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		<title>By: Darrell</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/01/vetting-palin/#comment-83928</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 03:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary, &quot;Sorry-what’s the downside here?&quot; The downside is how to pay for it all, his own words:
We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we&#039;ve set. We&#039;ve got to have a civilian national security force that&#039;s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.&quot;

As well funded as the military, where is he gong to get this money? He has proposed billions in new spending and no way to pay for it, other than to tax the rich.

The stats you raise about the growth of govt miss the point of the revenues received, I didn&#039;t say they didn&#039;t spend it, just that tax cuts bring increased revenue, it is a  proven fact and the fact can be found at the CBO website, the data also shows how big a hit we took after Sept 11th
2003
	
1,782.5	
 
2004
	
1,880.3	
 
2005
	
2,153.9	

2006
	
2,407.3	
 
2007
	
2,568.2

2008?

The bottom 50% of income earners only pay 3.1% of federal tax revenues today. The top 10% pays 70%
http://www.heritage.org/research/features/BudgetChartBook/fed-rev-spend-2008-boc-T4-The-Top-10-Percent-of-Income.html

Spending is out of control and only one candidate has railed against spending and it aint Obama, the economy isn&#039;t in shambles now but it is fragile, it will tank very easily if the wrong policies are enacted, Obama promises the world but I see no way he can deliver without seriously damaging our country. 
Thanks also for dismissing Military service as a college program, it is well understood many democrats look on the military with disdain and contempt. We will be a major target for Obama as he looks for ways to pay for his promises, it wont be pretty and it will endanger our country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, &#8220;Sorry-what’s the downside here?&#8221; The downside is how to pay for it all, his own words:<br />
We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we&#8217;ve set. We&#8217;ve got to have a civilian national security force that&#8217;s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.&#8221;</p>
<p>As well funded as the military, where is he gong to get this money? He has proposed billions in new spending and no way to pay for it, other than to tax the rich.</p>
<p>The stats you raise about the growth of govt miss the point of the revenues received, I didn&#8217;t say they didn&#8217;t spend it, just that tax cuts bring increased revenue, it is a  proven fact and the fact can be found at the CBO website, the data also shows how big a hit we took after Sept 11th<br />
2003</p>
<p>1,782.5	</p>
<p>2004</p>
<p>1,880.3	</p>
<p>2005</p>
<p>2,153.9	</p>
<p>2006</p>
<p>2,407.3	</p>
<p>2007</p>
<p>2,568.2</p>
<p>2008?</p>
<p>The bottom 50% of income earners only pay 3.1% of federal tax revenues today. The top 10% pays 70%<br />
<a href="http://www.heritage.org/research/features/BudgetChartBook/fed-rev-spend-2008-boc-T4-The-Top-10-Percent-of-Income.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.heritage.org/research/features/BudgetChartBook/fed-rev-spend-2008-boc-T4-The-Top-10-Percent-of-Income.html</a></p>
<p>Spending is out of control and only one candidate has railed against spending and it aint Obama, the economy isn&#8217;t in shambles now but it is fragile, it will tank very easily if the wrong policies are enacted, Obama promises the world but I see no way he can deliver without seriously damaging our country.<br />
Thanks also for dismissing Military service as a college program, it is well understood many democrats look on the military with disdain and contempt. We will be a major target for Obama as he looks for ways to pay for his promises, it wont be pretty and it will endanger our country.</p>
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		<title>By: harry McHitlerburtonstein the Conservative Extremist</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/01/vetting-palin/#comment-83882</link>
		<dc:creator>harry McHitlerburtonstein the Conservative Extremist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;Remember Ronald Reagan and his mean-spirited anecdotes about welfare queens in the eighties? &quot;&lt;/i&gt;

No.  Actually, I dont remember that at all.  Can you provide those quotes or would you like to admit now that you were (and are) engaging in the usual liberal hyperbole?

I understand that liberals love to fantasize that the Republicans are run by &quot;ultra-right&quot; super-religious mean-spirited evangelist Christians bent upon converting the USA into a theocracy, but you gotta move beyond that Nick, and recognize that it simply isnt true.

As for your contention that &quot;welfare queens&quot; were simply a mean spirited invention of Ronald Reagan, your own admission that Clinton stepped in signing legislation designed to curb those very same abuses to the system gives lie to your own conviction on whether or not welfare queens were imaginary.

