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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/11/seven-years/#comment-85320</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conquerors of old needed money to pay their armies and mercenaries. Can&#039;t hold villages hostage without weapons and money buys weapons, not promises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conquerors of old needed money to pay their armies and mercenaries. Can&#8217;t hold villages hostage without weapons and money buys weapons, not promises.</p>
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		<title>By: njcommuter</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/11/seven-years/#comment-85242</link>
		<dc:creator>njcommuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 08:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure they can.  They can loot and pillage, just like the conquerors of old.  They can hold villages hostage; they can murder for their daily bread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure they can.  They can loot and pillage, just like the conquerors of old.  They can hold villages hostage; they can murder for their daily bread.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/11/seven-years/#comment-85160</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even guerrillas, insurgents, and revolutionaries need to eat. They can&#039;t do anything without money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even guerrillas, insurgents, and revolutionaries need to eat. They can&#8217;t do anything without money.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/11/seven-years/#comment-85159</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Communism may not have come exclusively from Soviet Russia, but it was Soviet Russia that had the funds and used it to spread that view across the world for decades on end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Communism may not have come exclusively from Soviet Russia, but it was Soviet Russia that had the funds and used it to spread that view across the world for decades on end.</p>
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		<title>By: Sergey</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/11/seven-years/#comment-85123</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing new or &quot;progressive&quot; in socialist utopia. It is very old and reactionary and sends us directly to Late Paleolith, to cavemens, to the epoch before private property or even notion of privacy arose. Ancient Egypt was very socialistic. Plato&#039;s &quot;Republic&quot; was the first known socialist utopia. Like original sin, utopism run in our veins, and can became in vogue everywhere and in any time. Pastor John and his &quot;People Temple&quot; - remember him? - was a communist, who hardly ever heard about Marx or Soviet Union: he found it in the Bible. Communist heresies rolled across Europe in 14 century! This simply silly to see Russian influence in every outbreak of this mental epidemic which can infect any weak social organism which does not properly defends its basic cultural heritage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing new or &#8220;progressive&#8221; in socialist utopia. It is very old and reactionary and sends us directly to Late Paleolith, to cavemens, to the epoch before private property or even notion of privacy arose. Ancient Egypt was very socialistic. Plato&#8217;s &#8220;Republic&#8221; was the first known socialist utopia. Like original sin, utopism run in our veins, and can became in vogue everywhere and in any time. Pastor John and his &#8220;People Temple&#8221; &#8211; remember him? &#8211; was a communist, who hardly ever heard about Marx or Soviet Union: he found it in the Bible. Communist heresies rolled across Europe in 14 century! This simply silly to see Russian influence in every outbreak of this mental epidemic which can infect any weak social organism which does not properly defends its basic cultural heritage.</p>
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		<title>By: Toes</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/11/seven-years/#comment-85046</link>
		<dc:creator>Toes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 05:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A true revolutionary of the Left, as you are, would not blink an eye at ravaging the nation with fire and sword to erase the foundations to pave the way for a better world.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s poetically expressed, Ymarsakar. You&#039;re mixing metaphor, but I like the proximity of &lt;i&gt;eye&lt;/i&gt; with &lt;i&gt;ravaging&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A true revolutionary of the Left, as you are, would not blink an eye at ravaging the nation with fire and sword to erase the foundations to pave the way for a better world.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s poetically expressed, Ymarsakar. You&#8217;re mixing metaphor, but I like the proximity of <i>eye</i> with <i>ravaging</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: strcpy</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/11/seven-years/#comment-85042</link>
		<dc:creator>strcpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the time the Bolsheviks took over it was going to happen *somewhere*. Russia would have *never* had the global influence it did if what Sergey said was not true - they were simply there to take advantage of it. While most were not believers they were not *non-believers* - they either didn&#039;t care or thought it sounded good.

All those countries that quickly fell were not initiated by Russia, they were already there and Russia just did what they needed to do to allow it to happen.

We need look no further than home - how far has one party come on the idea of &quot;fairly taxing the rich&quot;? How far has that party come by saying they want to federalize a large number of private industries to make things &quot;fair&quot;. How far has that party gone by talking about how the Rich are riding on the backs of the poor and taking what the poor should truly have. 

Go read Marx and it is *exactly* what he wrote, then go read those people he quotes and it is, again, *exactly* the same ideas. All that talk resonates within a large part of our electorate, yet if they simply replaced rich with bourgeoisie and poor with proletariat those same people would instantly realize it was marxist ideas being trotted out and rebel against them. Marx understood that making sound new and exciting would get rid of most of the dislike people had for the ideas and *that* was mostly all he did.

