biologists seem to feel that they understand something once they name it. What&#8217;s the factor that controls X? Why, X-controlling factor, of course!</p>
<p>Chemists (such as myself) see that as a tautology.</p>
<p>The molecular biology literature is replete with poorly designed experiments (e.g., &#8220;we didn&#8217;t see it, so it must not be there&#8221; &#8211; are you <i>sure</i> you <i>would</i> have seen it if it had been there? Positive controls, please!) and conclusions not supported by the data. The standard (as was once patiently explained to me) was that any data that did not contradict a hypothesis supported it. Uh, no.</p>
<p>And to your last point, the gender balance is much closer to 50/50 than in physical sciences.</p>
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		<title>By: Good Ole Charlie</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/07/03/good-news-in-academia-if-its-true/#comment-76306</link>
		<dc:creator>Good Ole Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Physical (hard) sciences tend to be highly mathematical in their approach.  Crummy thinking tends to lend itself to failing grades; non-mathematical skills ensures early failure.

Biology is currently being taken over by biochemistry, genetics, and math techniques.  This is one reason that biologists (speaking in generalities) tend to be on the left.  Memorization and soft thinking can be still used (albeit to a lesser and lesser extent) in bio sciences...you can still get an advanced degree in botany, although job prospects in both academia and industry are not that great.

One can observe - although women are more in evidence than when I was younger, but not wiser - that most practitioners (both academia and industry) are still white or Asian-American males.  &quot;Others&quot;, including women, are around 15-20%, depending on the specialty area.

And so it goes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Physical (hard) sciences tend to be highly mathematical in their approach.  Crummy thinking tends to lend itself to failing grades; non-mathematical skills ensures early failure.</p>
<p>Biology is currently being taken over by biochemistry, genetics, and math techniques.  This is one reason that biologists (speaking in generalities) tend to be on the left.  Memorization and soft thinking can be still used (albeit to a lesser and lesser extent) in bio sciences&#8230;you can still get an advanced degree in botany, although job prospects in both academia and industry are not that great.</p>
<p>One can observe &#8211; although women are more in evidence than when I was younger, but not wiser &#8211; that most practitioners (both academia and industry) are still white or Asian-American males.  &#8220;Others&#8221;, including women, are around 15-20%, depending on the specialty area.</p>
<p>And so it goes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Totten</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/07/03/good-news-in-academia-if-its-true/#comment-76297</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael J. Totten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 08:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Generation (X) is definitely less radical and ideological than yours. You have Woodstock, free love, and Vietnam. We have South Park, AIDS, and Desert Storm. 

Even the liberals I grew up with in the 1980s thought Ronald Reagan was awesome when he was president. I did, too, at the time. Later, I hated him in hindsight. Later, again, in even more hindsight, I split the difference between my childhood opinion of him and my young adulthood opinion of him. 

Every single last person I know who is my age hates Political Correctness and anything associated with it. Hates it. And almost everyone I know is left-of-center to one extent or another. I have radical leftist friends who hate it. I hated it in college, and I hated when I thought of myself as a radical leftist. 

It isn&#039;t the worst political idea ever, but it is the most irritating to normal people regardless of their other political views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Generation (X) is definitely less radical and ideological than yours. You have Woodstock, free love, and Vietnam. We have South Park, AIDS, and Desert Storm. </p>
<p>Even the liberals I grew up with in the 1980s thought Ronald Reagan was awesome when he was president. I did, too, at the time. Later, I hated him in hindsight. Later, again, in even more hindsight, I split the difference between my childhood opinion of him and my young adulthood opinion of him. </p>
<p>Every single last person I know who is my age hates Political Correctness and anything associated with it. Hates it. And almost everyone I know is left-of-center to one extent or another. I have radical leftist friends who hate it. I hated it in college, and I hated when I thought of myself as a radical leftist. </p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t the worst political idea ever, but it is the most irritating to normal people regardless of their other political views.</p>
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		<title>By: harry McHitlerburtonstein the COnservative Extremist</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/07/03/good-news-in-academia-if-its-true/#comment-76285</link>
		<dc:creator>harry McHitlerburtonstein the COnservative Extremist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J.H. Bowden:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;The modern left philosophically is anti-ideological, in that they’re opposed to *all* moral systems., i.e., any viewpoint is equally bad.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, I disagree especially considering how preachy the average &quot;progressive&quot; is.  Like Jehova&#039;s Witness, only stinkier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.H. Bowden:<br />
<i>&#8220;The modern left philosophically is anti-ideological, in that they’re opposed to *all* moral systems., i.e., any viewpoint is equally bad.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Oh, I disagree especially considering how preachy the average &#8220;progressive&#8221; is.  Like Jehova&#8217;s Witness, only stinkier.</p>
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		<title>By: J.H. Bowden</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/07/03/good-news-in-academia-if-its-true/#comment-76284</link>
		<dc:creator>J.H. Bowden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The modern left philosophically is anti-ideological, in that they&#039;re opposed to *all* moral systems., i.e., any viewpoint is equally bad. The New Left teaches it is better not to have a viewpoint at all; the true barbarian supposedly is the person who believes there are barbarians in the first place.