As too the mean-spiritedness, the recent attacks upon Palin is yet more evidence that no one does mean-spiritedness like the ever-so tolerant liberal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick:<br />
<i>&#8220;Remember Ronald Reagan and his mean-spirited anecdotes about welfare queens in the eighties? &#8220;</i></p>
<p>No.  Actually, I dont remember that at all.  Can you provide those quotes or would you like to admit now that you were (and are) engaging in the usual liberal hyperbole?</p>
<p>I understand that liberals love to fantasize that the Republicans are run by &#8220;ultra-right&#8221; super-religious mean-spirited evangelist Christians bent upon converting the USA into a theocracy, but you gotta move beyond that Nick, and recognize that it simply isnt true.</p>
<p>As for your contention that &#8220;welfare queens&#8221; were simply a mean spirited invention of Ronald Reagan, your own admission that Clinton stepped in signing legislation designed to curb those very same abuses to the system gives lie to your own conviction on whether or not welfare queens were imaginary.</p>
<p>As too the mean-spiritedness, the recent attacks upon Palin is yet more evidence that no one does mean-spiritedness like the ever-so tolerant liberal.</p>
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		<title>By: Assistant Village Idiot</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/01/vetting-palin/#comment-83878</link>
		<dc:creator>Assistant Village Idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TmjUtah - ouch.  Stop making us long-winded folks look bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TmjUtah &#8211; ouch.  Stop making us long-winded folks look bad.</p>
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		<title>By: TmjUtah</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/01/vetting-palin/#comment-83876</link>
		<dc:creator>TmjUtah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not vetted = not liked by Democrats.

There.  That&#039;s what this thread was about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not vetted = not liked by Democrats.</p>
<p>There.  That&#8217;s what this thread was about.</p>
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		<title>By: Assistant Village Idiot</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/01/vetting-palin/#comment-83863</link>
		<dc:creator>Assistant Village Idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answers are just too easy.  Nick, sorry to go all the way back to the top after your interesting later interchange, but I saw what was wrong with your argument first off: &quot;I think anyone with half a brain...&quot;  &quot;It&#039;s obvious...&quot; When people talk like that, it means they don&#039;t have reasons they can articulate, but they &quot;just know,&quot; with a more social than intellectual awareness, that their sort of people are going to think this way - and so they think it too.  When challenged, you keep changing the subject, except for coming back repeatedly to how uncaring Republicans are about po&#039; folk.  You are either going to hear this or you aren&#039;t but it needs to be said: your beliefs are emotional and nonlogical, as evidenced by your flapping around wildly with irrelevant insults.

kamper - similar.  You know she wasn&#039;t vetted - how?  There has been some disastrous deluge of one revelation after another?  Except that there hasn&#039;t.  There has been a lot of accusations made, but so far the only thing that has stuck has been something the Palins brought out on their own.  Maybe McCain is acting on feelings - it&#039;s just that you are in position to judge that.  Your froth leaks out and reveals you are not dispassionate.

MaryQ - I could find a lot to disagree with with you, but you are in an entirely different category.  You have reasons and data and look at others&#039; interpretations with some skepticism.  Please stick around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answers are just too easy.  Nick, sorry to go all the way back to the top after your interesting later interchange, but I saw what was wrong with your argument first off: &#8220;I think anyone with half a brain&#8230;&#8221;  &#8220;It&#8217;s obvious&#8230;&#8221; When people talk like that, it means they don&#8217;t have reasons they can articulate, but they &#8220;just know,&#8221; with a more social than intellectual awareness, that their sort of people are going to think this way &#8211; and so they think it too.  When challenged, you keep changing the subject, except for coming back repeatedly to how uncaring Republicans are about po&#8217; folk.  You are either going to hear this or you aren&#8217;t but it needs to be said: your beliefs are emotional and nonlogical, as evidenced by your flapping around wildly with irrelevant insults.</p>
<p>kamper &#8211; similar.  You know she wasn&#8217;t vetted &#8211; how?  There has been some disastrous deluge of one revelation after another?  Except that there hasn&#8217;t.  There has been a lot of accusations made, but so far the only thing that has stuck has been something the Palins brought out on their own.  Maybe McCain is acting on feelings &#8211; it&#8217;s just that you are in position to judge that.  Your froth leaks out and reveals you are not dispassionate.</p>
<p>MaryQ &#8211; I could find a lot to disagree with with you, but you are in an entirely different category.  You have reasons and data and look at others&#8217; interpretations with some skepticism.  Please stick around.</p>
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		<title>By: kamper</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/01/vetting-palin/#comment-83858</link>
		<dc:creator>kamper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DonS if they had vetted and knew all of this stuff, why weren&#039;t they prepared to respond? What happened to message control? Don&#039;t you still have Queen Rove on your side? And if they vetted why is there a vetting team up there NOW? 

