Naturally I’m biased. (Does it show?) But Obama’s speech left me cold and with the sense that Obama was “running against” rather than “running for“; McCain’s, in spite of his less-effective delivery, made me feel glad to have the right to vote and glad (to my surprise, since I wasn’t a big fan of his in primary season) to have the chance to vote for McCain.

To be fair, I kinda agree with Kungfu and I certainly do not intend that to be a slam. I rarely pay attention to names on posts (I find it causes quite a bit of pre-judgement and I would rather read it otherwise) so I do not know if this person would normally mean it as a slam or not.

I don’t think McCain was *that* awkward – Dole certainly was. I don’t know how much I agree that this influenced the election very much – both Dole and Bush Sr. ran some bad campaigns that seemed to just assume that they would win.

However I do VERY strongly agree with “Clinton beat two war heroes on what? Youth and speaking skills? I’m just seeing a rerun here. Sorry.”. Clinton had, and still has, nothing outside of his speaking skills (he no longer has youth). Of course he didn’t really *do* anything either so I guess that wasn’t that big a deal.

Are we seeing a rerun? At least on the lefts side I agree, though Obama is no where near the speaker Clinton was/is. I don’t think so on the right – McCain is running a different campaign and Palin changes things quite a bit. Amusingly enough the Obama camp not only allowed that comparison to be made but helped it along – they have a hard rode ahead of them now to convince people it is not McCain/Palin as a whole vs Obama with just himself. I can assure you that Clinton would have *never* made that mistake.

I can understand the joy of black people, in seeing one of their own being considered for this high office. I just wish they’d put that trust in someone with better experience or character. It’s one thing to say that you want to bring about change. The problem is that the only way to make that change happen is to work with people that you disagree with. And that is why McCain will be elected. It may not be popular with the Republicans, but he has proven that he will work with anyone to get the job done.

Yeah, serving your country can be hell on you physically: my knees are shot and I’ve had surgery on my legs to strip out veins. I look like hell in shorts now…. Crap, I’m only 40….

Bob Dole got shot up in a pivotal battle of WWII. Lots of young guys out there are in worse shape….

McCain could have stayed pretty like Biden if he had taken 5 deferments out of Vietnam and gotten some chia-pet hair.

Having never served your country, or anything greater than your own appetites, I imagine you are still in wonderful shape….

Are you familiar with the old story, the princess and the pea? Well that’s pretty much what you sound like, the princess who has had it so easy, that a pea under 30 mattresses can spoil her sleep as she is so sensitive having never actually experienced real hardship. Younglings like you tend to think that turning the childhood that was better than most childhoods in history, into some horror for status, is actually living hardship.

I had this long post but I deleted it. there is so much to teach nick that it would take so long that everyone would hate me.

I will instead just skip to something. results

I orignallly brought up the war in iraq, and I know that nick thinks that the ending of the war in Vietnam was good. as he would love to have us never in iraq, or run away, just as in Vietnam.

I had paragraphs from a document on the practices at the Hanoi Hilton, but realized that in nicks life, those things are made up horrors from mocies and cant be real.

Nick doestn really know real horrors, and that is evident in that he can equate disparate things as being similar. There was nothing in the past 8 years that reflected any of the horrors of the past 100. however, nick cant see that or understand that.

Whats worse is that nick and his ilk are the instigators of a lot of that misery.

I will just leave you an example nick and then ask what your real values are.

Are your values that the horrors that man does to man should stop? (I presume yes).

Are your values that as long as its not you doing the horrors, you don’t care what others do to other people? (you would say no, but your actions say yes).

Nick certainly knows how to blindly run to a political system that has accomplished the worst mass horrors in the entire history of mankind, but he doesn’t pay at all attention to those who lived it and were willing to die to get away from it, or even to never experience it.

As a guard said at Hanoi Hilton: “Dying is easy, we will show you how hard it is to live”

You want us to pull out of iraq, as we did in Vietnam. Which means that you think that pulling out of Vietnam was the right thing. why?

Remember my two questions above. if someone was beating on someone and killing someone, do you interfere with that? if a state intends to do that to thousands of people or is already doing that, do you walk away?

Well, you guys walked away. all you cared about was some kind of statement that ended up being meaningless other than as an example that if you push hard enough you can make America hurt itself, and abandon others to murder, torture, starvation, and so forth. even worse, you abandon the average person to that.

Do you remember the Vietnamese boat people?

Well after we left, the communists swarmed in. you know, the people who have the same kind of government your working to have!!! 1 million people were then imprisoned without any formal charges (why does that no bother you?). 200,000 were sent to re-education camps (gulags).

