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  1. Excellent answers, Neo. And I’d add my own hunch – it’s not only that just “enough of us” are too awestruck or dumb to know, but I’d also bet they’re gambling that those of us who DO know won’t be able to be heard above the ululations for the Black Narcissus from his disciples or his fellators in the media.

  2. And finally, to paraphrase an old saw, “Ignorance of history is no excuse.”

  3. Yep, I read Obama’s Berlin speech and it was nothing but a zippity-do-dah mishmash of happy words. I also lived in Germany in the 60’s and the folks their had made JFK a minor saint with his picture on walls in various businesses. I was in Germany in 68 when RFK was killed and the country went into mourning.

    German’s are attracted of personalities in a manner that I find strange but it might have to do with a holdover feeling and appreciation of titles. I think Obama tapped into that need for people to desire a beautiful, stylish leader.

    I also do not think that there are too many mistakes made on the part of his handlers. You are right and they are betting on the appeal of his style and the lack of discernment in the voting public. After all, the election just has to have a simple majority of votes in enough states to carry over to the electoral college. They don’t need the all the votes of people who can pass a history test but they do need most of the votes of people who never bother to read a paper and get their news on the Comedy Channel.

  4. As his oldest speech writer is 30, I think this speaks volumes of the level of history education, and education in general in the U.S.

  5. Common to all megalomaniacs is a belief in their own infallibility: “It must be true because that is my belief.” The process is entirely internal because it’s ego-based. Objective reality doesn’t enter the equation. Thus do we get Obama’s continual rejection of the progress made during the surge. The truth proves Obama wrong, and that in his mind is an impossibility.

    I’m not a psychologist, but my 51 years on this planet have taught me something of human nature. Most of us grow in wisdom as a result of our failures. We are humbled. The healthy response is to admit failure and rethink our positions. The inability to admit failure is a form of arrested psychological development. In extreme cases it manifests as sociopathy. Being surrounded by sycophants only feeds the disease. Anyone who dares question is purged from the inner circle. The brakes on the bus have failed, but the passengers are too delirious to care.

    How do we explain the lemming behavior of the MSM toward Obama? Take people of ordinary ability and pay them 5 million bucks a year to read a teleprompter. Or take a someone who barely graduated high school and pay him 20 million for a performance on the silver screen. Or pay a jock a hundred million for chasing a ball. The ego rises and the introspective mind is suspended all together. The self becomes the center of all that is and tips the individual over a cliff.

    Plato understood. The final book of The Republic is a curious read. The dead from Troy are lining up in the afterworld for a chance to reincarnate. The wise among them are choosing insignificant roles for their next life. One even chooses to come back as a lowly sparrow.

    I think, maybe, I’m starting to understand. But I could be wrong. It would not be the first time. If I am wrong, I’ll just have to rethink it. Thinking about thinking . . . there’s a word for that: metacognition! At least here I’m in good company.

  6. If his oldest speechwriter is 30, he probably does think there are 57 states, that he might be President for 8-10 years, and that the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor to protest the breakup of the Beatles.

    The chances that anyone in Obama Oberkommando is aware that the Kennedy-Khruschev summit is generally considered now to have been a disaster that brought us to the brink of nuclear war. And Obama makes JFK look like an elder statesman.

    Good God.

  7. “especially given their youth and the tendency of even senior aides and newspeople to feel the Obamalove”

    I hope and pray that in the future the behavior of some of these newspeople is widely recognized for the embarrassment that it is. It’s truly appalling. Chris Matthews should be run out of town on a rail for the (totally unprofessional) way he’s been acting. Age, and with it, what should be wisdom is apparently no impediment to Obama fever virus. It’s very disturbing.

  8. The short answer is: So what? It sounds good.

    Go and ask anyone you see wearing the soviet style artwork- Obama T-shirt why they support him and more often than not you get the same substantially vacant generalities that are the standard for his campaign: “He promises hope”, “He makes me want to trust government again” He offers change” Ask for specifics, you get more generalities.

    Obama knows his audience. He has an army of willing “journalists” as a free outlet of campaign “information”. They arent going to check the facts, why should anyone connected to a campaign targeting people who arent interested in facts anyway?

  9. I saw a video on YouTube that had Obama’s audio book for Dreams from my Father

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI77cU3jsFs

    In the book, Obama gives details of the speech that we all saw on TV and know as the “God Damn America” speech.