And further - why all the secrecy surrounding her announcement in the first place? Why not let it be known that she was being considered along with Romney et al. Then perhaps some of these revelations could have been worked out beforehand. It&#039;s clear this was a gimmicky choice designed for shock value alone. Gimmicks are good for product rollouts, not so great for VPs.  

Yes, neo, there is no one without skeletons (or polar bears and brothers in law, in this case) in their closet, but that is why you vet - so that you know what is coming and are prepared to respond. Republicans are supposed to be good at this kind of thing -- as opposed to, you know, actually governing. 

Prediction: She will not be on the ticket come Nov.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DonS if they had vetted and knew all of this stuff, why weren&#8217;t they prepared to respond? What happened to message control? Don&#8217;t you still have Queen Rove on your side? And if they vetted why is there a vetting team up there NOW? </p>
<p>And further &#8211; why all the secrecy surrounding her announcement in the first place? Why not let it be known that she was being considered along with Romney et al. Then perhaps some of these revelations could have been worked out beforehand. It&#8217;s clear this was a gimmicky choice designed for shock value alone. Gimmicks are good for product rollouts, not so great for VPs.  </p>
<p>Yes, neo, there is no one without skeletons (or polar bears and brothers in law, in this case) in their closet, but that is why you vet &#8211; so that you know what is coming and are prepared to respond. Republicans are supposed to be good at this kind of thing &#8212; as opposed to, you know, actually governing. </p>
<p>Prediction: She will not be on the ticket come Nov.</p>
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		<title>By: neo-neocon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/01/vetting-palin/#comment-83842</link>
		<dc:creator>neo-neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no person on earth who doesn&#039;t have something in his/her background like the sort of things the Left is digging up for Palin as evidence of her huge crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no person on earth who doesn&#8217;t have something in his/her background like the sort of things the Left is digging up for Palin as evidence of her huge crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: DonS</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/01/vetting-palin/#comment-83839</link>
		<dc:creator>DonS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;She wasn’t adequately vetted, simple as that. How do I know? Because if she had been vetted, the campaign would not have allowed this disastrous deluge of one damning revelation after another.&lt;/i&gt;

She was vetted. They didn&#039;t discover anything bad. Just like you and the DKos types haven&#039;t. 

The left is . . . insane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>She wasn’t adequately vetted, simple as that. How do I know? Because if she had been vetted, the campaign would not have allowed this disastrous deluge of one damning revelation after another.</i></p>
<p>She was vetted. They didn&#8217;t discover anything bad. Just like you and the DKos types haven&#8217;t. </p>
<p>The left is . . . insane.</p>
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		<title>By: DonS</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/01/vetting-palin/#comment-83837</link>
		<dc:creator>DonS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Remember Ronald Reagan and his mean-spirited anecdotes about welfare queens in the eighties? Now that the shoe is on the other foot so to speak, this whole situation is met with sympathy and excuses. You won’t hear any talk about illegitimacy now.&lt;/i&gt;

So, is Palin&#039;s daughter going to be a welfare queen? Sounds like she is getting married and will have plenty of family support.

Once upon a time, most American women were pregnant when they married, mostly in their late teens. It wasn&#039;t an issue, since they got married, and went on to create productive families. 

Meinwhile, the left supports a candidate with little experience, no executive experience, no accomplishmeants, and radical leftist/terrorist associates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Remember Ronald Reagan and his mean-spirited anecdotes about welfare queens in the eighties? Now that the shoe is on the other foot so to speak, this whole situation is met with sympathy and excuses. You won’t hear any talk about illegitimacy now.</i></p>
<p>So, is Palin&#8217;s daughter going to be a welfare queen? Sounds like she is getting married and will have plenty of family support.</p>
<p>Once upon a time, most American women were pregnant when they married, mostly in their late teens. It wasn&#8217;t an issue, since they got married, and went on to create productive families. </p>
<p>Meinwhile, the left supports a candidate with little experience, no executive experience, no accomplishmeants, and radical leftist/terrorist associates.</p>
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		<title>By: FredHjr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/01/vetting-palin/#comment-83834</link>
		<dc:creator>FredHjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile, Biden&#039;s son is involved in a fraud case in the hedge fund industry.  MSM nowhere to be found on that one.

Aren&#039;t double standards being applied to Sarah Palin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, Biden&#8217;s son is involved in a fraud case in the hedge fund industry.  MSM nowhere to be found on that one.</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t double standards being applied to Sarah Palin?</p>
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