I want you to take a good hard look at this photo:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Boat_people_family.gif

the woman and the three kids, abandoned by the US government to the communists, got on a boat and tried to sail away to some other place. yes, she knew what was coming more than you do, and so she left. she was rescued by an American navy ship.

Thousands more died at sea…
Here is another boat person you don’t care about:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vietnamkrieg_Bootsfl%C3%BCchtling_1980.jpg

But the REAL HORRORS didn’t stop there… no.. the Vietnamese then ran into Cambodia. America having just pulled out of Vietnam and gave up on protecting people like that woman and children above, couldn’t protect the Cambodians. After all, once we left, they were free to do what they want.

That resulted in Cambodian boat people….

But even worse… the American left, but removing the forces, are directly responsible for the khmer rouges killing fields. Just as the actions of America in wwii meant that many more jews would tno be exterminated, the abandoning protecting the weaker people meant that there was no one to stop the racist deaths that would come as the Cambodians exterminated the Chinese (till the communist military came in).

countries that accepted most of the Vietnamese refugees were:
• United States – 823,000
• Australia and Canada – 137,000 each
• France – 96,000
• Germany and UK – 19,000 each

50,000 americans died in Vietnam, and we got a million people to replace them from what happned after.

These are people displaced from homes that made it to a nice place. more than 4 million died of various reasons spanning torture, worked to death, murder, dying at sea, and even evidence that some were used as science experiments.

And the killing fields… do you know about them? probably not much, or something revisionist.

At least 200,000 people were executed by the Khmer Rouge[1] (while estimates of the total number of deaths resulting from Khmer Rouge policies, including disease and starvation, range from 1.4 to 2.2 million out of a population of around 7 million).

Look aroudn you… now imagine that one third to one half of everyone you see were murdered within 4 years by the government. a leftist collectivist governmetn like your working to create here thinking they are so nice. never asking yourself, what do you lose if your wrong.

I wonder if you would have survived… do you wear glasses? Can you read? Did you go at all to college?

Did you ever do something for money? Mowing a lawn, babysitting, etc? well you would have been forced to confess your crimes against socialism, and communism, and perhaps be worked to death.

The executed were buried in mass graves. In order to save ammunition, the executions were often carried out using hammers, axe handles, spades or sharpened bamboo sticks. Some victims were required to dig their own graves; their weakness often meant that they were unable to dig very deep. The soldiers who carried out the executions were mostly young men or women from peasant families.

Here is a photo of childrens bones from those who were killed..
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Killing_fields_bones.jpg

you see, even if you didn’t meat any of those things above, if either of your parents did, you got wasted too.

the thing is that your so sure of what you think you know, you are going to help create hell on earth. as every utopian thing has ever become. You think the US is bad, but I will say something about that.

russia built a wall between east and west germany… and people risked their lives to get over it to get out. they went to extremes. Through the sewers, jumping off of buildings, even soldiers running for the fence, hang gliding and a hot air balloon.

America is building a wall too, except everyone wants to climb it to get in.

Everyone except idiots like nick that think its so bad, but not bad enough to leave to a country that already practices what he wants.

I would suggest that nick first go live in venezuela, that way he can see how things change once the kinds of people he likes gets the power that they crave.

People are being rationed food now… and children are starving and malnourished as never before… its becoming much like the soviet union, and cuba.

Anyway.. nick will not realize that he is the enemy of the party he supports.

He thinks he will get more by siding with them, but in every case, under socialism, we all get less and less and less till we are all in poverty… except the state people.. they get to live like middle class americans do now.

He and others will have to find out the hard way… I hope that that’s after I die of old age as my family has experienced these people first hand over several generations.

And when the reset comes I am hoping it will be no worse than the Great Depression, but alas I suspect that it will.

A friend of mine once told me that change does not happen until the pain becomes great enough…a truth I have experienced this truth in my personal life.

I believe that a really big change is coming in the not-to-distant future.

Delicious.

Speaking of fashion: As for Cindy McCain’s earrings and general appearance, Cindy McCain may have done more for humanity as a private citizen this year alone than those earrings. I say she’s earned them. Think what she will be able to do when she can speak from the bully pulpit!

And, Nick, before you go there: Yes, Cindy McCain was broken, too. Pain will do that. I teared up last night to hear him say it, and the shame with which he said it. You will never understand why that makes me respect them even more. My vote is decided, and the pacifier wing of the American electorate can go hang.

Well we have [...] a guy who [...]actually writes his own speeches for a change.

Son, Obama’s speeches are written by Ja team of speechwriters, headed by Jon Favreau.

But in cognizance of your intellectual gifts, we’ve set aside Wednesday, November 5, for you to avoid the lines when you cast your ballot.