    At 8min 42sec into the video, they show Obama reading

    “Wright spoke of Sharpsville and Hiroshima, the callousness of policy makers in the WHite House and the State House…”

    Obama is reading these words… then they go to the clip of Wright just before he gets ready to say “God Damn America” and he mentions Sharpsville and Hiroshima.

    Obama was there!

  10. “He makes me want to trust government again”

    The funny part is that people who babble such nonsense will, on the next breath, disparage corporations, apparently not realizing that the government is the biggest corporation in existence (i.e., a legal fiction that treats an organization like an individual).

  11. Could there be a break in the weather?

    End of the Affair
    Barack Obama and the press break up.

    http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=6e9f4a42-9540-4d99-aba2-25adc276c25d

    “”They’re an arrogant operation. Young and arrogant,” one reporter covering the campaign says. “They don’t believe in transparency with their own campaign,” another says.

    “”They’re terrified of people poking around Obama’s life,” one reporter says. “The whole Obama narrative is built around this narrative that Obama and David Axelrod built, and, like all stories, it’s not entirely true. “

  12. I read the Cullinan article over at National Review also, neo. Perhaps there is a culture of “sling the bull” inside the Obama camp? The emphasis is on sounding slick, rather than being solid. I have always preferred that statesmen and politicians write their own speeches, so that you know their minds and HOW they think and reason.

    How did we get to this point?

    Obama studied “International Relations” at Columbia University (Communist U. in New York) and I doubt that he was deeply grounded in history. If he purposefully gravitated towards Marxist professors at Occidental College and at Columbia, the results are pretty predictable. For those people the facts of history are not as important as the overarching narrative themes. You make the facts, whether real or made-up, fit the narrative.

    Obama, I think, fits the pattern throughout our culture now: style over substance.

  13. Reminds me of a story early in Bush’s administration when he had gotten some fact about Sweden wrong, having confused it with Switzerland. He apparently was adamant about his own “fact” for quite some time until someone quietly showed him the proof of his error.

    Are we in for another eight years of amateur president?

  14. Nice tit-for-tat, kungfu. That’s the quick way to score in a debate. However, what I’ve observed and others have also observed is a pattern of sloppy preparation exhibited by Obama’s speechwriters and policy advisers.

  15. It is an unpopular thing to do… a generalization… but progressives do not respect knowledge of history. They want to imagine that if they imagine it away, they can create something new / break out if it….

  16. Only one bomb fell on Pearl Harbor. And Ben Affleck was in it.

    In the area of history, Obama can get away with this stuff. The kids under, say, forty are the most historically ignorant bunch imaginable. And, proud of it.

    I suspect that evolution, for hard purposes, built into humans the capacity to critically evaluate their surroundings. What happened?

  17. ~Paules Says:

    July 25th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
    “Common to all megalomaniacs is a belief in their own infallibility…”

    Excellent commentary!

  18. “Or are staff too awed by the One to tell him what he doesn’t want to hear? Or do they all think the rest of us are too dumb or awestruck to notice?”

    I’m in for option three – that Obama has them fact checked, seen they are wrong, and pre-supposes he is correct anyway. I can’t see the staff too awed to say “you are wrong” (many of them have worked for bigger fish) and they should be experienced enough to know we aren’t *that* stupid, yet it happens.

    I truly think this one starts and stops with Obama and his staff is mostly trying to work around him. There are certainly some that have drunk the kool-aid but most are mostly trying to run damage control as far as I can see.

  19. It amuses me that you see a metaphoric stretch and miss the lesson shoved right under your noses. Let me add a disclaimer: I don’t think this says anything about conservatives (or neo-conservatives) as a group. I suspect many conservatives read John F. Cullinan’s comment, checked out the facts, considered the lessons, and got the cold pricklies.

    First the metaphoric stretch: walls (of violence and the accompanying hate) really have come down in Belfast. The physical walls that have gone up (or stayed up) in Belfast matter less than the walls created by bombings, shootings, funerals, and the accompanying rage and oaths of vengeance. Also, the process that brings the walls down takes place in the country, as some (not all) of the towns and villages around Belfast develop a culture of tolerance. But if you speek only of physical barriers, you can say “gotcha” to Senator Obama; in trying to describe in a few sentences the Northern Ireland peace process, a process full of hope and promise, but also complexity, difficulty and pain, he simplified an expression that allowed the literal minded among his opponents to claim he made a mistake.