Sergey is correct, and all it took was to simply update the terms to one that normal Americans use and the same old class warefare is back complete with all the wedges being driven in the same places they have for hundreds, if not thousands of years. Just now it is &quot;progressive&quot; and will work (just as people thought it was this brand new shiny stuff called socialism and communism and would now work when Marx updated the language to his time)! It&#039;s never worked and never will, no matter how much one updates the terms to make it sound not like the old failed ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the time the Bolsheviks took over it was going to happen *somewhere*. Russia would have *never* had the global influence it did if what Sergey said was not true &#8211; they were simply there to take advantage of it. While most were not believers they were not *non-believers* &#8211; they either didn&#8217;t care or thought it sounded good.</p>
<p>All those countries that quickly fell were not initiated by Russia, they were already there and Russia just did what they needed to do to allow it to happen.</p>
<p>We need look no further than home &#8211; how far has one party come on the idea of &#8220;fairly taxing the rich&#8221;? How far has that party come by saying they want to federalize a large number of private industries to make things &#8220;fair&#8221;. How far has that party gone by talking about how the Rich are riding on the backs of the poor and taking what the poor should truly have. </p>
<p>Go read Marx and it is *exactly* what he wrote, then go read those people he quotes and it is, again, *exactly* the same ideas. All that talk resonates within a large part of our electorate, yet if they simply replaced rich with bourgeoisie and poor with proletariat those same people would instantly realize it was marxist ideas being trotted out and rebel against them. Marx understood that making sound new and exciting would get rid of most of the dislike people had for the ideas and *that* was mostly all he did.</p>
<p>Sergey is correct, and all it took was to simply update the terms to one that normal Americans use and the same old class warefare is back complete with all the wedges being driven in the same places they have for hundreds, if not thousands of years. Just now it is &#8220;progressive&#8221; and will work (just as people thought it was this brand new shiny stuff called socialism and communism and would now work when Marx updated the language to his time)! It&#8217;s never worked and never will, no matter how much one updates the terms to make it sound not like the old failed ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: TalkinKamel</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/11/seven-years/#comment-85036</link>
		<dc:creator>TalkinKamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Sergey, how do you know that Marxism would&#039;nt have been as popular as it is today, without the backing, financial and philosophical, of the Soviet state, which worked mightily to spread it around the world?  What proof do you have of this?  Other societies, including some in the United States, tried the socialist experiment, but it always petered out, and socialism, as a philosophy/political movement never really took off until the Soviets started using it as a tool of domination.  

Without the Bolsheviks, and their allies in the West, socialism/marxism might have fizzled out as an obviously unworkable idea (which it is); without Soviet propgaganda, their military, Soviet puppets like Castro and the army of dizinformatzioncheks, obedient to Moscow, Marxism might have quietly withered away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Sergey, how do you know that Marxism would&#8217;nt have been as popular as it is today, without the backing, financial and philosophical, of the Soviet state, which worked mightily to spread it around the world?  What proof do you have of this?  Other societies, including some in the United States, tried the socialist experiment, but it always petered out, and socialism, as a philosophy/political movement never really took off until the Soviets started using it as a tool of domination.  </p>
<p>Without the Bolsheviks, and their allies in the West, socialism/marxism might have fizzled out as an obviously unworkable idea (which it is); without Soviet propgaganda, their military, Soviet puppets like Castro and the army of dizinformatzioncheks, obedient to Moscow, Marxism might have quietly withered away.</p>
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		<title>By: TalkinKamel</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/11/seven-years/#comment-85035</link>
		<dc:creator>TalkinKamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean sheesh, even for dizinformatizion, that&#039;s pretty lame!

Dostoevsky might have dissected socialist ideas, but his dissection didn&#039;t do much to stop Lenin, Stalin or the KGB.  

(Ya know, I always thought that Thomas Mooore had kinda a shifty look in his eyes from his Holbein portrait!  Ayup, ayup, Moore invented socialism!  The 20th Century was his fault!  Who&#039;da thunk?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean sheesh, even for dizinformatizion, that&#8217;s pretty lame!</p>
<p>Dostoevsky might have dissected socialist ideas, but his dissection didn&#8217;t do much to stop Lenin, Stalin or the KGB.  </p>
<p>(Ya know, I always thought that Thomas Mooore had kinda a shifty look in his eyes from his Holbein portrait!  Ayup, ayup, Moore invented socialism!  The 20th Century was his fault!  Who&#8217;da thunk?)</p>
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		<title>By: TalkinKamel</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/11/seven-years/#comment-85034</link>
		<dc:creator>TalkinKamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Sergey, you&#039;re saying that the gulags, the Cold War, the Ukranian famine, the Soviet propaganda campaign against the US, its support of terrorist groups, such as the PLO, throughout the 20th Century and various other merry stuff was actually all the fault of France?   Oh yes, and Thomas Moore, and Campanella?  It was their fault!

Yah.  Right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Sergey, you&#8217;re saying that the gulags, the Cold War, the Ukranian famine, the Soviet propaganda campaign against the US, its support of terrorist groups, such as the PLO, throughout the 20th Century and various other merry stuff was actually all the fault of France?   Oh yes, and Thomas Moore, and Campanella?  It was their fault!</p>
<p>Yah.  Right.</p>
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