Obama betrayed the libertarian Obots with his FISA vote (but they quickly got over it, cuz he’s the Messiah), and Obama’s brand of national health insurance allows healthy young folks to opt out.

Well, I’d probably give you males, I might give you white, but there’s no way I agree the Obama supporters are libertarian. No libertarian worth his salt would support national health insurance or FISA.

Clintons don’t do history very well, and this next four years is going to be chock full of it.

Regardless of whether that’s true, I doubt Hillary would agree. In fact, if she is trying to unseat Obama, I bet she’s arguing that the situation in Georgia makes an Obama nomination more of risk for the Democrats. Hillary spent a lot of time and effort during the primaries convincing voters she was more C-in-C material than Obama was.

You know, the situation in Georgia also makes McCain’s recent ad – which ends with Hillary dismissing Obama’s experience as compared to McCain’s – very timely.

Hmmm.

No matter how many times I run that sentence through my Political Fortune Teller ™ device, the same answer comes up:

“Denver floor vote Hillary. Graceless Obama victory speech. Outraged humorless liberal white women.

Burning feces hurt cops broken windows. Paper machete doll heads pink.

*****

Hmmmm. But what does it all mean? Guess we’ll find out in Denver.

However – given what’s happening in Georgia right now, I have to believe that Hillary is probably going to decline the attempt at a floor vote.

Clintons don’t do history very well, and this next four years is going to be chock full of it.

Do not underestimate the number of Democratic women–and men–who will sit this one out, or vote for McCain in the swing states. Lifelong Democrats understand that the Obama “movement” is an attempted hijacking of the Democratic Party. Race is a smokescreen, as it was intended to be. The hostile takeover is by libertarian white males. At this point, the best way for Democrats to get rid of Obama is to let the nomination go forward and then to work for his defeat in the general election. With luck, Obama won’t even be sent back to the U.S. Senate in 2010.

Ah, well, that’s our point of disagreement. I don’t think that scenario is as likely as you do. It’s been 40 years since the inner cities exploded over political issues (assuming we can refer to King’s assassination that way) and I’m truly hoping we’re past that point. Outrage if Obama doesn’t get the nomination, yes; riots, no.

I don’t think we’re going to find out, though, at least as far as the nomination goes. As huxley says, unless Obama totally melts down the nomination is his and – at least under the insane rules of the Democratic party – rightfully so. There is a chance, though, that we may find out what happens if Obama loses in November.

(I keep having this vision in my head of angry Hillary supporters exploding after Denver and ransacking the malls stealing Jimmy Choos.)

Looks that way to me. No doubt Hillary will play her hand as best she can to preserve her power and prospects in the party, but unless Obama utterly melts down–unlikely but not impossible–that deal is done.

the reports were an attack by insurgents first… and its not genocide… they called for a cease fire for civilians to leave…

the kicker though is that russia wouldnt let others in over the chechnya incident, claiming its internal to them. and yet, they dont do the same the other way around.

Ossetia is part of georgia, its claims to being separate were not recognized by anyone, not even russia.

if russia says its ok for ossetia to break away from georgia, then EVERY AREA THAT WISHES TO BREAK AWAY FROM RUSSIA MUST BE ALLOWED TO DO SO PEACEFULLY…

anything else is just hypocricial… and given the russians history, as denoted by their own archives and records, this was orchestrated. period.

if you like i can drill back through things and show that russia has never let this strategic land area alone.

cant have it both ways…
if osettia goes, then everyone wanting to leave the russian country has to be allowed to go.

if russia claims as it does on chechnya, and igushetia, then it cant get in the way of sovereignty.

which is it?

so far the death toll is not even 50% so crying genocide is not valid.

Without Russian help, Ossetins had zero chance counter this assault.

and with the help prevented by the russians chechnya has no chance…

so whats the point… all i see is heads i win tails you lose logic from russian leadership (not the people, they are impotent).

The only solution is withdrowal of Georgian troops that invaded the city last night. And do not believe a single word of Saakashvili: he is a habitual liar.

no… the only solution is for russia to withdraw and respect georgias borders, and break off this act of war. they had no right giving out passports to nationals of another country, then lay claim to them. they have no right to mount a counterstrike over territorial borders, and if it wants her borders to be respected, she has to respect other borders.

U.N. Secretary of State Richard Holbrooke gets it too: “They have two goals. To do a creeping annexation of South Ossetia and Abkhazia and, secondly, to overthrow Saakashvili, who is a tremendous thorn in their side.”

the other goal is to have troops in situe which keeps pressure to comply on the local states who fear similar manipulations. like giving out passports.

russia opposes sanctions against iran, but charges over boarders at whim when it suits her.

note that many occupied countries, had russians force migrated to them so that such incidents like this would be able to play out. thats how far they pre thought all this. each previously occupied country ended up with an innoculation of people, and now they are a source of destabilization in each of these countries. they also are a pool of people who can be affected and are often used (even here in the US).

i do agree that the way this started was really stupid, but that doesnt mean that the rules go south, and russia gets to pick and choose which ones it follows when its convenient for her.

this isnt just the result of something that happened the past few years, its the result of practices put in place in the last century as a matter of policy.

saakashvili was probably very wrong with his actions… he was hamfisted and heavy handed.

they orchestrate history, not react to history…

it serves a lot of purposes in tactical outcomes in favor of russia and iran. ultimately this is why it happened, and i wouldnt be surprised if saakashvili is doing his part for russia. its possible given other things dont in history. including the overwhelming desire to control both sides of an issue to control outcomes.

we shall see what will happen, but ultimately the reason is to keep that land bridge open. its critical that they do this. its critical that they also press the global warming thing so that the US doesnt put crude into the market and drive the market price down as others are forced to follow.

right now there is a lot of work at stake in the middle east and in africa and ultimately russia is desperate to not allow them to get better. and sell their resources on the open market driving down prices.

its going to get a lot hotter before it gets better.

That would not only cost them this election, but a lot of future support both from blacks – for stabbing Obama in the back, as they would see it – and from whites, for whom the whole fiasco from primary through convention to riots would leave a very bad taste in their mouths. It could result in the Democratic Party going the way of the Whigs.

And that scenario is practically a given if Obama doesn’t get the nomination. Their only way forward is to give Obama the nomination and take their medicine.

I wasn’t thinking of the politicians or of opportunists who – whatever their race – seize upon any excuse – election, hurricane, or sports victory – to engage in criminal behavior. I was thinking of voters.