    But it amazes me that anyone can look at the history Cullinan brings up without drawing the larger lessons. With apologies to those who have grasped any of the lessons the example of Belfast has to offer, I provide a detailed expression below.

    If anyone thinks they can remake a divided society with shock, awe, and some troops, let them go to Belfast. If anyone thinks that the wounds of the past heal quickly, let them go to Belfast. If anyone thinks that a society in which one in fifty people have died violently does not nurse a deep and terrible grief and rage, let them go to Belfast. If anyone thinks that quiet in the streets translates to political reconciliation, let them go to Belfast. If anyone needs a lesson in the harsh truth that you cannot remake a society by violence except at an unimaginable cost, let them go to Belfast. If anyone thinks that having reduced the bombings in Baghdad to an acceptable level means you have all but achieved a working democracy in raq, look at the history of the conflict in Ireland and think again.

  20. The more that is revealed about this danger the more incredulious I get.

    Who does this guy think he is to run for President in MY country? My country is the opposite of every detestable thing he stands for.

  21. I saw a video on YouTube

    There are movies produced looks very childish and funny some time wondering how on earth these move makers, actors do these rubbish?

    But looks there are some so childish and fool take them abroad here. So no wonder then those moves produced then and after spooling some fools.

  22. “Eventually, we will all hate Obama too”

    Often those who express their tiresome anti-Americanism will suggest, as do some of the more disingenuous anti-Zionists with regard to anti-Semitism – that they, of course, are not anti-American, and that no one really is. But, coming as I do from an Anti-American tradition that wasn’t afraid to proclaim itself, I think I know where the corpses are interred. For example, the current production of Bernstein’s Candide at the English National Opera is a classic of elite anti-Americanism, in which we are invited to laugh at the philistine invocation of “Democracy, the American Way and McDonald’s”. The laughter that accompanied this feeble satire showed our proper understanding that we, the audience, had a proper concept of democracy, and would never soil ourselves with an Egg McMuffin

  23. To a modern liberal, all historical hindsight does is self evidently reveal humanity to be 180 degrees out of phase with what COULD HAVE produced utopia on Earth.

    So the percieved alternative to the reality of 4,000 soldiers dying, is never 40,000 soldiers dying. Only that the utopian number of zero was at our fingertips if humanity would just listen.

  24. John Spragge: Is Belfast better off today than it was, say, 20 years ago? Think that just happened by itself?

    Is not the condition now in Iraq better than uncontrolled ethnic and sectarian violence?

    We do grasp that people harbor animosities against each other. What you need to grasp is that the cycle isnt going to end on its own without one side murdering off the other (and then maybe only after centuries of random violence). Since you do not put forth a viable alternative to what we’re doing, Im not seeing what lesson it is you presume to lecture us about.

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  26. A huge number of developments played a role in the development of peace in Northern Ireland, from the liberalization in the Irish Republic, to the clampdown on IRA fund raising in the United States. The generation of British soldiers who endured the burden of keeping some kind of limits on communal strife deserve their share of the credit.

    It seems unlikely that the American Army will get the opportunity to carry out the same role in Iraq over the same time period; the Iraqi government seems quite unwilling to accept a status of forces agreement which would permit a permanent occupation force. The Iraqi Prime Minister has called for a sixteen month timetable for withdrawing, and endorsed Senator Obama’s position pretty explicitly. I do not think you have any alternative but to hope the Iraqis make a go of it.

  27. I was wondering how any candidate could make written speeches with so many errors. One can see his problem with history by his off-the-cuff statements; but in a speech? Having 3 writers 30 or under speaks volumes ABOUT HIM for the reasons you put forth. Before I retires, as a manager I surrounded myself with people who were more knowledgeable than me in many areas and told them and my construction craft to challenge me. Yes, I told them, I had to make the final decisions, but if I was sand bagged, it was not just me that suffered.

  28. The Iraqi Prime Minister has called for a sixteen month timetable for withdrawing, and endorsed Senator Obama’s position pretty explicitly.

    No, no, he hasn’t. Maliki, unlike Obama, is a consumate politician. And he understands that should his regime fall, his likely “retirement” will not be to Najaf, writting “elder statesmen” books. So the US will have a presence in-country for a lot more than 16 months.

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