They attained the desired result. People who can&#039;t make distinctions inevitably see success as cheating and failure as oppression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The modern left philosophically is anti-ideological, in that they&#8217;re opposed to *all* moral systems., i.e., any viewpoint is equally bad. The New Left teaches it is better not to have a viewpoint at all; the true barbarian supposedly is the person who believes there are barbarians in the first place.</p>
<p>They attained the desired result. People who can&#8217;t make distinctions inevitably see success as cheating and failure as oppression.</p>
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		<title>By: Cappy</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/07/03/good-news-in-academia-if-its-true/#comment-76279</link>
		<dc:creator>Cappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bad news is they have to go somewhere.  To retirement homes.  I plan to put money down on an all meat-eating one that allows booze and firearms to ward off the retiring hippies when my time comes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bad news is they have to go somewhere.  To retirement homes.  I plan to put money down on an all meat-eating one that allows booze and firearms to ward off the retiring hippies when my time comes.</p>
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		<title>By: colagirl</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/07/03/good-news-in-academia-if-its-true/#comment-76278</link>
		<dc:creator>colagirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you&#039;re right, neo.  I tend to be very pessimistic about the future of academia, at least in the soft sciences and in the humanities, and suspect that the current stranglehold the left has on these institutions will simply perpetuate itself, with retiring lefties choosing younger ideological clones to replace themselves.  I could be wrong, and hope I am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you&#8217;re right, neo.  I tend to be very pessimistic about the future of academia, at least in the soft sciences and in the humanities, and suspect that the current stranglehold the left has on these institutions will simply perpetuate itself, with retiring lefties choosing younger ideological clones to replace themselves.  I could be wrong, and hope I am.</p>
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		<title>By: harry McHitlerburtonstein the COnservative Extremist</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/07/03/good-news-in-academia-if-its-true/#comment-76276</link>
		<dc:creator>harry McHitlerburtonstein the COnservative Extremist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neo-neo:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;Can it be that all those years of indoctrination haven’t borne the desired fruit?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Boy, its not for the lack of trying, let me tell you that.

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/04/22/what-is-ur-kidz-lirning-at-linn-benton-community-college/

It seems as if on their way out, boomer acedemia will do their best to leave their impressions on the next generation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo-neo:<br />
<i>&#8220;Can it be that all those years of indoctrination haven’t borne the desired fruit?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Boy, its not for the lack of trying, let me tell you that.</p>
<p><a href="http://michellemalkin.com/2008/04/22/what-is-ur-kidz-lirning-at-linn-benton-community-college/" rel="nofollow">http://michellemalkin.com/2008/04/22/what-is-ur-kidz-lirning-at-linn-benton-community-college/</a></p>
<p>It seems as if on their way out, boomer acedemia will do their best to leave their impressions on the next generation.</p>
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		<title>By: Sergey</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/07/03/good-news-in-academia-if-its-true/#comment-76274</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indoctrination, even the most aggressive and total, is not all that matters: something else, which hard to explain or name, differ one generation from another. In my generation in Soviet Union indoctrination was total, but its efficiency was almost zero. Something in the air had changed, and among those younger than me by five or six years there were almost no true believers in Marxist dogmats. And in generation of my elder daughter (born in 1981) almost 100% of university educated people are bourgeois (middle-class) in all their attitudes, styles and preferences. This is more than ideology, this is the type of personality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indoctrination, even the most aggressive and total, is not all that matters: something else, which hard to explain or name, differ one generation from another. In my generation in Soviet Union indoctrination was total, but its efficiency was almost zero. Something in the air had changed, and among those younger than me by five or six years there were almost no true believers in Marxist dogmats. And in generation of my elder daughter (born in 1981) almost 100% of university educated people are bourgeois (middle-class) in all their attitudes, styles and preferences. This is more than ideology, this is the type of personality.</p>
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